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BenQ HT8050 vs Optoma UHD65

I haven't shopped for projector in a few years and am having a tough time deciding between the BenQ HT8050 and the Optoma UHD65. The price difference is small enough that the price is not a consideration. I'm looking for the best picture. I'm upgrading my BenQ HT2050. This is going to be used with a 120" screen. The lens shift on the BenQ might be nice when installing but is not a deal breaker. I noticed Optoma has a little bit better warranty on the lamp (1 year or 500 hours) vs 90 days with BenQ. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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I haven't shopped for projector in a few years and am having a tough time deciding between the BenQ HT8050 and the Optoma UHD65. The price difference is small enough that the price is not a consideration. I'm looking for the best picture. I'm upgrading my BenQ HT2050. This is going to be used with a 120" screen. The lens shift on the BenQ might be nice when installing but is not a deal breaker. I noticed Optoma has a little bit better warranty on the lamp (1 year or 500 hours) vs 90 days with BenQ. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Having owned both in the past 2 months....HT8050 by a wide margin. Plus they added an HDR & 3D firmware update in Jan. The optics/lens on it is MUCH better than what you get with the UHD65, which is the main reason on the cost difference. It's crystal clear razor sharp edge to edge.

Some in-depth reviews.

http://rehders.de/test-benq-w11000-u...arben-und-thx/ (comparison to VW520 & JVC included)
https://www.projection-homecinema.fr...t-benq-w11000/

If you can get it for a similar price, HT8050 without a doubt.
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Small price difference? Weren't HT8050s going for $8k not too long ago? How much can you buy one for nowadays?
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Small price difference? Weren't HT8050s going for $8k not too long ago? How much can you buy one for nowadays?
Same price my ass...... you point me to a place legitimately selling the BenQ for around than $2500, I'll suck someone off for that! I thought I got a killer deal on the UHD65 for $2199 shipped! No tax, no shipping!

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*Edit* Refurb from BenQ is $3K.

https://www.benqdirect.com/ht8050-re...ee=29&fep=1375
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I don’t know where you got that similar price from. But here in my country the W11000, if that is the HT8050, costs more than $5,000 USD, closer to $6,000 actually. More than double the UHD65.
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Plus they added an HDR & 3D firmware update in Jan. .
I thought the ht8050 had the bigger chip which couldn't do 3d? I searched around and couldn't find any info on the fw update. Can you point to where I can find that info? I would think the refurb price would be a good price, especially with the updates for HDR and 3d.

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Same price my ass...... you point me to a place legitimately selling the BenQ for around than $2500, I'll suck someone off for that! I thought I got a killer deal on the UHD65 for $2199 shipped! No tax, no shipping!

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*Edit* Refurb from BenQ is $3K.

https://www.benqdirect.com/ht8050-re...ee=29&fep=1375
You can get an Ht8050 for $2550 refurbished with coupon code shop15, BENQ activates that coupon twice a month for 2-3 days at a time, so just got to look for it. It's working as I type this.

Personally, I got mine under 2K brand new via Ebay. Lots of dealers getting rid of stock at the moment. I know Visual Apex and a couple others are selling theirs for under 3K new, just need to ask them.


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I thought the ht8050 had the bigger chip which couldn't do 3d? I searched around and couldn't find any info on the fw update. Can you point to where I can find that info? I would think the refurb price would be a good price, especially with the updates for HDR and 3d.

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They announced around July & added it to the W11000 in Dec. (overseas version of the HT8050), there's a bunch of news articles if you search for it under the W11000 name. HT8050 got it in Jan, never announced. It's also in the first link I posted where it was confirmed to have been updated under pro's/cons & bottom of page. And further confirmed in their forums. Google translator definitely comes in handy for these sorts of things. Personally, I can confirm it does 3D, but I never use it.

"no HDR ** (via update now available - available in the BenQ W11000A ex factory)"
"none 3D ** (via update now available - ex works in the BenQ W11000A) "

W11000A....same model as W11000 except it comes with updated firmware from factory.

"** Author's note: The BenQ W11000A model supports 3D and HDR. For the older model W11000 there is now an update to make the projector 3D and HDR capable.)"
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You can get an Ht8050 for $2550 refurbished with coupon code shop15, BENQ activates that coupon twice a month for 2-3 days at a time, so just got to look for it. It's working as I type this.

Personally, I got mine under 2K brand new via Ebay. Lots of dealers getting rid of stock at the moment. I know Visual Apex and a couple others are selling theirs for under 3K new, just need to ask them.




They announced around July & added it to the W11000 in Dec. (overseas version of the HT8050), there's a bunch of news articles if you search for it under the W11000 name. HT8050 got it in Jan, never announced. It's also in the first link I posted where it was confirmed to have been updated under pro's/cons & bottom of page. And further confirmed in their forums. Google translator definitely comes in handy for these sorts of things. Personally, I can confirm it does 3D, but I never use it.

