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For Nvidia 3D Vision. So far I'm using the projector mainly for stereoscopic 3D gaming on PC. The UHD 40 / 50 were one of the very few projectors supporting 1920x1080 @120 hz + 3D frame sequential mode. Would be a shame if the latest firmware had killed the best 3D format for the projector.

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- Frame packed format has full 1080p resolution but it's limited to 24hz. Playing games with just 24 fps is awful.
- With Side by Side and Top/Bottom you can play with 60 fps but lose half of the resolution per eye.
- 3D frame sequential has full 1080p resolution and 60 fps per eye. It combines the best of both worlds.

My Intel 4600GPU PC detects the UHD50 as 3D capable after the firmware upgrade, but I have no means of testing their capabilities. Setting the PC to 120hz/1080p still works, although you need really fast reflexes because the windows display resolution change timer only allows for 15secs and it takes about 12 seconds for the projector to reset to 120hz, so you only have about 3 secs to accept the new resolution. I wish there was a way to increase time allowed to accept the new resolution. The projector reports 1080P/120hz as 3D.

The Win10 Display settings screen gives the option of 1080P or 720P 3D resolutions.
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Tried 3D gaming a few years ago, but my 1080p could not handle sequential more than 720p. What other projectors are compatible?
Not sure what the user base for this kind of application is, but I don't think it's very large, especially since Nvidia dropped 3D support.

Have you been able to load 3D into new drivers after 425.31?
Yeah helix community found all hacks required to make latest windows 10 + latest geforce drivers fit again for stereo 3d. Yes the user base is pretty small. I guess only about 2000-3000 people left on this planet playing in glorious 3d.

Afaik only Optoma hd29h also supports 1080p 120hz 3d vision. Maybe the name is different in America - hd27hdr or so.
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Yeah helix community found all hacks required to make latest windows 10 + latest geforce drivers fit again for stereo 3d. Yes the user base is pretty small. I guess only about 2000-3000 people left on this planet playing in glorious 3d.

Afaik only Optoma hd29h also supports 1080p 120hz 3d vision. Maybe the name is different in America - hd27hdr or so.
Link to the how to load 3D into new drivers?
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My Intel 4600GPU PC detects the UHD50 as 3D capable after the firmware upgrade, but I have no means of testing their capabilities. Setting the PC to 120hz/1080p still works, although you need really fast reflexes because the windows display resolution change timer only allows for 15secs and it takes about 12 seconds for the projector to reset to 120hz, so you only have about 3 secs to accept the new resolution. I wish there was a way to increase time allowed to accept the new resolution. The projector reports 1080P/120hz as 3D.

The Win10 Display settings screen gives the option of 1080P or 720P 3D resolutions.
For the 15 seconds time out issue you can just accept the new resolution via keyboard. Just press left arrow key and then enter (at least this works for Nvidia graphics cards).

OK that's great that we can still select [email protected] So you can enable the 3d option then in osd? Are there any 3d related new osd options where you can choose between side by side, frame packed, frame sequential mode?
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Link to the how to load 3D into new drivers?
https://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtop...a6b4af#p169931

I'm currently working on 3d fix manager 1.75 which is still in beta. It brings back 3d with one click on latest win 10. Previous stable release 1.74 also brought 3d back, too but did not work for windows 10 1903 or higher yet.
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For the 15 seconds time out issue you can just accept the new resolution via keyboard. Just press left arrow key and then enter (at least this works for Nvidia graphics cards).

OK that's great that we can still select [email protected] So you can enable the 3d option then in osd? Are there any 3d related new osd options where you can choose between side by side, frame packed, frame sequential mode?
Thanks, but the left arrow/enter shortcut doesn't seem to work for my PC, but there might be other shortcuts that work.

I don't see any additional options in either the PC or the UHD50. My UB420 gives all three options that you listed, above.

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Edit: Getting out of Intel PC 1080p/120hz can be a trying experience. The resolution change timer kept preventing me from reverting to 2160P/30/29hz. Finally, i discovered that going into Display Adapter Properties, Intel Display adapter tab, that I could set the refresh rate to 29hz, which caused the UHD50 to quickly revert to 2160p/29hz and this gave me time to accept the change. This left the desktop at 1080p even though the video card was outputting 2160P (and upscaling). I was then able to go the Display Adapter Properties, Adapter tab and select 2160P (3840x2160/29hz) and that quickly reset the desktop resolution to 2160P so that I could accept the change.

Some of this stuff is not for the faint of heart.

