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post #421 of 866 Old 03-09-2019, 09:51 AM
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I'm not sure the 5050 is worth $1000 more than a 5040. It just a minor upgrade. I'm in a position with my current set-up that I can easily wait a little longer. So, I'm going to wait to see what Cedia 2019 brings. The 5050 technology is already almost a year old.
Ya, well except for that those 5040 units can just be completely dead the next time you go to turn them on...

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When this projector was discussed LAST SUMMER I was 100% in. As soon as it came out this was the upgrade for me. 7 months later I'm now going to wait until CEDIA passes to see what else is announced first.
Cedia is nothing special in my opinion. Every year we get the same eshift outdated technology from Epson.No 4K options with decent contrast available under 3000. Projectors with 4K but abysmal contrast that has not been improved in the dlp category. JVC and Sony projectors which have good contrast and 4k but priced at the $5,000 price point. Rinse and repeat.
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Very impressed with the TW9400’s image with 1080P source material.




Is it worth the wait, yeah I reckon it is.
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When this projector was discussed LAST SUMMER I was 100% in. As soon as it came out this was the upgrade for me. 7 months later I'm now going to wait until CEDIA passes to see what else is announced first.
Cedia is nothing special in my opinion. Every year we get the same eshift outdated technology from Epson.No 4K options with decent contrast available under 3000. Projectors with 4K but abysmal contrast that has not been improved in the dlp category. JVC and Sony projectors which have good contrast and 4k but priced at the $5,000 price point. Rinse and repeat.
4k e-shift has gotten very good. The Epson 5040UB, to my eyes, looks almost native 4k, it's breath taking. The 5050UB will be even better. Nothing to sneeze at, to be sure. I, for one, am glad Epson hasn't gone native 4k, it would majorly jack up the price. I think the 5060 is when they should go native 4k.

Oh, and yes, screw the 4k DLPs, terrible contrast and colors.
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When/where can I pre-order?, I am Red 2 Go! Just finished getting all source components, fiber cables, AVR, speakers, everything 4k/Atmos upgraded. just need this PJ as my trusty 8500ub is ready for retirement

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My wife and I own a JVC RS1, now over 10 years old, so we're looking at a possible upgrade. In short, would the 5050 likely be a noticeable upgrade?


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And another week slip on the epson site promo, 10th-16th now
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My wife and I own a JVC RS1, now over 10 years old, so we're looking at a possible upgrade. In short, would the 5050 likely be a noticeable upgrade?
The biggest difference will be light output which has jumped significantly on newer models.

Of course, the JVC models are still the 'big' upgrade in projectors from the sub $3K forum to the $3K+ forums. So, the 790 from JVC would be a much better upgrade to the RS1.

It could be questioned whether or not the contrast on the new Epson is even much better, or maybe even worse, than the JVC you own.

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My wife and I own a JVC RS1, now over 10 years old, so we're looking at a possible upgrade. In short, would the 5050 likely be a noticeable upgrade?


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I also have a RS1, recently upgraded to a 5040 and couldn’t be happier. I wrote in the 5040 owners thread about how my RS1 still has better black levels but does not show in real world viewing. If anything because the 5040 is so much brighter the blacks look inky in comparison (could be do to the ansi contrast).
Much better processing, color and sharpness on the 5040 also. Big upgrade for me. I couldn’t wait no longer for the 5050, but if you can wait it might be worth the 18 gig upgrade.
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I also have a RS1, recently upgraded to a 5040 and couldn’t be happier. I wrote in the 5040 owners thread about how my RS1 still has better black levels but does not show in real world viewing. If anything because the 5040 is so much brighter the blacks look inky in comparison (could be do to the ansi contrast).
Much better processing, color and sharpness on the 5040 also. Big upgrade for me. I couldn’t wait no longer for the 5050, but if you can wait it might be worth the 18 gig upgrade.
Thanks!

I think I know what you mean about "real world viewing" and how bright areas of the image cause the pupils to close a bit so that dark the dark areas of the image will appear relatively dark or even "black".

We have a 119" Dalite Highpower retroreflective screen with 2.8 gain (which is still in perfect condtion; knock on wood). The RS1 is as close as possible to the screen and is located so that a perpendicular line drawn away from the center of the screen would enter the center of the lens of the RS1 and shoot out the center of the back of the pj.

