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suggestion. Best 4kHDR under 3k

what projector right now is the pound for pound 4k hdr king under 3k. THAT IS THE QUESTION

- I am aware no projector right now can really output enough light for actual HDR
- screen size 106' to 110'
- Will use for some sports, very minimal gaming, alot of movie watching.

Should i wait? are there whispers of something on the horizion? I have about 3-4 months.
Thanks for your help.
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I'd say the Epson 5040ub, definitely.

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Wait until the last minute.
Maybe one of the 4K Laser DLP's will drop into your price range, or a new 4K PJ we don't know about yet.
From what I have seen the LCD's e-shift method of simulating 4K is not very sharp at all.
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Wait until the last minute.
Maybe one of the 4K Laser DLP's will drop into your price range, or a new 4K PJ we don't know about yet.
From what I have seen the LCD's e-shift method of simulating 4K is not very sharp at all.
I've read in reviews that the Epson e-shift is quite good, actually.

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gotta be JVC, right?
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E-shift is not 4k, not 8 million pixels. Its not sharp with the Epsons. I vote for the UHD65. Pass on the 60.
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If you really don't want to game on the ps4 pro or xbox one then the epson should be fine for watching movies. Hard to call it the hdr king though when you can't play in 4k + hdr on those two major consoles due to bandwidth limitations on the hdmi chip.
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DLP has always been considered the sharpest technology even before XPR pixel shifting. Yet many prefer LCoS or 3LCD for other reasons that outweigh DLP's sharpness advantage. The various camps make persuasive arguments as to why one technology is better than the others. If you can't see it with your own eyes you're at the mercy of other people's opinions, and what's best for them may or may not be best for you.
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I've read in reviews that the Epson e-shift is quite good, actually.
It is but the XPR solution in the DLPs is at a whole other level and is the closest you can come to native 4K for less than $5K.

But, as with anything, it depends on screen size and seating distance. I'm watching a 100" screen from within about 9 feet and the difference between 1080p and 4K is, with the right material, staggering. To be clear, I never thought 1080p was anything but sharp at this screen size and seating distance but this is firmly a case of me not knowing what I was missing.

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If you really don't want to game on the ps4 pro or xbox one then the epson should be fine for watching movies. Hard to call it the hdr king though when you can't play in 4k + hdr on those two major consoles due to bandwidth limitations on the hdmi chip.
Yeah this seems like an oversight on Epson's part. I mean, the 4000/5040 have freaking motorized lens-- it shouldn't cost that much to add an 18Gbps HDMI port. I thought for sure the 4000 would have it when it was announced but maybe they didn't want the 4000 to upstage the 5040.

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It is but the XPR solution in the DLPs is at a whole other level and is the closest you can come to native 4K for less than $5K.

But, as with anything, it depends on screen size and seating distance. I'm watching a 100" screen from within about 9 feet and the difference between 1080p and 4K is, with the right material, staggering. To be clear, I never thought 1080p was anything but sharp at this screen size and seating distance but this is firmly a case of me not knowing what I was missing.
+1. I have a 5040UB that I'll unfortunately be returning because I'm not satisfied with having a 10 Gbps HDMI chip, but the difference between that and my Epson 8350 is jaw dropping. Even on 1080p material the difference is night and day, and then when you push 4K content...wow. Even my wife, who could not care less about image quality, noticed a huge difference and will be sad to see the 5040UB go back to Crutchfield. Just waiting on something with a true 18 Gbps HDMI chip to drop into my price range...
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jvc is the best, infact it has been clearly seen, after the shootout that was held which compared the jvc rs640 (which is almost the same as the rs540 im recommending) to the sony hw385es true 4k projector, that most people couldnt tell which was which, when they were being shown blindly most guessed wrong as to which was which. This shows how good the jvc is compared to true 4k, But some people could still see the difference in contrast where jvc is untouchable! And it is i think a well know fact that contrast and black levels are probably the most important aspect of picture quality! And here, jvc is known by some as the oleds of projectors. Nothing else compares in picture quality!