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Has anyone had the "Fan Lock " error happen ? Its happened to mine maybe 3 times since buying it .... sames to run fine before and after the error shuts down the projector.... wondering if I should RMA it before the warranty is up in April ?
Hey, how did you solve this issue? I've just had exactly the same "fan lock" error and shutdown occur to my UHD40 (UHD50 in USA), and it's only just over a year old
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1080p at 120hz...

IT WORKS!!!

I discovered that it takes almost as long to switch into 120hz mode as the default setting for Win10 to time out if the select display resolution isn't valid. So, I only had about 5 secs to accept the change before Win10 would switch back to 4K/30hz.

The weird thing is that I haven't upgraded the firmware to allow BD ready 3D, but the menu->info screen states 120hz in 3D mode and all the other modes are greyed out in the image settings menu.
I'd love to get 120FPS on my UHD50. The 3D mode is grayed-out for me. Sounds like I need to update the projector.

If I want to game at 120FPS/1080P, would updating and turning on the 3D mode work? Or is the 120FPS image somehow modulated specifically for 3D? Apologies if that is a naive question and appreciate your help.
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I'd love to get 120FPS on my UHD50. The 3D mode is grayed-out for me. Sounds like I need to update the projector.

If I want to game at 120FPS/1080P, would updating and turning on the 3D mode work? Or is the 120FPS image somehow modulated specifically for 3D? Apologies if that is a naive question and appreciate your help.
If the projector is fed a 120hz/1080P signal it should switch to 1080P/120hz automatically, even without the firmware update. The projector menu-info screen will state 3D mode even though the image is not 3D.
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Another 3D Vision user here , just to confirm that the helixmod hacks work well with the latest version of windows 10.

I've changed my uhd40 bulb after around 2200 hours and wow was it dim! It's so much better now.

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If the projector is fed a 120hz/1080P signal it should switch to 1080P/120hz automatically, even without the firmware update. The projector menu-info screen will state 3D mode even though the image is not 3D.
Exactly, I wonder if the 3d on the menu is still enabled after the projector is fed a 120hz/1080p signal with the latest firmware.

Has anybody tried updating the uhd40 with the latest uhd50 firmware?
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Another 3D Vision user here , just to confirm that the helixmod hacks work well with the latest version of windows 10.

I've changed my uhd40 bulb after around 2200 hours and wow was it dim! It's so much better now.



Exactly, I wonder if the 3d on the menu is still enabled after the projector is fed a 120hz/1080p signal with the latest firmware.

Has anybody tried updating the uhd40 with the latest uhd50 firmware?
Are you using Dynamic Black?

Yes, it still states 3D in the menu after the firmware upgrade when fed a 120hz/1080p non-3D signal.
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Are you using Dynamic Black?

Yes, it still states 3D in the menu after the firmware upgrade when fed a 120hz/1080p non-3D signal.
Great stuff! Do you also mean you can still select/activate it?

No I'm not using it, dynamic black is basically setting the gamma levels ridiculously high which makes everything apart from games look terrible to me when it kicks in. I only use it for 3D games and yes I know that doesn't help with lamp life. I prefer a higher brightness setting instead.
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Great stuff! Do you also mean you can still select/activate it?

No I'm not using it, dynamic black is basically setting the gamma levels ridiculously high which makes everything apart from games look terrible to me when it kicks in. I only use it for 3D games and yes I know that doesn't help with lamp life. I prefer a higher brightness setting instead.
I haven't tried that.

I haven't noticed Dynamic Black altering the gamma substantially.

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Hi pauldusler. So have you upgraded your uhd 50 to the latest firmware? Is the frame sequential method still works? Are you able to turn on 3D on the projector?
What about uhd40? Can I use the uhd50 latest firmware to update my uhd40?
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Hi pauldusler. So have you upgraded your uhd 50 to the latest firmware? Is the frame sequential method still works? Are you able to turn on 3D on the projector?
What about uhd40? Can I use the uhd50 latest firmware to update my uhd40?
I have UHD 40 as well and haven't updated the firmware yet. Couldn't find the new firmware for UHD 40, only for UHD 50. So I won't take the risk for nothing as Side by Side / frame packing are inferior formats anyway. Only good for mainstream people who have a 3D bluray player and don't want to use their PC with their projector.