The bottom of the image of light from the RS1 passes just an inch or so above the top of my head, a bit moreso above my wife's. Our eyes are in the viewing "sweet spot" of the reflected image from the screen, so that image appears much brighter than if we had a say 1.0 gain screen. I can't imagine how bright the image from the 5050 is going to look. We might be able to have a bit of carefully directed ambient light -- say from a small reading lamp pointed downward toward our laps.

Anyway, because the off-axis reflected light (being reflected mostly back to the lens of the projector) is minimal, there is not that much light traveling to the walls, etc. that reflects back to the image on the screen to illuminate what is supposed to be black or at least dark parts of the image on the screen. I assume that that situation would be the same with a 5050.

I'd be very interested to hear about your screen and how a samll amount of ambient light affects the bright image.

Thanks again.
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The blacks on even my cheap DLP look inky with a few bright highlights in the scene.
There is no denying the allure of a vibrant image, but the acid test for bright projectors is being able to reproduce those truly dark, murky scenes.
If Sci-fi and horror are not your genera of choice, then black level is not so important.
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The blacks look inky in comparison on which projector? the Epson? Also, is looking inky bad? To me it sounds decent and ink is pretty dark and if its black you want it dark, I just don't know how to comprehend that description I guess.

I currently have a RS4910, so my plan is either to get a UHD player and a HDFury, or something like it, to convert to SDR. I hear that dilutes the picture somewhat and may make it worse compared to even the blu-ray version. This could hold me over for two or so years to save up for a Native 4k projector, and let them either come up in brightness or down in price. The other option I see is the Epson 5050ub.

I must say I do like the picture the JVC throws, though I haven't tried to calibrate it nor am I in a preferred room, though my theatre should be built in the coming months; after framing my basement years ago I have since had to bite the bullet and hire contractors to build it. I will say though at times the black on my JVC can look very bad, like almost gritty. I may have an issue with my individual unit, and now its a few years old so there wouldn't be a warranty on it.
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Thanks!

I think I know what you mean about "real world viewing" and how bright areas of the image cause the pupils to close a bit so that dark the dark areas of the image will appear relatively dark or even "black".

We have a 119" Dalite Highpower retroreflective screen with 2.8 gain (which is still in perfect condtion; knock on wood). The RS1 is as close as possible to the screen and is located so that a perpendicular line drawn away from the center of the screen would enter the center of the lens of the RS1 and shoot out the center of the back of the pj.

The bottom of the image of light from the RS1 passes just an inch or so above the top of my head, a bit moreso above my wife's. Our eyes are in the viewing "sweet spot" of the reflected image from the screen, so that image appears much brighter than if we had a say 1.0 gain screen. I can't imagine how bright the image from the 5050 is going to look. We might be able to have a bit of carefully directed ambient light -- say from a small reading lamp pointed downward toward our laps.

Anyway, because the off-axis reflected light (being reflected mostly back to the lens of the projector) is minimal, there is not that much light traveling to the walls, etc. that reflects back to the image on the screen to illuminate what is supposed to be black or at least dark parts of the image on the screen. I assume that that situation would be the same with a 5050.

I'd be very interested to hear about your screen and how a samll amount of ambient light affects the bright image.

Thanks again.
That’s funny, we must have been in on the same preorder for the RS1 with Jason and Tryg as the guys with the knowledge on it.
I also had a Dalite Highpower retroreflective with the RS1. It was a 92” pull down (which started to get wavy and was falling apart). I went with a fix frame 100” 1.3 gain UHD screen made by Grandview. The 5040 is also as close to the screen as possible (10’1” lens to screen)
My old theatre was a bat cave. The theater I have now has all white walls and ceiling (which will change soon). I stopped looking at squeezing every bit of contrast out of the projector and just enjoy it 😉
I literally have done nothing to to the settings on the 5040. I adjusted the convergence, sat back and enjoyed. I grabbed me some 3D glasses over the weekend and watch Titanic and Avatar with wife and kids and all I have to say is WOW!!!😮
Some of the material I’m watching from the Apple TV in 4K is also a WOW! There is a night and day difference and spent half of what I spent on the RS1 setup.
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I wrote a Blog post about upgrading from my old 1080p home theater to the EPSON TW-9400 / TW-5050 with the Denon AVR-X3500H receiver.
I'm not an expert so don't expect high level details, but I wrote about some issues I had with my old cables.

I've also wrote about the settings necessary in Windows 10 and the receiver to get 2160p HDR10 with 60hz at YCbCr 4:2:2 to work.
(The technical parts are starting after the "EPSON TW-9400 (EU) / TW-5050 (US)" headline)

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I'd love to see a comparison between the 5050 and a native 4k projector, particularly for gaming and at what distance differences become more obvious. I'm thinking 10 ft from a 100" screen will probably be on the border.

