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I also think this is based on the UHZ65 but in a UST version.

I'm really hoping for lasers to take off. They have sooo much potential.

But, in their current iteration, I'll pass. The UHZ65 had terrible rainbows! And it could work on it's on/off contrast some more.
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Three new Optoma 4K UHD projectors are making their debut—well, two distinct models, one of which will be available in two varieties, one with Alexa voice control.

https://www.avsforum.com/optoma-4k-uh...tors-ces-2018/
Scott, did Optoma happen to mention which chipset they are using? The prior UHD 60/65 used the .66 DMD but I highly suspect this new $1500 unit will incorporate the new .47 DMD being used in the upcoming BenQ HT2550.

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Scott, did Optoma happen to mention which chipset they are using? The prior UHD 60/65 used the .66 DMD but I highly suspect this new $1500 unit will incorporate the new .47 DMD being used in the upcoming BenQ HT2550.


I think the UHD50 is using the .66 DMD it is stated on the Optoma website under the specification tap

https://www.optomausa.com/projectorproduct/uhd50
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I know the UHD50 is using the .66 DMD it is stated on the Optoma website under the specification tap

https://www.optomausa.com/projectorproduct/uhd50

Holy cow. This story just gets better and better.

So why would you spend more for the UHD60?



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Possibly the UHD60 has a higher quality lens and better brightness or contrast. I’m guessing they will phase out UHD60.
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I know the UHD50 is using the .66 DMD it is stated on the Optoma website under the specification tap

https://www.optomausa.com/projectorproduct/uhd50
I wouldn't count on this just yet. Projectorcentral.com just posted that the UHD50 is using the 0.47" 4-way shifter. Sometimes new data sheets are simply edited versions of data sheets for older models and it's not uncommon to have typos. Of course projectorcentral.com could also be in error so it may take time to pin down the definitive answer on which chip the UHD50 is using.

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Optoma has announced two new 4K home theater projectors, the UHD51A and the UHD50. Featuring the new 0.47” 4K UHD DLP chipset that delivers 3840x2160 pixels, these models are rated at 2400 lumens and 500,000:1 contrast.
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UHD50 touts a 500,000:1 contrast, 2400 lumens, 15 degree lens shift, a 140" max screen size and no 3D. The max screen size has got to do with limiting something, like the light channel or lens. It has a shorter throw ratio than the UHD60 and less lumens and less contrast with dynamic black on. It's definitely a step down from the UDH60 and possibly shorter throw??
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The 0.47 chip makes more sense given the price disparity.


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The UHD550X had an inferior lens to the UHD60 with less contrast, I assume same will be the case with UHD50. On the other hand, the RGBRGB wheel will make up for some of that lost contrast from the UHD60. The UHD65 however likely wont be touchable by the UHD50.
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The 0.47 chip makes more sense given the price disparity.


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Not necessarily, the UHD550X has been around this price in Europe for a long time and was 0.66".
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Ok but UHD50 > benq 1070, yes?


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I wouldn't count on this just yet. Projectorcentral.com just posted that the UHD50 is using the 0.47" 4-way shifter. Sometimes new data sheets are simply edited versions of data sheets for older models and it's not uncommon to have typos. Of course projectorcentral.com could also be in error so it may take time to pin down the definitive answer on which chip the UHD50 is using.



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Your right those are both possibilities, I edited my post accordingly. I’m still leaning towards the spec sheet being the correct information. Optoma would have most likely added 3D to better compete with BenQ’s HT2550. That being said, if the .47 DMD is a deal breaker I would certainly wait for more clarification.
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It may be the case that it is better than the w1070 with 4K UHD Blu-ray but worse with 1080p Blu-ray, if the UHD550X is any indication of performance of the UHD50.
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Oops, with two Optoma threads going I just posted the following in the other one when I meant to post it here:

Getting back to the question of which DMD is in the UHD50, if you compare its dimensions to the UHD60/65 it's smaller and lighter. In fact the UHD50's size and features are more in line with the BenQ HT2550, which is known to use the smaller 0.47" DMD. It seems part of TI's strategy with the smaller DMD is to allow for smaller, less featured, lower cost projectors. Based on this I think it's more likely the smaller UHD50 uses the smaller 0.47" DMD.
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Oops, with two Optoma threads going I just posted the following in the other one when I meant to post it here:



Getting back to the question of which DMD is in the UHD50, if you compare its dimensions to the UHD60/65 it's smaller and lighter. In fact the UHD50's size and features are more in line with the BenQ HT2550, which is known to use the smaller 0.47" DMD. It seems part of TI's strategy with the smaller DMD is to allow for smaller, less featured, lower cost projectors. Based on this I think it's more likely the smaller UHD50 uses the smaller 0.47" DMD.


lol, in that case...

I'd say while it's not likely extra pixels were added for digital keystone correction it is possible.



Getting back to the question of which DMD is in the UHD50, if you compare its dimensions to the UHD60/65 it's smaller and lighter. In fact the UHD50's size and features are more in line with the BenQ HT2550, which is known to use the smaller 0.47" DMD. It seems part of TI's strategy with the smaller DMD is to allow for smaller, less featured, lower cost projectors. Based on this I think it's more likely the smaller UHD50 uses the smaller 0.47" DMD.


I just looked up the data sheet also,

https://www.optomausa.com/uploads/da...0-DS-en-US.pdf

It specifies the .66 chip as well. This could still have errors, however much less likely imo. It’s also possible that they have gotten better at reducing its footprint. Acer’s models have shown that the .66 dmd can fit in a pretty small chassis. I think Optoma may have added some dead space to the uhd60/65, in order to center the lens and make it appear like a more serious home theater projector for its higher price point. Just speculating. You where right about the German reviewer on another thread. So far

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I think I’ll tie it up on this one though.