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Helloe. I'm wondering if uhd50 is the right one for me. I want 4K for movies primarily, some occasional gaming and sports. I will be sitting around 8-10 ft away. Projector distance will be about 10-12 ft away. Ideally screen size around 120-150 inches. I can control the lighting in the room and make it dark. The uhd50 seems to check those boxes. And at $1200 seems like a good budget 4k. How many hours is it supposed to last? How much are bulb replacement s? Are there any other variables I need to consider and question?
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Helloe. I'm wondering if uhd50 is the right one for me. I want 4K for movies primarily, some occasional gaming and sports. I will be sitting around 8-10 ft away. Projector distance will be about 10-12 ft away. Ideally screen size around 120-150 inches. I can control the lighting in the room and make it dark. The uhd50 seems to check those boxes. And at $1200 seems like a good budget 4k. How many hours is it supposed to last? How much are bulb replacement s? Are there any other variables I need to consider and question?
Where will the projector be mounted. maximum image size at 12ft will be ~137in.

The bulb is rated at 15000hrs in Dynamic Black mode. Actual life will depend on usage patterns (longer times on and fewer on-off cycles = long bulb life). I have about a 1000 hrs on mine in DB mode and don't notice any dimming.
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Helloe. I'm wondering if uhd50 is the right one for me. I want 4K for movies primarily, some occasional gaming and sports. I will be sitting around 8-10 ft away. Projector distance will be about 10-12 ft away. Ideally screen size around 120-150 inches. I can control the lighting in the room and make it dark. The uhd50 seems to check those boxes. And at $1200 seems like a good budget 4k. How many hours is it supposed to last? How much are bulb replacement s? Are there any other variables I need to consider and question?
Where will the projector be mounted. maximum image size at 12ft will be ~137in.

The bulb is rated at 15000hrs in Dynamic Black mode. Actual life will depend on usage patterns (longer times on and fewer on-off cycles = long bulb life). I have about a 1000 hrs on mine in DB mode and don't notice any dimming.
Will be close to the floor. I assume that will be ok position? Not going to ceiling mount. I hear that optima bulbs are relatively less expensive to replace. Are there other brand models I should consider or udh50 sounds like a good fit?

Edit: maybe zero to two ft high off the ground at most

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Will be close to the floor. I assume that will be ok position? Not going to ceiling mount. I hear that optima bulbs are relatively less expensive to replace. Are there other brand models I should consider or udh50 sounds like a good fit?

Edit: maybe zero to two ft high off the ground at most
I am very happy with my UHD50. I have it mounted on the bottom shelf of a coffee table at ~12ft 9in to give me a ~145in image. At that distance the bottom edge of the image is ~21in high.

You might look at the HT3550 and TK850.
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Will be close to the floor. I assume that will be ok position? Not going to ceiling mount. I hear that optima bulbs are relatively less expensive to replace. Are there other brand models I should consider or udh50 sounds like a good fit?

Edit: maybe zero to two ft high off the ground at most
I am very happy with my UHD50. I have it mounted on the bottom shelf of a coffee table at ~12ft 9in to give me a ~145in image. At that distance the bottom edge of the image is ~21in high.

You might look at the HT3550 and TK850.
Thx. So just from a brief glance those two BenQ have slightly shorter throw. But suck for even casual gaming due to high input lag. Any other major advantage or disadvantage over the udh50?
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Thx. So just from a brief glance those two BenQ have slightly shorter throw. But suck for even casual gaming due to high input lag. Any other major advantage or disadvantage over the udh50?
Not really. The high input lag is due to frame interpolation (which is an advantage for some content) and the HT3550 has a WCG filter, but the UHD50 is somewhat brighter.
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Thx. So just from a brief glance those two BenQ have slightly shorter throw. But suck for even casual gaming due to high input lag. Any other major advantage or disadvantage over the udh50?
Not really. The high input lag is due to frame interpolation (which is an advantage for some content) and the HT3550 has a WCG filter, but the UHD50 is somewhat brighter.
Hmmm tough choice. Don't know if it's worth paying 300-500 more for the BenQs just for a few more inches on screen. Maybe I'll pray the benqs go on sale
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Helloe. I'm wondering if uhd50 is the right one for me. I want 4K for movies primarily, some occasional gaming and sports. I will be sitting around 8-10 ft away. Projector distance will be about 10-12 ft away. Ideally screen size around 120-150 inches. I can control the lighting in the room and make it dark. The uhd50 seems to check those boxes. And at $1200 seems like a good budget 4k. How many hours is it supposed to last? How much are bulb replacement s? Are there any other variables I need to consider and question?
Choose a screen size after you've had the projector for a while. From 8-10' seating distance the general consensus is no more than 120".

I've already had this conversation on the thread several times. These are not movie projectors, they are sports/gaming for use in living rooms /with some ambient light models that sacrifice color and black level for brightness.

Priority should be picture quality, not 4K, laser, or whatever other new tech. In terms of picture quality, resolution is not a primary requirement. Contrast and black level, for starters. Of course some people are happy with these low contrast DLPs.