I think I'm all over this pj at around 2500. At 3k it's getting a little close to the Sony 295es (not chump change, of course)
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I was waiting to see what the 5050 would bring, but I'm also having a hard time paying for it vs $2k on the 5040...
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I'd love to see a comparison between the 5050 and a native 4k projector, particularly for gaming and at what distance differences become more obvious. I'm thinking 10 ft from a 100" screen will probably be on the border.

I think I'm all over this pj at around 2500. At 3k it's getting a little close to the Sony 295es (not chump change, of course)
Isn't the 295es $5k? Even at $3k the 5050 will still be much cheaper. That being said the $1000 price difference plus a free lamp is a lot of value for the 5040. I'm still mulling over whether it's enough to gamble on the power supply and forgive the HDMI shortcomings.
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It is 5k MSRP, but if you're ok purchasing from dealers that will go below the Sony pricing it's a good bit cheaper. Still a healthy chunk more than the 5050 at 3k, but also close enough to bring the choice into question (for me).
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I'd love to see a comparison between the 5050 and a native 4k projector, particularly for gaming and at what distance differences become more obvious. I'm thinking 10 ft from a 100" screen will probably be on the border.

I think I'm all over this pj at around 2500. At 3k it's getting a little close to the Sony 295es (not chump change, of course)
I was hoping that @Dj Dee would provide some more details directly comparing the Epson 5050 against the JVC 2k & 4K projectors he has setup in the same room, but so far no info.
Granted, there is a huge price difference between the three projectors, but would be great to see how far (or close) the Epson is to the mark for a fraction of the cost.
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I was waiting to see what the 5050 would bring, but I'm also having a hard time paying for it vs $2k on the 5040...
Just depends on if you can live with the differences or not. Those mostly being the 18gbps/4kp60HDR support, and some minor upgrades to how well the HDR and enhancements work

For me I cant, my player is an nvidia shield and so I want 4k60HDR, and also for a bit of future proofing, but if you dont see a need for it then no need to wait and spend more
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Share another 1080p image, this one from the Hobbit 2 with 4K turned on and image enhancement on preset 4.

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Now that is an excellent image. Contrast adds depth to image. And the sharpness adds realism to the image.
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As per AV Science Store; Epson 5050UB will be available for shipment in April for $2999.00 (price for the 5050UB $3,299). I am planning to place the order this week.

I currently have a Epson 5010UB, which is still working great on my 160" diagonal 16:9 Stewart FireHawk G3 screen (1.1 gain).

My hometheater set up is in my living room (blackout shades) with some ambient light from kitchen most of the time.
I don't think JVC/Sony models would work in my case and I get very good black levels on my grey screen with Auto Iris in normal setting.

I am hoping 5050UB will be a significant upgrade compared to my 5010.

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As per AV Science Store; Epson 5050UB will be available for shipment in April for $2999.00 (price for the 5050UB $3,299). I am planning to place the order this week.

I currently have a Epson 5010UB, which is still working great on my 160" diagonal 16:9 Stewart FireHawk G3 screen (1.1 gain).

My hometheater set up is in my living room (blackout shades) with some ambient light from kitchen most of the time.
I don't think JVC/Sony models would work in my case and I get very good black levels on my grey screen with Auto Iris in normal setting.

I am hoping 5050UB will be a significant upgrade compared to my 5010.

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That's very promising! Was there a specific date in April?
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4k e-shift has gotten very good. The Epson 5040UB, to my eyes, looks almost native 4k, it's breath taking. The 5050UB will be even better. Nothing to sneeze at, to be sure. I, for one, am glad Epson hasn't gone native 4k, it would majorly jack up the price. I think the 5060 is when they should go native 4k.

Oh, and yes, screw the 4k DLPs, terrible contrast and colors.
Having both the TK800 and 5040ub in my house for a few weeks, I have to disagree that it looks almost native 4k. Perhaps at normal viewing distance, it looked almost as good at the TK800 from a resolution perspective. However, if you come anywhere close to the screen, the TK800's resolution was noticeably better than the 5040ub in it's enhanced resolution mode. The TK800 was smooth as silk and gave the same 4K super high resolution look as my native 4K 85" Sony X900F TV. The pixel grid pattern was so much finer on the TK800 vs. the 5040ub that it was no comparison - again this is close up within 3-5 feet. At 11 feet+ on my 135" screen, the resolution of both looked similar, though the TK800 still looked more detailed in some scenes.

