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"Especially now that HDR10 is the standard. Which is why I put SO much emphasis on HDR tone mapping in my review.



It’s not going to be that high. My eyeball guesstimate when comparing head to head with an HT2050A is native contrast will fall just behind the best 1080p models but the addition of HDR, the Dynamic Black with iris, and the awesome color volume of the HT3550 pushes it’s dynamic contrast or perceived contrast well beyond what that model is capable of.



Everyone needs to remember that the Epson 4010, a projector praised for it’s contrast/blacks, measures the same native contrast as an HT2050A"



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So that BenQ model at 1000:1 native contrast falls right back behind a Sony 45ES at 7,000:1?Numerous people have praised the Epson 4010 for its glorious blacks? None of those statements are true.


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Where is the untrue statement? Everything up there is true.

The Ht2050A measures around 1300:1 native. 2000:1 with lamp dimming. The only instrumented test of the HT3550 so far that I’ve seen claimed 800-1000:1 native and between 2000 and 3000:1 with the iris.

So my statement was spot on. In fact, humble brag time, I wrote that well before any of the tests were made so I’m going to go ahead and take credit for my eyes working well there.

As for the Epson. Ever heard of Secrets of HT and HiFi?
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...jector-review/

“I missed some detail in the darker areas though. That motivated me to try the different HDR dynamic range settings. Auto is the default, but I quickly found that Auto Bright was the better choice. Detail suddenly appeared without increasing the black levels. The 4010 won’t quite plumb the inky depths like a JVC LCoS display but it comes pretty close for a third the cost.”

“It seems that one no longer must spend $5000 or more to get great HDR, rich color, and a razor-sharp image. Budget DLPs win the clarity contest with their single chip designs and lightning-fast DMD devices. But contrast is still king and that is where Epson has no competition in this price class.”

I like that part at the end— price class— mmm context is a wonderful thing.

Or how about projectorcentral?

https://www.projectorcentral.com/eps...010-review.htm

“Though the 4000's overall contrast and black level is highly satisfying and never takes the viewer out of the scene with apparent deficiencies, direct comparisons with the Epson Home Cinema 5040UB step-up model, with rated contrast five times higher than the 4010's, did reveal the limit of its black floor. Still, it fared surprisingly well against a projector that carries a $500 premium. Our shoot-out report will be issued separately.”

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“AT A GLANCE
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Good brightness and contrast
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Blacks could be better
High fan noise with picture optimized for HDR”

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...mDdjz3FhY5u.99

What about the older 4000 that the 4010 is based on? RHT actually discussed how it compared to the much higher contrast Sony...

“After testing the Epson HC4000 extensively, it is easy to give it a recommendation to those after a projector for their home. It looks fantastic, it offers flexibility in setup and installation, and it stays nice and quiet while watching a movie. It is ready for the future with HDR and WCG support, even if you haven’t moved to that point yet but you likely will before you know it.
I only add two caveats to my recommendation. If you only watch 1080p content and never want to upgrade, the Sony VPL-HW45ES offers better blacks and slightly better motion quality for about the same price. It lacks all of the easy setup features like a motorized lens, it can’t accept 4K content and doesn’t do HDR or WCG, but it does look a little bit better with 1080p. Two years ago I’d have probably picked the Sony, but with more content coming out in HDR and WCG now, I would get the Epson.”

https://referencehometheater.com/rev...jector-review/

That sounds pretty far from “abysmal” performance to me.
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I know. I promised myself. I failed. I’m done. Back to the regularly scheduled program. @scottyroo Get your impressions up so I can move on from this petty squabbling!
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Scott, just based on personal preferences, which projector do you like best so far. 5050 or 5550?
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Scott, just based on personal preferences, which projector do you like best so far. 5050 or 5550?


I like both for different reasons. I am going to spend some more time with each and summarize my findings soon
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I like both for different reasons. I am going to spend some more time with each and summarize my findings soon


...and please let us know which has better motion handling. I don't know if I want a "dismal" Epson. I'm used to Kuro Plasma and now OLED.
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Just seeing if there's any news out there? Timeline on release dates? I"m sure everyone is hoping they get the 18gbp port issue corrected...
Just bumping the OP's post as many have seem to forgotten what this thread was supposed to be about. Where the mods at?

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I contacted Epson about my anamorphic lens. They noted that the 6040 and 6050 will support the lens. But damn, they are expensive! If they were native 4k it might be an easier pill to swallow.
I'm pretty sure the TW9400 is set up for an anamorphic lens so maybe this will be one area where the 5050 and it's European counterpart differs.
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So that BenQ model at 1000:1 native contrast falls right back behind a Sony 45ES at 7,000:1?
I'm not doubting the figure for the Sony as I'm sure it has been tested at this but having one and comparing it against the Epson which I know has tested below this figure I found my Epson to be slightly better in the blacks/contrast stakes which is kind of odd.... pleasingly so but still odd.