As for the dlp, horrible contrast makes it a complete no go i think.
Epson lacks the 18 gb hdmi.

But for the jvcs you would need a room with good light control to get the most benefit of the black levels and contrast.
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I've read in reviews that the Epson e-shift is quite good, actually.
It is but the XPR solution in the DLPs is at a whole other level and is the closest you can come to native 4K for less than $5K.

But, as with anything, it depends on screen size and seating distance. I'm watching a 100" screen from within about 9 feet and the difference between 1080p and 4K is, with the right material, staggering. To be clear, I never thought 1080p was anything but sharp at this screen size and seating distance but this is firmly a case of me not knowing what I was missing.
Ah, I see, that makes sense. It sucks because Epson high end models tend have much better contrast than DLP. I personally would take better contrast over better resolution, any day.

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what projector right now is the pound for pound 4k hdr king under 3k. THAT IS THE QUESTION

- I am aware no projector right now can really output enough light for actual HDR
- screen size 106' to 110'
- Will use for some sports, very minimal gaming, alot of movie watching.

Should i wait? are there whispers of something on the horizion? I have about 3-4 months.
Thanks for your help.
if your gaming is XBox, cross off the Epson - you won't get HDR.

Placement also matters - if you have all the room in the world to move the PJ back, your options are all of the PJ's - if your throw ratio is under 1.3 (like me) then you only have one choice - the Optoma UHD50/UHD51A
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if your gaming is XBox, cross off the Epson - you won't get HDR.

Placement also matters - if you have all the room in the world to move the PJ back, your options are all of the PJ's - if your throw ratio is under 1.3 (like me) then you only have one choice - the Optoma UHD50/UHD51A
Just for the record you can get HDR on Xbone if you use the HDR Fury Linker, but that's an additional cost. I really enjoy my Epson 5040/6050 for the price I paid, replaced a JVC HD350. If I had $7500 worth of disposal income I would have gone with the JVC 4K, however this Epson projector is serving as a stopgap measure until 4K projectors come down to an affordable price. Then there will be 8K to deal with... the only thing constant is change.

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Just for the record you can get HDR on Xbone if you use the HDR Fury Linker, but that's an additional cost. I really enjoy my Epson 5040/6050 for the price I paid, replaced a JVC HD350. If I had $7500 worth of disposal income I would have gone with the JVC 4K, however this Epson projector is serving as a stopgap measure until 4K projectors come down to an affordable price. Then there will be 8K to deal with... the only thing constant is change.

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JVC can be had for quite close to the same price as the epson! And for what you get it's well worth the upgrade
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JVC can be had for quite close to the same price as the epson! And for what you get it's well worth the upgrade
Close but no cigar sir.... I certainly understand, but I got a deal I couldn't refuse on my Epson 6040, so I went with that...for $1500 more I could have gone JVC, and I love their projectors, but my budget didn't allow it. I have very little regret on my purchase with the exception of the 10G HDMI limitation.

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+1. I have a 5040UB that I'll unfortunately be returning because I'm not satisfied with having a 10 Gbps HDMI chip, but the difference between that and my Epson 8350 is jaw dropping. Even on 1080p material the difference is night and day, and then when you push 4K content...wow. Even my wife, who could not care less about image quality, noticed a huge difference and will be sad to see the 5040UB go back to Crutchfield. Just waiting on something with a true 18 Gbps HDMI chip to drop into my price range...
Listen to this man. I just bought a 5040UB and came VERY close to returning it because of the same 10 Gbps limitation.

Do NOT buy a projector before 3 months from now. I would wait for a projector that can push 18 Gbps that is in your price range.

I would look for a 5040UB successor or look for a price drop on a current model that can handle 18 Gbps.

Obviously, find out where you will be able to put it and make sure it'll throw the right size at the right distance first. My 5040UB is my first projector and I'm thrilled with it, but I know I caught the bug about a year too early. I wish I had more patience.

