Originally Posted by teamrushpntball
Recently moved into a new home and have a finished basement room that is 18' x 20'. No windows, one door to the garage, one door out to the rest of the basement. Had intended to buy a 65" OLED but I think I have changed my mind to a projector.
Usage will primarily be movies (nothing in 3d at the moment), a little gaming (RPG style games, no shooters), maybe some Netflix usage.
Room is fully light controlled, and I will be painting it dark this weekend.
My budget is around $2000 for projector and screen. I'm currently debating between the new budget 4k's from Optoma (UHD60, 51A or 50), the Sony HW45ES, or maybe an Epson model. Any recommendations I've left out, or suggestions if you were in my place on what to do?
Sony HW45ES - Excellent blacks, good contrast, but no 4k.
UHD60 / 51A / 50 - 4k but lacking contrast (loved the look of the OLED with their deep blacks, willing to give some of that up for an ~120" screen)
Was looking at a grey screen from Silver Ticket I think. I use a single bookshelf speaker as my center so it can stay out of the way with my floorstanders right at the edge. Don't think I will go big enough to need the acoustically transparent screens.
Thanks for the input!
1) The CEDIA and IFA conventions happen soon. Delay your purchase and make a choice in the light of new information.
2) Gamers are the most enthusiastic about projectors with the Texas Instruments 4K (or faux 4K) chips. They like the resolution / sharpness boost, and are indifferent to the lackluster contrast.
Some viewers who watch sporting events in ambient light may like the recent DLP projectors too. If you watch in an ordinary room with some ambient light, the best contrast performance will not be discernible anyway.
3) Bat-cave movie watchers have been the most critical of the recent DLP projectors. They prefer the higher contrast LCOS and LCD projectors from JVC, Sony, and Epson.
When watching movies from normal viewing distances, it is difficult or impossible to reliably distinguish between the various e-shift techniques and so-called true 4K. Unless you have an unusually large screen, very good vision, and sit very close to your screen, you may not be able to discriminate between the resolution of 1080P Blu Ray discs and the newer 4K UHD Blu Ray discs. Even if you can reliably tell the difference, you may not think that the resolution bump upwards is significant.
4) I have been watching movies and BBC nature documentaries with an Epson 5040 and a 159" 16:9 Da-Lite High Power 2.8 screen in a basement bat cave room for about a year and a half. I watch from about twelve feet away. Mostly 1080P Blu Ray discs, but some newer 4K UHD Blu Ray discs too. I even watch DVDs. The difference between DVDs and 1080P Blu Ray discs is very easy to see. Even Mr. Magoo would notice and appreciate it. But the difference between 1080P Blu Rays and 4K UHD Blu Rays is subtle.
Many viewers would not notice or care about it. To my eyes, the superior contrast - especially with the BBC Planet Earth II and Blue Planet II - makes the 4K UHD discs noticeably better. Sunlight looks more true to life, and this makes outdoor scenes more realistic. Though with many other movies, the difference is no big deal. For me, the better contrast of the 4K UHD material counts for much more than the slight improvement in resolution. In full disclosure, I am middle aged, wear corrective glasses, and have some color blindness. Younger viewers with superior visual acuity may see a more obvious improvement with 4K UHD films. I got the Epson because it was a wonderful 1080P machine, and the vast majority of my watching is 1080P. The pixel shifting and UHD features were just a nice bonus.
5) If the Epson 5040 projector did not have power supply quality control problems, I would say spend more money and buy one instead of the older Sony HW45. The Epson has a dynamic iris lacking in the Sony, is brighter, and is much more full featured. Maybe the new Epson 5050 model will correct the power supply problem. If the JVC LCOS projectors did not have such expensive replacement lamps, I would say buy a close-out model from Mike Garrett or Craig Peer at AVScience. The JVC projectors have contrast that is a cut above even the better Epsons and Sonys. You would need to spend more than you have budgeted. But not that much more.
6) You are more of a darkened room movie person than a gamer, so get the Sony HW45 instead of one of the DLP projectors if you have to buy now. Better contrast will make more of a noticeable improvement in your viewing experience than better resolution, at least when watching movies.
With games, it might be a different story.
Wait until the next CEDIA and IFA shows before buying if possible.
The harder it is to tell the difference, the less difference it makes.