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Does the lack of a traditional zoom lens in an UST projector mean that it is impossible to design an UST with the kind of zoom to change aspect ratio feature that many traditional projectors incorporate (the pricier ones, anyway)?

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Does the lack of a traditional zoom lens in an UST projector mean that it is impossible to design an UST with the kind of zoom to change aspect ratio feature that many traditional projectors incorporate (the pricier ones, anyway)?
Not impossible but expensive and not really necessary. One of the reasons UST projectors cost more is because UST lenses are more expensive to produce than longer throw lenses. Since you only need to move a UST projector a few inches to get a significant increase or decrease in image size it's easy enough to simply move the projector rather than adding lens zoom to the cost and complexity.

UST projectors designed for business or classroom use typically have optional wall mounts that allow the mount to be slid back and forth to adjust image size similar to the one pictured below from Epson.

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UST projectors designed for business or classroom use typically have optional wall mounts that allow the mount to be slid back and forth to adjust image size similar to the one pictured below from Epson.
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I think some marketing "genius" has decided that there is a group of people with above-average income that need USTs just to show off. This of course requires a lit room (hence high lumens output) and not just a nerdy black batcave with a calibrated picture solely for the pleasure of movie watching
It's marketed to those people who spend $50,000 on their HT build featuring a 100x200' room only to put a stupid looking 110" or smaller screen in front of 20 rows of seats each of which costs 10x more than the screen. This PJ will be perfect for people like that.
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I wouldn’t be so sure. I know that sounds insane but the HT1070a I reviewed was one hell of projector (and an insane value) and I want to see how the other aspects of picture quality besides resolution shake out before I agree with that statement.

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It's marketed to those people who spend $50,000 on their HT build featuring a 100x200' room only to put a stupid looking 110" or smaller screen in front of 20 rows of seats each of which costs 10x more than the screen. This PJ will be perfect for people like that.
Guys, you don't need to berate the potential market of these projectors just because they don't fit with your requirements.

I have a bat cave and I'm seriously thinking of a UST because projectors like the UHZ65 have very limited placement possibilities. With no negative vertical lens shift, I'd have to mask my painstakingly HVLP sprayed Black-Widow screen and go from a 130" diagonal to a 120". I was looking at the Dell S718QL, but it's not aimed at HT and there's been no serious review of it. It could be that the Optoma UST is not aimed at HT, but given that it's not even got half the lumens of the Dell, I'd hope that it is, in fact, aimed at a different segment of the HT market, rather than the presentation market like than the Dell.
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Guys, you don't need to berate the potential market of these projectors just because they don't fit with your requirements.



I have a bat cave and I'm seriously thinking of a UST because projectors like the UHZ65 have very limited placement possibilities. With no negative vertical lens shift, I'd have to mask my painstakingly HVLP sprayed Black-Widow screen and go from a 130" diagonal to a 120". I was looking at the Dell S718QL, but it's not aimed at HT and there's been no serious review of it. It could be that the Optoma UST is not aimed at HT, but given that it's not even got half the lumens of the Dell, I'd hope that it is, in fact, aimed at a different segment of the HT market, rather than the presentation market like than the Dell.


I agree, no need for the berating towards UST buyers especially since the offenses mentioned above is all too often done with projectors of all throws. On another topic, I would think a Black-Widow painted screen might have serious issues with a UST projector. Just a friendly heads up.

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I agree, no need for the berating towards UST buyers especially since the offenses mentioned above is all to often done with projectors of all throws. On another topic, I would think a Black-Widow painted screen might have serious issues with a UST projector. Just a friendly heads up.
Really? Could you elaborate why? (PM me if this is getting too off topic for this thread)
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I just checked the projectorcentral.com database and noticed the UHD50 was listed as Full HD 3D. I checked the product sheet and on the bottom in fine print it mentions 3D as well. This has potential if the product sheet is correct.
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i wouldn’t be so sure. I know that sounds insane but the ht1070a i reviewed was one hell of projector (and an insane value) and i want to see how the other aspects of picture quality besides resolution shake out before i agree with that statement.
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Really? Could you elaborate why? (PM me if this is getting too off topic for this thread)
A Black Widow screen falls in the category of "ambient light rejecting". An ALR screen works because it rejects more light coming in from the sides than it does light coming directly from the projector. A UST projector throws light onto the screen at extreme angles, so an ALR screen will reject the light that hits the outside edges of the screen. This makes the center of an image bright, but it dims quickly out at the edges. The Black Widow is not a really extreme version of ALR, so it would not be nearly as bad as others like a Black Diamond oe even Carl's ALR material, but ALR is generally not a good pairing with UST projection. A flat white or gray screen is not ALR and usually what is recommended for UST.

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A Black Widow screen falls in the category of "ambient light rejecting". An ALR screen works because it rejects more light coming in from the sides than it does light coming directly from the projector. A UST projector throws light onto the screen at extreme angles, so an ALR screen will reject the light that hits the outside edges of the screen. This makes the center of an image bright, but it dims quickly out at the edges. The Black Widow is not a really extreme version of ALR, so it would not be nearly as bad as others like a Black Diamond oe even Carl's ALR material, but ALR is generally not a good pairing with UST projection. A flat white or gray screen is not ALR and usually what is recommended for UST.
Thanks. I'd have to get a loan of one to try it out I guess.

Either that, or I wait for Samsung's The Wall to be available in 65" versions, buy four of them and get my 130" that way
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Does the $1500 Version have 3D enabled?
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I currently have an Epson 5030UB and looking to upgrade in the very near future. If this UHD50 can deliver HDR 60hz 444 as stated so I can fully utilize the Xbox one X I'm sold. Especially at that price point.
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