It might be the fact it's a brighter image and in turn giving the perception of superior contrast ratio but when I view the Epson it's blacks look better,

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This has been a very strange release for the Epson 5050. The European version was announced 8 months ago and released 6 months. The 5050 hasn't even been announced yet by Epson. There have no press releases at all. That normally occurs a few months before the product is available. There has been no explanation at all WHY the American version was delayed. It appears as if it will quietly start showing up but without any formal marketing. I'm not sure how widely available it will even be. I've been an Epson projector user now for many years and this goes down as the oddest projector release I have ever seen.
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This has been a very strange release for the Epson 5050. The European version was announced 8 months ago and released 6 months. The 5050 hasn't even been announced yet by Epson. There have no press releases at all. That normally occurs a few months before the product is available. There has been no explanation at all WHY the American version was delayed. It appears as if it will quietly start showing up but without any formal marketing. I'm not sure how widely available it will even be. I've been an Epson projector user now for many years and this goes down as the oddest projector release I have ever seen.
April 9th is release date. I'm hijacking this odd thread in the truest sense of the word. Now that product is starting to be in customer hands, I created a new thread for peeps to share hands on impressions.

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It was a strange release in the UK / Europe too. Up on the website before Christmas with a few rumours and then Nothing until it hit mid January.
I bet they lost a lot of Christmas upgrades from it.... And never any sort of reason for the couple of months delay!

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Just waiting on my mount.....
What is the claim lumens for the Epson 5050 I currently have the Epson 5040 it was calibrated by Jeff Meier of Accu Cal and the picture is amazing but just like all of us here I'm always looking for the next best thing that I can afford LOL I also like the 18gbs for the 5050 so I can get HDR with Netflix.
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I just got the 12” vantage point mount from Amazon for $60. Infinitely adjustable and solid. It’s a unique mount. Would recommend 10/10

Wow...

@scottyroo ....why? Low cost? For a Epson 50 series the only really decent, applicable choice in a Mount is the Chief RPA357 Dedicated mount. Compared to anything Vantage offers, the Chief is a Cast Iron, totally solid solution geared to match up exactly to the Epson's Feet. Everything else (universals) are both of a markedly higher Profile and not even remotely as well built. Nor will they hold their Position for long, and when they do slip, they are almost impossible to get correct again. Vantage mounts are OK for <10lb that cost less than a Grand. But that's all.



I'm fussin' because I think it a shame that the first member to score a 5050, and who obviously will be looked to for definitive advice and suggestions, would be recommending such a mount as a Vantage for a 5050ub that weighs in at almost 25 lbs.


Budget notwithstanding, the $100.00 difference represents the right choice to make....spending for a large $3k PJ should'nt leave the Buyer scratching around for the pennies needed to purchase a sub-par Mounting solution.


Don't hate me....I hope it serves you well. But I also hope for World Peace and it doesn't look any likelier than a Vantage standing up to the test of time.
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Wow...

@scottyroo ....why? Low cost? For a Epson 50 series the only really decent, applicable choice in a Mount is the Chief RPA357 Dedicated mount. Compared to anything Vantage offers, the Chief is a Cast Iron, totally solid solution geared to match up exactly to the Epson's Feet. Everything else (universals) are both of a markedly higher Profile and not even remotely as well built. Nor will they hold their Position for long, and when they do slip, they are almost impossible to get correct again. Vantage mounts are OK for <10lb that cost less than a Grand. But that's all.



I'm fussin' because I think it a shame that the first member to score a 5050, and who obviously will be looked to for definitive advice and suggestions, would be recommending such a mount as a Vantage for a 5050ub that weighs in at almost 25 lbs.


Budget notwithstanding, the $100.00 difference represents the right choice to make....spending for a large $3k PJ should'nt leave the Buyer scratching around for the pennies needed to purchase a sub-par Mounting solution.


Don't hate me....I hope it serves you well. But I also hope for World Peace and it doesn't look any likelier than a Vantage standing up to the test of time.
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I did not clarify.... I am using that Vantage Point for my smaller BenQ's that I have mounted in the light path of the 5050UB. so I can easily move them out of the way but still keep them mounted on the ceiling. Don't fret!
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The Epson 5050 claims 2600 lumens vs 2500 for the 5040. Not sure how noticeable 100 lumens will be.

Now my 8500ub at 1600 lumens... that's a different story.
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The wireless version of 5040ube had power losses and lapses. Has this been corrected with the 5050ube model?

Since the 5050ub is not a true 4k projector, can a Darbee visual enhancement be used with this projector?
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Is it normal that the release of the 6050 is lagging behind the 5050?

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Up sampling standard signals: DVDs, Cable

What type of HD projector would best up sample standard signals (DVDs, cable) A projector that has shifting pexils such as the Epson 5050ub? Or a true 4K projector like the Sony VPLVW695es?
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I believe a 4K projector would give you better upscale (true 4K and 4K via a 1080p chip with 4x shift is hard to tell apart) epson however is 1080p 2x shift. But with dvd and 480p signals you won’t really get a great picture from either. But 1080p can upscale nicely.
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Is there an MSRP on the 6050 yet?
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I believe a 4K projector would give you better upscale (true 4K and 4K via a 1080p chip with 4x shift is hard to tell apart) epson however is 1080p 2x shift. But with dvd and 480p signals you won’t really get a great picture from either. But 1080p can upscale nicely.
So your saying if someone gets a 4K or 4K with eshift their old DVD's won't look as good? Just wondering. I have an opportunity to get a better 1080p PJ that has a powered zoom lens and would probably get me through till the 4K's come down in a few years. The wife doesn't think so though. I know she won't go for the price of the 5050 that's for sure.

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Some info announced today, maybe more tomorrow?

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