"no HDR ** (via update now available - available in the BenQ W11000A ex factory)"
"none 3D ** (via update now available - ex works in the BenQ W11000A) "

W11000A....same model as W11000 except it comes with updated firmware from factory.

"** Author's note: The BenQ W11000A model supports 3D and HDR. For the older model W11000 there is now an update to make the projector 3D and HDR capable.)"
A brand new flagship model BenQ HT8050 for $2,000 is a hell of a deal.
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Thank you for the input. I never said the HT8050 was $2000 but the price difference between it and the UHD65 is less than $1000. It's for a new unit, not a refurb. I have a wholesale account with an electronics distributor that carries BenQ so I get a little bit better deal than street price but not by much.

The HT9050 was about $5000. The HT8050 was considerably less.
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Thank you for the input. I never said the HT8050 was $2000 but the price difference between it and the UHD65 is less than $1000. It's for a new unit, not a refurb. I have a wholesale account with an electronics distributor that carries BenQ so I get a little bit better deal than street price but not by much.

The HT9050 was about $5000. The HT8050 was considerably less.
My post was in response to Octiny's post above it. Sorry for any confusion.
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You can get an Ht8050 for $2550 refurbished with coupon code shop15, BENQ activates that coupon twice a month for 2-3 days at a time, so just got to look for it. It's working as I type this.

Personally, I got mine under 2K brand new via Ebay. Lots of dealers getting rid of stock at the moment. I know Visual Apex and a couple others are selling theirs for under 3K new, just need to ask them.




They announced around July & added it to the W11000 in Dec. (overseas version of the HT8050), there's a bunch of news articles if you search for it under the W11000 name. HT8050 got it in Jan, never announced. It's also in the first link I posted where it was confirmed to have been updated under pro's/cons & bottom of page. And further confirmed in their forums. Google translator definitely comes in handy for these sorts of things. Personally, I can confirm it does 3D, but I never use it.

"no HDR ** (via update now available - available in the BenQ W11000A ex factory)"
"none 3D ** (via update now available - ex works in the BenQ W11000A) "

W11000A....same model as W11000 except it comes with updated firmware from factory.

"** Author's note: The BenQ W11000A model supports 3D and HDR. For the older model W11000 there is now an update to make the projector 3D and HDR capable.)"
Hi, I'm just about to pull the trigger on the refurb HT8050. I just asked BenQ US support about the 3D and HDR support and they said that the unit is not compatible with either and there are no plans to release a firmware update. I understand that this may be a situation where they just are not aware so I'm still hoping this is true. My question is, where/how did you get this firmware update on your HT8050 and have you tested the 3D and HDR? Your feedback is greatly appreciated. God bless.

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Hi, I'm just about to pull the trigger on the refurb HT8050. I just asked BenQ US support about the 3D and HDR support and they said that the unit is not compatible with either and there are no plans to release a firmware update. I understand that this may be a situation where they just are not aware so I'm still hoping this is true. My question is, where/how did you get this firmware update on your HT8050 and have you tested the 3D and HDR? Your feedback is greatly appreciated. God bless.

It's definently been updated, but mine came it already on it. BENQ when I was inquiring about the projector a few months ago didn't even know the projector existed, at least with the person I talked to. So they dont seem very knowledgeable when it comes to this one at least. Maybe they pulled the updates? Who knows. Hopefully not, because you have to send it in for the firmware update if it doesn't already have it. I would think the refurbs come with the newest firmware installed.
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It's definently been updated, but mine came it already on it. BENQ when I was inquiring about the projector a few months ago didn't even know the projector existed, at least with the person I talked to. So they dont seem very knowledgeable when it comes to this one at least. Maybe they pulled the updates? Who knows. Hopefully not, because you have to send it in for the firmware update if it doesn't already have it. I would think the refurbs come with the newest firmware installed.
Thanks... Now this really gets interesting. If there is a firmware update, I don't want to buy one that hasn't been updated. So can you tell me how the HDR and 3D performs?

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Has anyone been able to find out if the refurbs have the updated firmware.

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I still have not been able to find out if the 8050 has gotten a firmware update.

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I still have not been able to find out if the 8050 has gotten a firmware update.
I notice that DLP 3D glasses are listed as an optional accessory on the refurb page. Seems odd if it doesn't support 3D.
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Having owned both in the past 2 months....HT8050 by a wide margin. Plus they added an HDR & 3D firmware update in Jan. The optics/lens on it is MUCH better than what you get with the UHD65, which is the main reason on the cost difference. It's crystal clear razor sharp edge to edge.