With any projector wall reflections will affect contrast:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/

So the first step is to treat the room.

As to what projectors you should buy, in North America there is a great deal on a refurb 5040UB. It does have a 10GB HDMI bandwidth limitation. You can read about that if you want. It's 4K, has good blacks, is bright, mid 20ms lag. Motion handling not as good as DLP, but they are widely used for gaming.

Other options in 1080p would be used from Sony and JVC.

From the DLP space, the HT3550 would be best option, with lag ~50ms. Not recommended for screens over 130", but there are people that do use them with higher screens.

In untreated rooms and or with projectors with poor contrast different types of screens can be used. For ALR ideally a larger throw is required, over 1.7x, so this eliminates a lot of projectors. Paint mixes or grey screen are other options.
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Choose a screen size after you've had the projector for a while. From 8-10' seating distance the general consensus is no more than 120".

I've already had this conversation on the thread several times. These are not movie projectors, they are sports/gaming for use in living rooms /with some ambient light models that sacrifice color and black level for brightness.

Priority should be picture quality, not 4K, laser, or whatever other new tech. In terms of picture quality, resolution is not a primary requirement. Contrast and black level, for starters. Of course some people are happy with these low contrast DLPs.

With any projector wall reflections will affect contrast:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/

So the first step is to treat the room.

As to what projectors you should buy, in North America there is a great deal on a refurb 5040UB. It does have a 10GB HDMI bandwidth limitation. You can read about that if you want. It's 4K, has good blacks, is bright, mid 20ms lag. Motion handling not as good as DLP, but they are widely used for gaming.

Other options in 1080p would be used from Sony and JVC.

From the DLP space, the HT3550 would be best option, with lag ~50ms. Not recommended for screens over 130", but there are people that do use them with higher screens.

In untreated rooms and or with projectors with poor contrast different types of screens can be used. For ALR ideally a larger throw is required, over 1.7x, so this eliminates a lot of projectors. Paint mixes or grey screen are other options.
The HC5040 is not 4K.

4K is a priority for some people including me, and the UHD50 does extremely well in terms of resolution, colour and contrast on my 145in grey screen.

A 137in image from 8-10ft viewing distance is perfectly fine, and from 8ft 4K can really be appreciated:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
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The HC5040 is not 4K.

4K is a priority for some people including me, and the UHD50 does extremely well in terms of resolution, colour and contrast on my 145in grey screen.

A 137in image from 8-10ft viewing distance is perfectly fine, and from 8ft 4K can really be appreciated:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
The 5040UB is 4K. Not 8 million pixels, but 4K. There is variation on how sharpness is perceived between users.
There is more to 4K video than resolution.

Let me put it this way. If you were to put the average person in front two projectors from a reasonable distance, one 4K DLP with typical contrast, and a medium contrast like an Epson UB series or even 1080p Sony like the HW40 or HW65, which one do you think they will choose?

I bet that even in an untreated room the UB and HW series will win decisively. Which is why these products are priced higher vs. DLP. The 5040UB refurb will provide a superior image to these low end DLPs for most people. The issues are with bandwidth limitation and HDR which some users may not want to deal in solving. But if they are solved, the result is worth it.

You can claim that you're satisfied with the UHD50, but objectively it does not do extremely well in terms of contrast, even color *extremely. Contrast is the number one factor IMO. This is the primary deficiency of these low end DLPs. Most people can't really tell HDR vs. SDR and contrast difference would be much more noticeable and appreciated.
In cases like your setup, what is the point of a large screen with higher resolution if it's washed out?

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Hey guys I’m trying the UHD 3D upgrade and I’ve completed the 2 first steps fine

With the 3rd step I’m not able to get the green LED thing to flash
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Is this common for anyone else? How do I then proceed with this thing?

The instructions say two of the LED would flash green then you press menu but this step just isn’t working

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The 5040UB is 4K. Not 8 million pixels, but 4K. There is variation on how sharpness is perceived between users.
There is more to 4K video than resolution.

Let me put it this way. If you were to put the average person in front two projectors from a reasonable distance, one 4K DLP with typical contrast, and a medium contrast like an Epson UB series or even 1080p Sony like the HW40 or HW65, which one do you think they will choose?

I bet that even in an untreated room the UB and HW series will win decisively. Which is why these products are priced higher vs. DLP. The 5040UB refurb will provide a superior image to these low end DLPs for most people. The issues are with bandwidth limitation and HDR which some users may not want to deal in solving. But if they are solved, the result is worth it.

