Choosing Projectors, (Epson vs Benq vs. Epson) - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 9 Old 02-16-2018, 11:34 AM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Choosing Projectors, (Epson vs Benq vs. Epson)

Hi Everyone,


So I'm about to pull the trigger and get a projector. I have surround sounds speakers and just bought an AV receiver. I plan on getting a white 120 inch screen, but I feel paralyzed by analysis on the Projector. About my room:


11ft X 18ft basement, total darkness in the evening and little light during the day. Looking to do about a 16ft throw, mostly playing PS4 and a Retron 5, and watching movies. This is my first projector, so I want to get something good, but I don't want to break my bank.

I was about to get the BenQ 2050ST, but then I saw some people complaining about the RBE, and from what I've seen from projectors so far, I'd rather not have to worry about that. Then I turned my eyes towards the Epson 2100 (I don't really need wireless on the 2150). Especially with the deals going on it right now, I was about to buy it for $650. But then when I went into the store, I started looking at the Epson 3700. Part of me says that I should get something nicer in quality because it'll last me longer than wanting to upgrade every few years. But we just bought a house and I don't want to break my bank on spending $1200 for the projector. Does anyone think that the jump from 2100 to 3700 is worth it? Or am I wrong about the BenQ?


I don't feel the need to have the latest and greatest, but I don't want to feel like I got a sub-par entry level projector with the 2100. I'm also a little worried about noise on the 3700. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!
NotoriousPSG is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 9 Old 02-16-2018, 12:20 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Dave in Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 7,924
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3578 Post(s)
Liked: 2764
@NotoriousPSG , most people do not see rainbows on DLP projector models with a fast RGBRGB color wheel like the BenQ. Some people see occasional minor rainbows but are not bothered by them. Only a small percentage of people are so sensitive to rainbows that they can't even tolerate a virtually rainbow-free projector like a BenQ. There's no reason not to buy a BenQ DLP as long as you buy it from a vendor that will accept a return if you happen to be among the small percentage who happen to be especially sensitive to rainbows.

You said BenQ 2050ST. There's a BenQ HT2050 and an HT2150ST which is the short throw version of the HT2050 with basically the same performance except it can throw the same size image as the HT2050 at a shorter distance from the screen. There's no reason to buy a more expensive short throw model unless you need a shorter throw for your screen size and projector mounting distance.

If you mean the HT2050, be sure to look for the HT2050A, which is the new replacement for the HT2050. The new HT2050A comes with a 3-year factory warranty whereas the older HT2050 only has a 1-year factory warranty. The HT2050A also has a $50 lower msrp than the HT2050.
Dave in Green is offline  
post #3 of 9 Old 02-16-2018, 12:33 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
rekbones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somers, CT
Posts: 2,947
Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 942 Post(s)
Liked: 488
I would get the BenQ HT2050/HT2050a over the Epsons, your chance of seeing RBE is very slim. The 3700 best features are its brightness and large lens shift but if you have no placement restrictions it's useless. DLP's are sharper and better for gaming. Lamp cost on the Epsons is also reasonable but unless your running it 8+ hrs a day it's not an issue. Just a note don't try to look for RBE as you can actually train your self to see it then you will always notice it.

"Smart enough to know better, to old to care" ------ Dedicated Bat Cave Home Theater, JVC RS49U/Mitsubishi HC7900DW Projector, 110" 16:9 Jamestown screen with variable power masking for CIW 2.50:1 to 16:9, Marantz 7009 with 7.1.4 Atmos with Ohm mains,3 DIY Subs (2 15" (1 ported, 1 sealed and a 12" 4th order bandpass), 1 DIY butt kicker, Custom Built HTPC, 18TB DroboFS NAS
rekbones is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 9 Old 02-16-2018, 02:51 PM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekbones View Post
I would get the BenQ HT2050/HT2050a over the Epsons, your chance of seeing RBE is very slim. The 3700 best features are its brightness and large lens shift but if you have no placement restrictions it's useless. DLP's are sharper and better for gaming. Lamp cost on the Epsons is also reasonable but unless your running it 8+ hrs a day it's not an issue. Just a note don't try to look for RBE as you can actually train your self to see it then you will always notice it.
So, after measuring my space again, it looks like throw might be more of an issue than I thought. I have a long room, about 18 feet long. I don't necessarily want to mount the projector to the wall unless I have to. Right now, the HT2050A says for 120 inch screen to have it 10-13 ft. I would something around the 17 foot range for the same size screen. I don't really want to have to zoom on the image, correct?

So if this is the case, would you all say to suck it up and ceiling mount it, or would another projector be a better choice?