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https://www.projection-homecinema.fr...t-benq-w11000/

If you can get it for a similar price, HT8050 without a doubt.
Do you happen to know if BenQ ever improved the 24p smoothness in any of the FW updates?
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I still have not been able to find out if the 8050 has gotten a firmware update.
I've asked BenQ on two different channels if the 8050 would come with a firmware that allows 3D and HDR and they said it doesn't support HDR or 3D. So, if there's a new firmware for the 8050 then the only way to know for sure is to buy it and test :-/
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Thanks If the refurbished units from benq were updated it could be a pretty good buy especially with the 15 percent off

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@Dave Harper anyway you can find out if this is true? Did the US version of the HT8050 receive a HDR/3d update?

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@Dave Harper anyway you can find out if this is true? Did the US version of the HT8050 receive a HDR/3d update?
Im am looking at the lk970 at the moment. But would also like to know if the firmware for HDR is there. I could use the extra cash to do some more things to my theatre. 🎥
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I am curious to know how far this projector goes? Here we have W1000 listed a 5500 street price and have never encountered anything like 2K with an upgraded A model. For now Optoma is advertising and selling HD65 with a price tag 3000 which to me is already very very attractive

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Having owned both in the past 2 months....HT8050 by a wide margin. Plus they added an HDR & 3D firmware update in Jan. The optics/lens on it is MUCH better than what you get with the UHD65, which is the main reason on the cost difference. It's crystal clear razor sharp edge to edge.

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https://www.projection-homecinema.fr...t-benq-w11000/

If you can get it for a similar price, HT8050 without a doubt.
Hi Octiny. I've looked into it a bit, and I can't find any info on a firmware update that enables HDR or 3D for the HT8050. If you know of a process that does so, please share!

Also, FWIW, I've had both the UHD65 and Epson 5040UB in my theater in the past month and they both went back. I loved the rich, pixel-less detail of the 65, but the screen uniformity and poor lens quality was a killer to me. For the 5040UB, I loved the accurate calibrate-able color and deeper blacks, but the 1080p-esque pixel-filled image bummed me out for the price (I like to sit a little close to my 100" screen). It seems in the 4K PJ world, you either get rich, deep blacks/contrast or crystal clear resolution and detail, but not both for under $5K. I just ordered the 8050 off the Benq site refurbished for $1,650 and I'm going to see if I can settle on it for a while until the right solution comes up for me or I save a lot more $$$!
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Hi Octiny. I've looked into it a bit, and I can't find any info on a firmware update that enables HDR or 3D for the HT8050. If you know of a process that does so, please share!

Also, FWIW, I've had both the UHD65 and Epson 5040UB in my theater in the past month and they both went back. I loved the rich, pixel-less detail of the 65, but the screen uniformity and poor lens quality was a killer to me. For the 5040UB, I loved the accurate calibrate-able color and deeper blacks, but the 1080p-esque pixel-filled image bummed me out for the price (I like to sit a little close to my 100" screen). It seems in the 4K PJ world, you either get rich, deep blacks/contrast or crystal clear resolution and detail, but not both for under $5K. I just ordered the 8050 off the Benq site refurbished for $1,650 and I'm going to see if I can settle on it for a while until the right solution comes up for me or I save a lot more $$$!
Hi wickPHD. I was just curious ow you liked the Benq HT8050 you ordered. I am also considering pulling the trigger on a refurbed unit.
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Hi gomemphis. It's a fantastic projector in almost every respect - build quality, remote, calibration options, sharpness and color are amazing... The biggest drawback I already knew about is black levels. They are worse than the UHD65 by a fair amount.

When I first got it, I threw on my black level torture test blu-ray, Alien, and was shocked to discover the gray screen I was looking at was not a loading screen of some kind, but the actual film playing a black screen! I almost returned it right away, but then I did some more tweaking and found a pretty decent fix by putting it into "Smart Eco" mode on the lamp setting and adding a .3 (1 stop) ND filter in front of the lens. This cuts out half the light overall and the smart eco mode keeps the dark scenes darker while pumping up the light levels for brighter scenes. For my 100" screen, doing this and having it in THX mode is a solid amount of light. Also I turned on Brilliant Color and bumped up the contrast a bit. Then I tried out some brighter content and put on "One Strange Rock" on Netflix. Holy moly, the color and sharpness was on another level! I sit pretty close to the screen and there wasn't a pixel in sight, just a smooth, totally immersive image.

So I've hung onto it for now as my compromise that lands on the sharpness over contrast end of the spectrum. But every time I watch dark content, I'm quietly resolving to find another solution. Ever since being spoiled by a Sony OLED 4K TV, every projector I've tried ends up in a love/hate relationship.

THAT SAID, I've been following the reviews of the HT3550 quite closely and am likely going to order one to compare to the 8050 as soon as it becomes more readily available. It seems to have struck a great balance of decent contrast / black levels with good HDR performance and decent sharpness for $1,500. The new Epson 5050 also looks interesting, but I can't swing twice the price for what seems to be incremental benefit in contrast and potential loss in sharpness. The 8050 looks like a beast and is superb build quality that's sure to hold up for a long time, but if I were you, I'd check out the HT3550 first!

Hope this helps!

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