With that said, I would say you are 100% correct about the contrast and colors. 5040ub blew it away in both areas. The 5040's picture quality was amazing. When I showed my wife the difference in both, she thought the TK800 was broken b/c the contrast and black levels were so much worse than the 5040's. Ultimately, I kept the 5040ub and returned the TK800.

I was going to return the 5040 and wait for the 5050, but I decided to save a thousand and keep the 5040 and make my next upgrade once Epson releases a true 4K projector.
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That's very promising! Was there a specific date in April?
... except 2999$ price doesn't make any sense. Hard to justify extra 1000-1200$ (over 4010/5040) - only for updated hdmi input.
$2399 or similar - way more fair.
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I'm struggling with the same thing. At 2500 I probably wouldn't think much about it and just order. 3k gives me pause. Maybe I sit on my 40es longer or consider a less expensive holdover till the next round of releases (if there is a less costly alternative that won't make me miss the modest contrast of the 40es).
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Having both the TK800 and 5040ub in my house for a few weeks, I have to disagree that it looks almost native 4k. Perhaps at normal viewing distance, it looked almost as good at the TK800 from a resolution perspective. However, if you come anywhere close to the screen, the TK800's resolution was noticeably better than the 5040ub in it's enhanced resolution mode. The TK800 was smooth as silk and gave the same 4K super high resolution look as my native 4K 85" Sony X900F TV. The pixel grid pattern was so much finer on the TK800 vs. the 5040ub that it was no comparison - again this is close up within 3-5 feet. At 11 feet+ on my 135" screen, the resolution of both looked similar, though the TK800 still looked more detailed in some scenes.
The DLP isn't native. 4x vs 2x pixel shifting, which will be a little sharper and native sharper too. No one will argue different to this.

However unless you are up close, or have an exceptionally big screen, the real world difference is minimal.

Particularly when you don't have a direct comparison.

DLP has a slight sharpness advantage, but loses it big style on colours and contrast.

Natives may be a little better, but the massive extra cost for that "little better" is painful.

Add in the high light output of high mode for 3D and HDR, a switchable filter for better colours and cheap original bulbs...and the Epson really does punch well above its cost

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That's very promising! Was there a specific date in April?
No specific date as the dealer said "sometime in April". If someone waits few months after the release, they may get a small price drop by Epson. I remember all the 5010-5040 models started around $2799 and somehow they are pricing 5050UB a bit higher at 3K. I wonder how much are the Pro versions with free bulb/mount/extra warranty?

It is very tempting at this time to get a 5040UB to save 1K+free bulb, as I never experienced 4K in my 160" screen.

I heard 5040UB lumens exceed the advertised number by 40% which will be helpful in my setup to watch movies with some ambient light.

I wish projector central posts a shootout between them as their previous article Epson Home Cinema 4010 vs. 5040UB was very interesting.


My current setup contains only HTPC (no BD player/cable box etc) with 2 HDMI outs (one goes to Epson 5010 and the other to the Marantz processor). I don't know if 5040 plays 4K streaming from HTPC with windows 10 UHD graphics 630. Any Epson users with HTPC in this thread?
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Having both the TK800 and 5040ub in my house for a few weeks, I have to disagree that it looks almost native 4k. Perhaps at normal viewing distance, it looked almost as good at the TK800 from a resolution perspective. However, if you come anywhere close to the screen, the TK800's resolution was noticeably better than the 5040ub in it's enhanced resolution mode. The TK800 was smooth as silk and gave the same 4K super high resolution look as my native 4K 85" Sony X900F TV. The pixel grid pattern was so much finer on the TK800 vs. the 5040ub that it was no comparison - again this is close up within 3-5 feet. At 11 feet+ on my 135" screen, the resolution of both looked similar, though the TK800 still looked more detailed in some scenes.
The DLP isn't native. 4x vs 2x pixel shifting, which will be a little sharper and native sharper too. No one will argue different to this.

However unless you are up close, or have an exceptionally big screen, the real world difference is minimal.

Particularly when you don't have a direct comparison.

DLP has a slight sharpness advantage, but loses it big style on colours and contrast.

Natives may be a little better, but the massive extra cost for that "little better" is painful.

Add in the high light output of high mode for 3D and HDR, a switchable filter for better colours and cheap original bulbs...and the Epson really does punch well above its cost

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I completely agree. Honestly, no one even comes close to Epson for the price/performance ratio.

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