Thanks so much!
NotoriousPSG is offline  
post #5 of 9 Old 02-16-2018, 03:11 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Dave in Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 7,924
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3578 Post(s)
Liked: 2764
While the majority of people on this forum probably prefer DLP there are also many satisfied owners of 3LCD projectors. A general rule of thumb is that DLP projectors are at their best in the dark or minimal ambient light and brighter 3LCD projectors begin to have an advantage as ambient light is increased. But if you have a strong preference for mounting the projector further back then the Epson 2150 or 3700 would work better for you due to their longer throw range. Both are bright enough that being near the end of their zoom range will still leave you with plenty of brightness so don't worry about that.

The 2150 (or HT2050A) would need to be inverted when ceiling mounted with the lens centered on a point within a few inches of the top of the screen's image area. The 3700's extensive vertical lens shift would offer the further option of sitting upright on a rear wall shelf with the option of being either higher or lower than the top of the screen's image area. As you already know the 3700 is a step up from the other two in size and features. It can throw a brighter image than the 2150 and a much brighter image than the HT2050A if viewing in ambient light is important to you. But the 2150 has gotten really good reviews and won't be too far behind the 3700. Each of these three projector models is considered to be good values at their respective price points.
Dave in Green is offline  
post #6 of 9 Old 02-16-2018, 06:10 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Stephen Hopkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Douglasville, GA
Posts: 4,123
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 402 Post(s)
Liked: 181
If you have light control but think you want to go the 1080p 3LCD route, the Epson 3100 is ~$300 less than the 3700 with the only difference being a couple of hundred lumens output... even less when calibrated. It's still definitely on the bright side if you need to fight a bit of ambient light. I'm using the still very similar 3000 and even with a 60w lamp on in the room and a 1.0 Grey screen, the image isn't washed out at all like my Vivitek 1080p RGBRGB DLP was in the same scenario. Now, this isn't the bulk of my viewing, but it is nice to have the option especially for watching with the kids or gaming.

EDIT: If you're looking at the refurbished 3700 direct from Epson, they also have the 3500 for $100 less... there's so little difference, I'd save the $100 and get the 3500.

BenQ TK800 | Silver Ticket 106" 16:9 1.0 Grey | Marantz SR6011 | B&W P6 | B&W CDMC SE | Sonance .5 THX SUR | MCM In-Ceiling Atmos | Ascendant Avalanche 12" in 6 ft^3 @ 18Hz w/ BASH 500w Plate Amp | Sony X800 | NVidia Shield TV Pro | XBox One 500gb | Nintendo Switch | Harmony Smart Control | SmartThings Hub | Google Home | AT&T Fiber 300 | YouTube TV | Netflix | HBO Now | Spotify
Stephen Hopkins is offline  
post #7 of 9 Old 02-16-2018, 10:19 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
rekbones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somers, CT
Posts: 2,947
Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 942 Post(s)
Liked: 488
If you don't want to ceiling mount and shelf mount at the back of the room the 3100/3700 is your best option. Not from practical experience but from what I have read the 3100/3700 is significantly improved over the old 3000/3500 that had rather poor black level so I can't recommend the discontinued 3000/3500 at any savings. The 2150 could also be mounted close to the back of the room but still must be inverted under a shelf high up or ceiling mounted.

"Smart enough to know better, to old to care" ------ Dedicated Bat Cave Home Theater, JVC RS49U/Mitsubishi HC7900DW Projector, 110" 16:9 Jamestown screen with variable power masking for CIW 2.50:1 to 16:9, Marantz 7009 with 7.1.4 Atmos with Ohm mains,3 DIY Subs (2 15" (1 ported, 1 sealed and a 12" 4th order bandpass), 1 DIY butt kicker, Custom Built HTPC, 18TB DroboFS NAS

Last edited by rekbones; 02-16-2018 at 10:23 PM.
rekbones is offline  
post #8 of 9 Old 02-17-2018, 06:57 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Stephen Hopkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Douglasville, GA
Posts: 4,123
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 402 Post(s)
Liked: 181
I have no complaints on black levels of the 3000.

BenQ TK800 | Silver Ticket 106" 16:9 1.0 Grey | Marantz SR6011 | B&W P6 | B&W CDMC SE | Sonance .5 THX SUR | MCM In-Ceiling Atmos | Ascendant Avalanche 12" in 6 ft^3 @ 18Hz w/ BASH 500w Plate Amp | Sony X800 | NVidia Shield TV Pro | XBox One 500gb | Nintendo Switch | Harmony Smart Control | SmartThings Hub | Google Home | AT&T Fiber 300 | YouTube TV | Netflix | HBO Now | Spotify
Stephen Hopkins is offline  
post #9 of 9 Old 02-17-2018, 08:11 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Dave in Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 7,924
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3578 Post(s)
Liked: 2764
@rekbones is correct. All professional reviews state that the 3100/3700 offer a significant increase in performance over the 3000/3500. And since the 3000/3500 have been out of production so long buying a refurbished model may mean you will get a unit that's already been used for several thousand hours and sent back to Epson for warranty work as some on this forum have reported. Considering all that the $100 savings is just not worth it.
Dave in Green is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP

Tags
2050st , 2100 , 3700 , Benq , Epson

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off