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VIEWSONIC PX700HD : Budget DLP 1080P projector with 16ms input lag

The test of the new Viewsonic projector is online. This is a small 1080P model at less than 500€ (499€) which is perfect for Gamers with a 16 msec lag input.


http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...sonic-px700hd/


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I see you started your own blog, contrats, I will definitely follow.

It seems to be similar to the BenQ HT2050A, a bit cheaper maybe but with lower native contrast (2000:1 vs 1100:1 ?)

I'd pony up the extra 100 bucks or so to get the 2050A (W1200) instead with a much better contrast ratio.
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This looks just like their 4k PX747, which also has 3500 lumens, but this is going for $500. I'm curious how it compares to their 7828 (3200 lumens, $590).
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I noticed one of the negatives at the end mentioned a light frame but couldn’t find the specific complaint in the review. Now 1080p projectors are coming with a light frame? How large is it?

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I noticed one of the negatives at the end mentioned a light frame but couldn’t find the specific complaint in the review. Now 1080p projectors are coming with a light frame? How large is it?
Detailed specs in the back of the user manual state that it uses a 0.47" DMD. TI's smaller 1080p chip was developed for lower cost projectors so performance characteristics may differ from projectors using the larger 1080p chip.
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Detailed specs in the back of the user manual state that it uses a 0.47" DMD. TI's smaller 1080p chip was developed for lower cost projectors so performance characteristics may differ from projectors using the larger 1080p chip.


I have some experience with the .47 DMD (1080p not XPR 4K). While you could technically say it has a light border, the border it has is absolutely tiny. Maybe few pixels wide if that. I can’t imagine anyone finding fault with it. So I guess I’m wondering if this model is different and the border is larger ala .47 XPR? I sure hope not. While I don’t find the XPR light border to be a deal breaker it’s still one of those things that just seems silly. Like: “how was this not addressed in the design phase?” silly. I would rather it not be there and would be disappointed to hear that it was spreading to 1080p budget models as well.

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I’m testing this along with the 2050a. Can’t seem to find any calibration settings for this model. Does anyone have any I can try out?
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I’m testing this along with the 2050a. Can’t seem to find any calibration settings for this model. Does anyone have any I can try out?
Calibration settings are on a case by case basis.
You can try adjusting the greyscale with the Black and White clipping patters:
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How is this when compared to Epson Home Cinema 1060? Its going to be more for Movies. Which one is better?
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How is this when compared to Epson Home Cinema 1060? Its going to be more for Movies. Which one is better?
A DLP would have a better picture quality, but the PX700HD does not have a RGBRGB color wheel.

The Benq HT2050/A, Viewsonic PX725HD, or other RGBRGB color wheel models. Even older/used/refurbished.

How big is the screen, color of walls, seating distance?
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A DLP would have a better picture quality, but the PX700HD does not have a RGBRGB color wheel.

The Benq HT2050/A, Viewsonic PX725HD, or other RGBRGB color wheel models. Even older/used/refurbished.

How big is the screen, color of walls, seating distance?
I have the amazonbasics 100" screen with stand. Viewing distance is around 15 feet from the screen.

Does Epson 1060 have RGBRGB?

Thanks!
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I have the amazonbasics 100" screen with stand. Viewing distance is around 15 feet from the screen.

Does Epson 1060 have RGBRGB?

Thanks!
Epson is 3LCD, not DLP.

Viewing distance to screen is subjective, but 100" from 15' is kind of far.

A very general ratio is 10-12" in diagonal for every foot in distance.

Before a screen size is chosen, the projector should be used on the wall for a few weeks.

Another option is moving the seating closer.

If the seating cannot be moved than a larger screen would be required. For 15' with the general ratio the diagonal would be from 150" to 180".

For that the HC1060 would be better because it's brighter, but picture quality could be better. For a model with a better picture quality look at HC3100 or HC3700.

The HC2100/2150 is somewhere in between the HC3xxx series and the HC1xxx series.

Picture quality wise: DLP projector RGBRGB color wheel (if the screen is not too big) > HC3700/3700 > DLP non RGBRGB color wheel> HC2xxx>HC1xxx.

Refurbished:
https://epson.com/Clearance-Center/H...inment/c/cc301
https://www.benqdirect.com/benq-outl...rojectors.html
https://www.viewsonic.com/us/outlet/...px725hd-s.html

Not sure about Benq or Viewsonic, but Epson does not allow returns of refurbished units unless they're not working properly.
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Epson is 3LCD, not DLP.

Viewing distance to screen is subjective, but 100" from 15' is kind of far.

A very general ratio is 10-12" in diagonal for every foot in distance.

