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Reccomendation on 4K/3D projector?

I read somewhere the UHD60/65 will get 3D through a firmware update?
But I also read on here, if you want to update your firmware, you need to send your unit to Optoma.
I'm about to make the jump up from my Epson 3010. I bought many 3D movies while they were still a popular thing. It would be nice to get a projector that can do 4K & 3D.
I'm displaying this on a big screen. For my price range, only the UHD60 is the brightest of the sub $2500 units
The Epson eShift units don't look as sharp as these new DLP units. So no 3LCD for me.

If there is no firmware, I guess I could always keep the Epson around for 3D watching.
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I read somewhere the UHD60/65 will get 3D through a firmware update?
But I also read on here, if you want to update your firmware, you need to send your unit to Optoma.
I'm about to make the jump up from my Epson 3010. I bought many 3D movies while they were still a popular thing. It would be nice to get a projector that can do 4K & 3D.
I'm displaying this on a big screen. For my price range, only the UHD60 is the brightest of the sub $2500 units
The Epson eShift units don't look as sharp as these new DLP units. So no 3LCD for me.

If there is no firmware, I guess I could always keep the Epson around for 3D watching.
I don't think 3d firmware for uhd60/uhd65 is going to happen.

But Optoma is imminently launching the UHD51A with 4K UHD and Blu ray 3d support, rated 2400 lumens and $1699, I'd take a look at that:

I also will note dlp 3d has much less artifacts than other techs.

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Get the new benq ht2550 has everything HDR, 4k and 3d!
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Get the new benq ht2550 has everything HDR, 4k and 3d!
Uhd51a is looking a bit more deluxe imo and rated 200 lumens brighter
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About $200 more but OP says brightness is a priority and uhd51a looks like it will be brighter.
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Thanks. That UHD51A looks tempting.
I need to figure out what my screen gain is. So I can have a better estimate on how many lumens I would need.
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I read the press release for the UHD51A Projector and I don't see any mention of 3D. Are you sure it will have it?
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I read the press release for the UHD51A Projector and I don't see any mention of 3D. Are you sure it will have it?
Yes it definitely does.
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I wouldn't ever get my hopes up for promises of future features to be delivered by updates.

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I wouldn't ever get my hopes up for promises of future features to be delivered by updates.
Especially when that company makes you send the projector back to them to get firmware updates. I would say that chances of them adding unpromised features are slim to none.

I did have an Onkyo receiver add DTSX capability via firmware, but it was advertised before that model released. Plus they allow you to update your own equipment, unlike these stubborn projector companies.
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Yes it definitely does.
Is there any official source to this? In most of the videos and articles I've read, 3D is not mentioned at all. Besides, there is a thread in this very forum where people are saying the UHD60 will support 3D and then it never happened.
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Is there any official source to this? In most of the videos and articles I've read, 3D is not mentioned at all. Besides, there is a thread in this very forum where people are saying the UHD60 will support 3D and then it never happened.


Don’t let this get you confused. Some 4K projectors support 1080p/120Hz which means they are capable of Nvidia 3D Vision. This is wholly different from the 3D standard you find on 1080p Blu-ray Disc.

Currently the only 4K DLPs that support 3D are the BenQ HT2550 and the Optoma UHD51 (supposedly— it’s not out yet and it’s little brother the UHD50 doesn’t support it).

People get really mad when I say this but 3D is pretty much dead. It’s unfortunate as DLP 3D is actually really good and really cool. The number of 3D Blu-ray releases is slowing to a crawl and some of them (like the recent Coco and Thor Ragnarok) are not being carried by major retailers or are not actually US region discs and are thus hard to find.

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Don’t let this get you confused. Some 4K projectors support 1080p/120Hz which means they are capable of Nvidia 3D Vision. This is wholly different from the 3D standard you find on 1080p Blu-ray Disc.

Currently the only 4K DLPs that support 3D are the BenQ HT2550 and the Optoma UHD51 (supposedly— it’s not out yet and it’s little brother the UHD50 doesn’t support it).

People get really mad when I say this but 3D is pretty much dead. It’s unfortunate as DLP 3D is actually really good and really cool. The number of 3D Blu-ray releases is slowing to a crawl and some of them (like the recent Coco and Thor Ragnarok) are not being carried by major retailers or are not actually US region discs and are thus hard to find.
4K HDR is of course the main selling point, but I still think seeing a movie in a theater in IMAX 3D is the best way to see a movie, at least in my opinion and that's why I'm currently thinking about buying a projector, mainly for 4K HDR, but I'd like to at least have the option to watch 3D movies. I have two 3D TVs at home but both are nowhere near close to giving the same effect that you get in a theater. (Of course not, they are TVs)
Don't get me wrong, I don't except IMAX 3D quality at home, but at least an upgrade from a TV.
Also, from what I have seen, there are still enough 3D movies being released, so that it's not completely worthless to have 3D support.
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The Epson eShift units don't look as sharp as these new DLP units. So no 3LCD for me.
Um, no. Having tried both BenQ HT2550 and Epson 5040UB... Epson 4K is plenty sharp, and I'd argue HDR is more important than any perceived sharpness benefit. Epson blows away current low-priced DLP's on blacks, colors and contrast.
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Um, no. Having tried both BenQ HT2550 and Epson 5040UB... Epson 4K is plenty sharp, and I'd argue HDR is more important than any perceived sharpness benefit. Epson blows away current low-priced DLP's on blacks, colors and contrast.