You can claim that you're satisfied with the UHD50, but objectively it does not do extremely well in terms of contrast, even color *extremely. Contrast is the number one factor IMO. This is the primary deficiency of these low end DLPs. Most people can't really tell HDR vs. SDR and contrast difference would be much more noticeable and appreciated.
In cases like your setup, what is the point of a large screen with higher resolution if it's washed out?
The HD27HDR can accept a 4K signal. Is it 4K too? If you sit far enough away 480P is no different than 4K.

You and I are not in a position to judge who will like what, and you have no idea what someone else will like.

The amazing thing is that many people, myself included, prefer 4K DLP over 3LCD.
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The HD27HDR can accept a 4K signal. Is it 4K too? If you sit far enough away 480P is no different than 4K.

You and I are not in a position to judge who will like what, and you have no idea what someone else will like.

The amazing thing is that many people, myself included, prefer 4K DLP over 3LCD.
It's more about contrast, not DLP vs. 3LCD. DLP models with good contrast did exist, once.

As I said before, there is more to 4K than just resolution. And more to picture quality than resolution. The 480p is a straw man. We're not even talking about 720p here, the sharpness of these faux 4K units is over 1080p. Not to repeat myself, but there are a lot of factors that contribute to sharpness perception, including the source. That can change. Contrast and good black level exists in good quantities in all media someone will consume, regardless of resolution. And so the requirement for equipment that can reproduce it stays constant.

While personal preference has a role to play, not everything is relative. There are universal characteristics that are pleasing.

Between a previous generation JVC which is 2x1080p faux 4K, and something like the UHD51 (4x 1080p), which one do you thing looks better? Not just to the general public, but to you. Don't be ridiculous and say the Optoma. Epson's UB line is closer to JVCs than no iris low contrast 4K DLP.

It's one thing to be satisfied with a 4K DLP, and another to say it's better than higher contrast devices. I can enjoy media on my 1080p DLP even though I'm unhappy with the black level/contrast aspect. But I don't go around telling people that JVCs and UBs or even higher end HCs from Epson wouldn't look better. There is no amount of leeway in someones preference that would make them think otherwise.
Ok, maybe there is with 1 person.

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It's more about contrast, not DLP vs. 3LCD. DLP models with good contrast did exist, once.

As I said before, there is more to 4K than just resolution. And more to picture quality than resolution. The 480p is a straw man. We're not even talking about 720p here, the sharpness of these faux 4K units is over 1080p. Not to repeat myself, but there are a lot of factors that contribute to sharpness perception, including the source. That can change. Contrast and good black level exists in good quantities in all media someone will consume, regardless of resolution. And so the requirement for equipment that can reproduce it stays constant.

While personal preference has a role to play, not everything is relative. There are universal characteristics that are pleasing.

Between a previous generation JVC which is 2x1080p faux 4K, and something like the UHD51 (4x 1080p), which one do you thing looks better? Not just to the general public, but to you. Don't be ridiculous and say the Optoma. Epson's UB line is closer to JVCs than no iris low contrast 4K DLP.

It's one thing to be satisfied with a 4K DLP, and another to say it's better than higher contrast devices. I can enjoy media on my 1080p DLP even though I'm unhappy with the black level/contrast aspect. But I don't go around telling people that JVCs and UBs or even higher end HCs from Epson wouldn't look better. There is no amount of leeway in someones preference that would make them think otherwise.
Ok, maybe there is with 1 person.
Contrast - This will vary depending on the image. I have pointed out this review to you several times:

http://cine4home.de/benq-w5700-vs-ep...nzimmerbeamer/

where the contrast of actual images, as seen by the viewer, are measured.

In brightly lit images there is no doubt that DLP has higher contrast and this will be true for even the most expensive JVC DLA projector. In darker scenes the TW9400 does better, but not that much better. Colour and overall IQ are again subjective but it will not always favour one projector over another. A properly exposed nature documentary, for example, will probably have higher per frame contrast on a DLP projector such, as the UHD50, than on a much more expensive, 3LCD or LCOS projector, simply due to the lower ANSI contrast of non-DLP displays.

Another DLP advantage is explained here:

The reason the Theo-Z65, which uses a DLP single chip, can equal or exceed the detail of the native JVC is the 3-chip alignment challenges, and a technical limitation of liquid crystal technology called “Fringe Field Effect.” Basically, the rise time or depth of modulation on a liquid crystal display is somewhat limited by the layer of liquid crystal which cannot turn on and off as cleanly as a digital DLP device.
https://www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dl...eo-z65-part-i/


Are there areas that 3LCD or LCOS might do better? Yes, but again, in a properly setup projector and video source, the differences are likely to be subtle and if they're not subtle then something isn't setup correctly. This is why I always look for problems in setup when people complain about IQ.

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