Before a screen size is chosen, the projector should be used on the wall for a few weeks.

Another option is moving the seating closer.

If the seating cannot be moved than a larger screen would be required. For 15' with the general ratio the diagonal would be from 150" to 180".

For that the HC1060 would be better because it's brighter, but picture quality could be better. For a model with a better picture quality look at HC3100 or HC3700.

The HC2100/2150 is somewhere in between the HC3xxx series and the HC1xxx series.

Picture quality wise: DLP projector RGBRGB color wheel (if the screen is not too big) > HC3700/3700 > DLP non RGBRGB color wheel> HC2xxx>HC1xxx.

Refurbished:
https://epson.com/Clearance-Center/H...inment/c/cc301
https://www.benqdirect.com/benq-outl...rojectors.html
https://www.viewsonic.com/us/outlet/...px725hd-s.html

Not sure about Benq or Viewsonic, but Epson does not allow returns of refurbished units unless they're not working properly.

Thanks for your detailed reply. Its not exactly 15'. Its around 13'. I can also move the screen closer if needed as the screen is on a stand.

I will look at different options what I have.
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Thanks for your detailed reply. Its not exactly 15'. Its around 13'. I can also move the screen closer if needed as the screen is on a stand.

I will look at different options what I have.
Use the calculator to see where the projector needs to be placed in relation to the screen:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Ben...ulator-pro.htm

The HC3100/3700 models have more lens shift for greater flexibility.
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Use the calculator to see where the projector needs to be placed in relation to the screen:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Ben...ulator-pro.htm

The HC3100/3700 models have more lens shift for greater flexibility.
Thank you. HC3XXX looks over the budget for me. I am looking to spend around 500. I will look at the suggestions on the order you gave me on your earlier post.
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Thank you. HC3XXX looks over the budget for me. I am looking to spend around 500. I will look at the suggestions on the order you gave me on your earlier post.
In your price range I think the Viewsonic PX725HD with the RGBRGB color wheel would be my choice.

I have had several Viewsonic projectors in this price range and cant say anything bad about them.

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In your price range I think the Viewsonic PX725HD with the RGBRGB color wheel would be my choice.

I have had several Viewsonic projectors in this price range and cant say anything bad about them.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...-thoughts.html
Thanks for your input.

How is the PX725HD compared to PX700HD. The projector is going to be in the living room and its not that dark. 725HD only has 2000 lumens but 700HD has 3500 lumens? Does it make a difference or the RGBRGB color wheel makes a big difference and I can ignore the 3500 lumens and go with the 2000 lumens?
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Thanks for your input.

How is the PX725HD compared to PX700HD. The projector is going to be in the living room and its not that dark. 725HD only has 2000 lumens but 700HD has 3500 lumens? Does it make a difference or the RGBRGB color wheel makes a big difference and I can ignore the 3500 lumens and go with the 2000 lumens?
For your size screen the PX725HD will be plenty bright and will do blacks better than the RGBCYW projector that is rated brighter.

If you really study the differences there are color lumens and then there is overall lumens that contain mostly white. The RGBRGB projector will actually make more color lumens than the one that is stated to be higher. Color lumens is what you want for a home theater projector. Office projectors normally have high white lumens for powerpoint and such. Some they say are crossover projectors and can do HT ok as well.

Of the 3 in the PX class the 725HD is the better at HT. and priced as a great deal IMO.

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Thanks for your input.

How is the PX725HD compared to PX700HD. The projector is going to be in the living room and its not that dark. 725HD only has 2000 lumens but 700HD has 3500 lumens? Does it make a difference or the RGBRGB color wheel makes a big difference and I can ignore the 3500 lumens and go with the 2000 lumens?
What bud16415 said regarding RGBRGB vs. non RGBRGB color wheels.


Projectors and ambient light don't do well, they are for lights off setups. For ambient light/lights on a TV is much better.

Ambient light will wash out the image, with the dark parts the most. The amount of wash out depends on the the source of ambient light and intensity.

The only type of broadcast that can be watched with lights on is something that picture quality doesn't matter that much, like bright cartoons or bright day time TV.
Even so, ambient light/lights must not hit the screen directly:

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Thanks for your input.

How is the PX725HD compared to PX700HD. The projector is going to be in the living room and its not that dark. 725HD only has 2000 lumens but 700HD has 3500 lumens? Does it make a difference or the RGBRGB color wheel makes a big difference and I can ignore the 3500 lumens and go with the 2000 lumens?
To add to @noob00224 post above. Think about what black is when doing front projection. Projectors don’t send out light that is black color they send out no light. So what will black be on the screen? It will only be as black as the white screen looks with the light in the room. The picture he posted points this out nicely as you can see the sides of the screen where the projector isn’t at. That is what the best black will look like.