I’m shocked to see this opinion. I really like the e shift on the Epson’s but it’s no where near the XPR on the DLPs— quite literally it’s half the resolution. Of course the 5040ub will pretty much trounce any DLP in contrast/blacks so that may have an effect on perceived detail...

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Resolution isn't everything... upgrade from 1080p to 4K isn't as dramatic in terms of what eyes can resolve in terms of uptick in sharpness/detail as it was from DVD to HDTV to 1080p Blu-ray. I sit 11ft away from a 100" screen, and while I notice an incremental resolution improvement over the best 1080p Blu-ray content, what makes 4K more dramatic is HDR, color depth, deep blacks, and contrast. No, Epson 5040UB isn't perfect (more 2K-ish than 4K-ish like BenQ/Optoma, only 10.2Gbps HDMI bandwidth), but I think, just IMHO, it produces better 4K viewing experience than BenQ HT2550.

On 3D, DLP is better, no question.

Having said all this, I'm planning to re-try BenQ w/their upcoming TK800. Think we're a year or a generation away from compelling 4K + 3D PJ's that are affordable.

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Resolution isn't everything... upgrade from 1080p to 4K isn't as dramatic in terms of what eyes can resolve in terms of uptick in sharpness/detail as it was from DVD to HDTV to 1080p Blu-ray. I sit 11ft away from a 100" screen, and while I notice an incremental resolution improvement over the best 1080p Blu-ray content, what makes 4K more dramatic is HDR, color depth, deep blacks, and contrast. No, Epson 5040UB isn't perfect (more 2K-ish than 4K-ish like BenQ/Optoma, only 10.2Gbps HDMI bandwidth), but I think, just IMHO, it produces better 4K viewing experience than BenQ HT2550.

On 3D, DLP is better, no question.

Having said all this, I'm planning to re-try BenQ w/their upcoming TK800. Think we're a year or a generation away from compelling 4K + 3D PJ's that are affordable.
Completely disagree, 1080p to 4K is just as big or more of a jump than 480p to 1080p. I can barely stand to watch 1080p anymore, even upscaled to 4K it looks way inferior to native 4K. With HDR its even greater separation. To say the diff is incremental means you are not really experiencing 4K res.
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Agree to disagree. I had a 65" LG OLED, and w/it, I agree, sitting about 5-6ft away, you could discern an appreciable difference. But, I craved to go back to front projection, and the story is different. You're just not getting the quality delta w/PJ's at a price point "Under $3,000 USD MSRP".

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Resolution isn't everything... upgrade from 1080p to 4K isn't as dramatic in terms of what eyes can resolve in terms of uptick in sharpness/detail as it was from DVD to HDTV to 1080p Blu-ray. I sit 11ft away from a 100" screen, and while I notice an incremental resolution improvement over the best 1080p Blu-ray content, what makes 4K more dramatic is HDR, color depth, deep blacks, and contrast. No, Epson 5040UB isn't perfect (more 2K-ish than 4K-ish like BenQ/Optoma, only 10.2Gbps HDMI bandwidth), but I think, just IMHO, it produces better 4K viewing experience than BenQ HT2550.



On 3D, DLP is better, no question.



Having said all this, I'm planning to re-try BenQ w/their upcoming TK800. Think we're a year or a generation away from compelling 4K + 3D PJ's that are affordable.


Well see that’s the problem right there! 11ft from a 100” screen is too small/too far!

I have to disagree here. A year ago I would have been right there with you but having experienced what 4K can deliver in a large format the differences between 1080p and 4K are similar to the differences between SD and HD. I agree that seating distance, size of your screen and content all play an important role here. But there is a massive difference in detail and clarity when moving up to 4K. I think part of the problem is people base their observations on UHD Blu-rays that are mastered in 2K or, worse yet, streaming. I agree you’re not going to see much any difference with inferior content. Well mastered UHD Blu-ray and videogames are where you need to start to really see how substantial an upgrade 4K really is.

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Resolution isn't everything... upgrade from 1080p to 4K isn't as dramatic in terms of what eyes can resolve in terms of uptick in sharpness/detail as it was from DVD to HDTV to 1080p Blu-ray. I sit 11ft away from a 100" screen, and while I notice an incremental resolution improvement over the best 1080p Blu-ray content, what makes 4K more dramatic is HDR, color depth, deep blacks, and contrast. No, Epson 5040UB isn't perfect (more 2K-ish than 4K-ish like BenQ/Optoma, only 10.2Gbps HDMI bandwidth), but I think, just IMHO, it produces better 4K viewing experience than BenQ HT2550.



On 3D, DLP is better, no question.



Having said all this, I'm planning to re-try BenQ w/their upcoming TK800. Think we're a year or a generation away from compelling 4K + 3D PJ's that are affordable.