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Just for the record you can get HDR on Xbone if you use the HDR Fury Linker, but that's an additional cost. I really enjoy my Epson 5040/6050 for the price I paid, replaced a JVC HD350. If I had $7500 worth of disposal income I would have gone with the JVC 4K, however this Epson projector is serving as a stopgap measure until 4K projectors come down to an affordable price. Then there will be 8K to deal with... the only thing constant is change.

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I almost returned my 5040UB until I researched the HD Fury Linker. I got one for $100, which at this point wasn't a huge deal, and after some messing with it I now get all green check marks on my xbox one S. I felt like it was worth the $100.

I'm also using this projector as a stop gap. I wasn't about to wait 2-3 years for true 4K projectors to be in my price range. Hell, the 5040UB isn't really my price range but I made it happen. I'm using my 2 bulbs up and hoping when it comes time for a 3rd bulb that I can sell off my Epson and get something that'll be that much nicer.
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Close but no cigar sir.... I certainly understand, but I got a deal I couldn't refuse on my Epson 6040, so I went with that...for $1500 more I could have gone JVC, and I love their projectors, but my budget didn't allow it. I have very little regret on my purchase with the exception of the 10G HDMI limitation.
The epson is certainly a good projector. The thing is, to go jvc you don't need to add 1,500$, way less infact! There are some amazing prices available from authorised dealers, i was shocked to find out what you can get them for at street price when compared to the retail price! But in the end it's just about enjoying the projector you have, otherwise you'd never stop upgrading
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The epson is certainly a good projector. The thing is, to go jvc you don't need to add 1,500$, way less infact! There are some amazing prices available from authorised dealers, i was shocked to find out what you can get them for at street price when compared to the retail price! But in the end it's just about enjoying the projector you have, otherwise you'd never stop upgrading
Is it ok to list a few of those authorized dealers? No prices, just the actual dealers?
I'm currently weighing the Epson 5040 vs. Optoma UHD65 vs. Vivitek HK2299. The JVCs would be on that list as well, but so far I haven't found them to be in the same price range.

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Is it ok to list a few of those authorized dealers? No prices, just the actual dealers?
As always, Google is your friend. A quick search for JVC authorized dealers yields the following first three hits:

pro.jvc.com/pro/d9dealer/home.htm

maps.jvc.com/dealerList/

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E-shift is not 4k, not 8 million pixels. Its not sharp with the Epsons. I vote for the UHD65.
Here's what Projector Central says about that:

''Based on specs, the UHD65 has a higher resolution than the HC 5040UB. Its DLP chip delivers a full 3840x2160, or 8.3 million, pixels on screen. The HC 5040UB's pixel shifting with 1080p chips delivers a pixel count well short of that, despite looking similar to the human eye. That said, there's a difference between resolution specs and the ability to resolve detail. The HC 5040UB resolves detail better largely due to its higher quality lens, though its video processing (Super Resolution and Detail Enhancement) may play a part as well. The incremental advantage is primarily in details so fine that you probably wouldn't notice them if you weren't looking for them. With 4K input, fine detail is a little more obvious than with the UHD65. With a 1080p signal, details you can barely see on the UHD65 are clearer on the HC 5040UB.
In the end, the 5040UB's edge in video detail resolution isn't much, but simply being able to match the UHD65 would be an accomplishment in itself. Doing a little better is remarkable. For 4K and 1080p input with SDR, it helps give the HC 5040UB an ever-so-slight edge overall.
The HC 5040UB performs better than the UHD65 with SDR video in either 4K or 1080p. Its image is a touch sharper; its color is equally saturated, bright, and eye catching; and it delivers darker blacks. Comparing images side by side using default settings for the color preset modes, the UHD65's mode with the darkest black is still not as dark as the HC 5040UB's mode with the least dark black.
The HC 5040UB offers darker blacks, ever so slightly better sharpness, and slightly more accurate color with factory settings.''
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Here's what Projector Central says about that:

''Based on specs, the UHD65 has a higher resolution than the HC 5040UB. Its DLP chip delivers a full 3840x2160, or 8.3 million, pixels on screen. The HC 5040UB's pixel shifting with 1080p chips delivers a pixel count well short of that, despite looking similar to the human eye. That said, there's a difference between resolution specs and the ability to resolve detail. The HC 5040UB resolves detail better largely due to its higher quality lens, though its video processing (Super Resolution and Detail Enhancement) may play a part as well. The incremental advantage is primarily in details so fine that you probably wouldn't notice them if you weren't looking for them. With 4K input, fine detail is a little more obvious than with the UHD65. With a 1080p signal, details you can barely see on the UHD65 are clearer on the HC 5040UB.
In the end, the 5040UB's edge in video detail resolution isn't much, but simply being able to match the UHD65 would be an accomplishment in itself. Doing a little better is remarkable. For 4K and 1080p input with SDR, it helps give the HC 5040UB an ever-so-slight edge overall.
The HC 5040UB performs better than the UHD65 with SDR video in either 4K or 1080p. Its image is a touch sharper; its color is equally saturated, bright, and eye catching; and it delivers darker blacks. Comparing images side by side using default settings for the color preset modes, the UHD65's mode with the darkest black is still not as dark as the HC 5040UB's mode with the least dark black.
The HC 5040UB offers darker blacks, ever so slightly better sharpness, and slightly more accurate color with factory settings.''
I'll disagree. I demo'd the Epson, from about 10 to 15 feet. Comors were great, detail and sharpness were poor. I got my UHD65 last night and I see a big difference and this was straight out of the box, not calibrated at all.

The Epson is a big pass. If u want eye bleefing color than go with the Epson. If you want a more natural picture and a better sharper image. Optoma is priced right.
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As always, Google is your friend. A quick search for JVC authorized dealers yields the following first three hits:

pro.jvc.com/pro/d9dealer/home.htm

maps.jvc.com/dealerList/

pro.jvc.com/prof/dealer_popup_home.jsp
Thanks Dave, but I was asking for the dealers that sahil0909 had actually recieved his price quotes from.
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Mike Garrett from avscience is a member on here. He can point you to a jvc within your budget.
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Is it ok to list a few of those authorized dealers? No prices, just the actual dealers?
I'm currently weighing the Epson 5040 vs. Optoma UHD65 vs. Vivitek HK2299. The JVCs would be on that list as well, but so far I haven't found them to be in the same price range.
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Is it ok to list a few of those authorized dealers? No prices, just the actual dealers?
I'm currently weighing the Epson 5040 vs. Optoma UHD65 vs. Vivitek HK2299. The JVCs would be on that list as well, but so far I haven't found them to be in the same price range.
yeah i have pretty much narrowed it down to epson 5040 vs uhd65. if the udh65 could compete in the brightness area then the decision would be ALOT easier
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yeah i have pretty much narrowed it down to epson 5040 vs uhd65. if the udh65 could compete in the brightness area then the decision would be ALOT easier
Epson 5040 UB = 250 watt lamp
Optoma UHD65 = 240 watt lamp
Vivitek HK2288 = 310 watt lamp
JVC RS540 = 265 watt lamp

Which one is brighter ?
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I went through this last year. The JVC was considerably higher in initial cost as well as in bulb cost. Came down to the 5040 or uhd65. From all the reviews and discussions, I figured they were pretty competitive so pick which feature you like more. I chose the uhd65 not just for the higher resolution (on paper), but mainly for higher bandwidth. No problem connecting it to my xbox x.

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The epson is certainly a good projector. The thing is, to go jvc you don't need to add 1,500$, way less infact! There are some amazing prices available from authorised dealers, i was shocked to find out what you can get them for at street price when compared to the retail price! But in the end it's just about enjoying the projector you have, otherwise you'd never stop upgrading
I've had this Epson projector for over a year now, so prices didn't have much of an adjustment. The deal I received was during that time. Things are a bit different now with the 2018 4K projectors coming out. I'm going to wait a couple of years then I will probably upgrade to native 4k.

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