Keep in mind there are two ways light is in the room. First is the windows and light fixtures and such. The second is the projector shooting light to the screen and then that light (the image) bounces off the ceiling and walls and some goes back to the screen.

So in short best is no lights no windows and then the room painted darker colors that absorb light. Black velvet is even better than black paint.

You can only do what you can do and you don’t need perfect to get an image that is enjoyable to watch. After you spend the $475 that will be the best education on the subject money can buy.

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Thanks noob00224 and bud16415 for all your valuable inputs. I am leaning towards PX725HD as per your recommendations.

I missed the Optoma HD39Darbee from newegg.com for $399 a few days ago. It had only 90 days warranty and I was thinking about it and it went OOS.
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woot.com has it for $459.00 Is this a good price?

https://electronics.woot.com/offers/...f=w_cnt_wp_0_1
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woot.com has it for $459.00 Is this a good price?

https://electronics.woot.com/offers/...f=w_cnt_wp_0_1
We are not allowed to talk pricing in these threads but ask your question here is allowed.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/199-f...l#post59262062

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We are not allowed to talk pricing in these threads but ask your question here is allowed.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/199-f...l#post59262062
Ok I got the PX725HD from woot.com. Will these 3d glasses work with the projector?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-3D-...UAAOSwxaNeOw6J
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Ok I got the PX725HD from woot.com. Will these 3d glasses work with the projector?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-3D-...UAAOSwxaNeOw6J
I believe you need glasses rated as DLP link.

Something like these.

https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Clear-R...s%2C174&sr=8-7

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I believe you need glasses rated as DLP link.

Something like these.

https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Clear-R...s%2C174&sr=8-7
I got the projector yesterday and watched a few movies and it looks amazing.

Can you refer me to a page where I can check what is the best setting to use on different options on the projector? If you can think of any can you let me know as well?

Thanks for your help!!
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You are welcome and I’m glad you are enjoying the projector and the PQ.

Actually my experience with these budget friendly Viewsonic projectors is out of the box they are pretty darn good and require little adjustments other than getting the brightness adjusted and that is something you will play with over the life of the lamp as they dim as they get older. That adjustment is related to your screen size, material and how much light is in the room.

If you want to play with it just go into the menu and remember where the factory settings were. Also the manual is a good source of telling what each is for.

Mostly just enjoy having a great looking large picture at home.
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You are welcome and I’m glad you are enjoying the projector and the PQ.

Actually my experience with these budget friendly Viewsonic projectors is out of the box they are pretty darn good and require little adjustments other than getting the brightness adjusted and that is something you will play with over the life of the lamp as they dim as they get older. That adjustment is related to your screen size, material and how much light is in the room.

If you want to play with it just go into the menu and remember where the factory settings were. Also the manual is a good source of telling what each is for.

Mostly just enjoy having a great looking large picture at home.
So far it is going good. I like the projector. I am running in ECO mode and in normal mode the fan is loud.

I have one question for you. Do you know why this projector is not so popular? Its so hard to find many review on this model. Also when I check bestbuy.com I don't even see a single review.
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So far it is going good. I like the projector. I am running in ECO mode and in normal mode the fan is loud.

I have one question for you. Do you know why this projector is not so popular? Its so hard to find many review on this model. Also when I check bestbuy.com I don't even see a single review.
That’s one of the best questions I have ever been asked here on AVS.

I’m on my second cheap Viewsonic projector and like you scratch my head and wonder why they are not huge sellers. One factor at least here on the forum there are no big influencers like some of the other brands. Then there is little things like Viewsonic goes head to head with BenQ and when something new comes out Viewsonic sets their price point just a smidgen high and then has some small issue like the higher fan dB level on high power. The combination seems to keep people away.

Then when a new technology comes along like 4k coming down in price Viewsonic seems like they want to move the older tech and deeply cuts the price like the model you bought. For me they build great projectors but their marketing is off.

That’s the great part of being a late adopter and the reason I try and hold back and buy the mature tried and tested stuff at bargain prices. Right now the buzz is 4k and HDR and it’s really great at the upper end and getting great down in the <3000 forum. It might be 3x the price of this projector but nowhere close to 3x as good.

The thing for me is I only watch 1080 TV and 1080 BD and 1080 streaming and I feel it looks amazing. All my support equipment is 1080 rated so for me it is a perfect fit.

Enjoy your new projector and don’t tell anyone what you paid for it they will assume much more.
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