Well see that’s the problem right there! 11ft from a 100” screen is too small/too far! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

I have to disagree here. A year ago I would have been right there with you but having experienced what 4K can deliver in a large format the differences between 1080p and 4K are similar to the differences between SD and HD. I agree that seating distance, size of your screen and content all play an important role here. But there is a massive difference in detail and clarity when moving up to 4K. I think part of the problem is people base their observations on UHD Blu-rays that are mastered in 2K or, worse yet, streaming. I agree you’re not going to see much any difference with inferior content. Well mastered UHD Blu-ray and videogames are where you need to start to really see how substantial
an upgrade 4K really is.
Totally agree, the best 4K HDR sources present a huge upgrade in PQ vs. 1080p. Have you seen some of the latest 4K HDR shows on Netflix like "Dark" or "Bright" they will rival the best 4K BluRay transfers. Just keeps getting better with Netflix 4K HDR. I do have very high speed streaming.
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@stopdog , I have 850-900Mbps down fiber, but haven't really watched Netflix or Amazon HDR shows yet; only sampled scenes. Looks like I should.

@sage11x , so I have to ask, what's your screen size and how close do you sit?

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@stopdog , I have 850-900Mbps down fiber, but haven't really watched Netflix or Amazon HDR shows yet; only sampled scenes. Looks like I should.

@sage11x , so I have to ask, what's your screen size and how close do you sit?
Wow dude that's blazing fast ! You should definitely streaming some 4K HDR Netflix !
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@stopdog , I have 850-900Mbps down fiber, but haven't really watched Netflix or Amazon HDR shows yet; only sampled scenes. Looks like I should.


@sage11x , so I have to ask, what's your screen size and how close do you sit?


Unfortunately, in my apartment, I’m limited to a 100” screen with the HT2550 as I don’t have enough throw to go larger (the HT2050 I had there before would easily target a 120” screen). When I was preparing for my review of the HT2550, BenQ suggested a screen size no less than 120”. I didn’t have the space so I instead just sat closer— in this case within 8 feet. This matches most recommendations for 4K seating distance.

A good rule of thumb for 4K seating distance is to sit about equal distance to your diagonal screen size. So for a 100” screen you’ll want to be sitting about 100 inches away (roughly 8 feet). Similarly, for a 120” screen you’d want to be sitting about 120”, or 10 feet, away. Obviously you can sit a little closer or further away but this will keep you firmly in the ‘worth it’ field of view. We’ve all seen the chart...

http://i.rtings.com/images/optimal-v...graph-size.png

While this seating distance worked perfectly for documentaries and full screen 16:9 content I found myself wanting to sit a little closer for 2.35 aspect content (theatrical widescreen). Which gave me that peripheral FOV that the format was designed for. Really, with 4K, you have to rethink screen size as resolution is no longer a limiting factor.

We’re shopping for another house now and I would love to have some more space to fit a larger screen for 4K. The only nice thing about the apartment we have now is all the ceiling are 9 feet which means I won’t run out of vertical wall space but I just don’t have the room for the throws necessary to hit the larger screen sizes.
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Don’t let this get you confused. Some 4K projectors support 1080p/120Hz which means they are capable of Nvidia 3D Vision. This is wholly different from the 3D standard you find on 1080p Blu-ray Disc.

Currently the only 4K DLPs that support 3D are the BenQ HT2550 and the Optoma UHD51 (supposedly— it’s not out yet and it’s little brother the UHD50 doesn’t support it).

People get really mad when I say this but 3D is pretty much dead. It’s unfortunate as DLP 3D is actually really good and really cool. The number of 3D Blu-ray releases is slowing to a crawl and some of them (like the recent Coco and Thor Ragnarok) are not being carried by major retailers or are not actually US region discs and are thus hard to find.
4K HDR is of course the main selling point, but I still think seeing a movie in a theater in IMAX 3D is the best way to see a movie, at least in my opinion and that's why I'm currently thinking about buying a projector, mainly for 4K HDR, but I'd like to at least have the option to watch 3D movies. I have two 3D TVs at home but both are nowhere near close to giving the same effect that you get in a theater. (Of course not, they are TVs)
Don't get me wrong, I don't except IMAX 3D quality at home, but at least an upgrade from a TV.
Also, from what I have seen, there are still enough 3D movies being released, so that it's not completely worthless to have 3D support.
The up-for-preorder domestic 3D release of Ready Player One makes that a given!
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is this the future of 3D viewing?
then we need a bigger HT room

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I’m going to disagree with my own previous comments. Upgraded to a 150” screen with 12ft seating distance and 4K via BenQ HT3550 is quite awesome!
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I’m going to disagree with my own previous comments. Upgraded to a 150” screen with 12ft seating distance and 4K via BenQ HT3550 is quite awesome!
Is that 150" diagonal or wide? 16:9 or 2.35:1?
I'm currently rocking a old school Epson Home Cinema 1080.. had if for over 12 years... am planning upgrading to 4k.. am deciding between Epson 4010 or 5050 or the BenQ HT3550 or HT5550
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