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Does this projector have support for HLG? Also, what are the lumens for ECO mode?
I don't believe we support HLG. Will double check. Checking on Eco mode.

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I am also curious about the Dynamic mode - what exactly does it work for HDR (and HDR+) in relation to lumens? Is it recommended to use this setting? 12,000 hours of lamp life sounds great!
Dynamic mode simply adjusts the lamp brightness, dynamically.
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I don't believe we support HLG. Will double check. Checking on Eco mode.



Dynamic mode simply adjusts the lamp brightness, dynamically.
Tuan,

Please talk to your PM on this projector and the UHL55. It is extremely important to a Directv customer to have this. It's a form of HDR for HD and 4K for satellite and cable.

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The 3400 lumens is achieved via an RYGCWB colour wheel, per Passion Home Cinema. I wonder if overall HDR colour volume is better off with higher brightness and narrower gamut than sticking with RGB-RGB colour wheels, if the other colour segments allow you to hit yellows and cyans that rec 709 projectors might struggle with.
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Does anyone know the color wheel speed?
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OK, I'm going to ask it. TI only has 3 chips. Two that have 1920x1080 native and one that has 2716 x 1528 pixels. Specs for this projector say .65 chip. Is this using the bigger chip with more pixels, but scaling them at 1920x1080? That would give finer detail. TI did have a .65 1920x1080 chip released in 2006, but old technology. I can't believe they would still be using this chip.
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OK, I'm going to ask it. TI only has 3 chips. Two that have 1920x1080 native and one that has 2716 x 1528 pixels. Specs for this projector say .65 chip. Is this using the bigger chip with more pixels, but scaling them at 1920x1080? That would give finer detail. TI did have a .65 1920x1080 chip released in 2006, but old technology. I can't believe they would still be using this chip.
I don't see how two 1080p chips, both without shifting, would differ in their detail based on the chip size. Contrast, sure, but when you project onto a screen of a fixed size, you only get, at most, the resolution of either DMD coming through. Seems pretty straightforward, no?

Looking forward to contrast measurements on this one, the HD27 according to some google searches I did apparently didn't have a great black level compared to other DC3 chip-based 1080p DLPs, and this one I presume is a rehash of that one with HDR10 decoding and internal downscaling.

I think 4K downscaled to 1080p at the projector end makes sense, and built-in HDR10 decoding too, to avoid any processing losses up-stream, especially if you are using an anamorphic lens where you can benefit from full 1080 lines of vertical resolution.

In the end, all DLPs are linear light modulators, so they aren't actually gamma or PQ-based unlike virtually all technologies out there except for raster scanning laser projectors. The thing that really excites me is 1080p at 240hz, but that requires the 0.47 inch DMDs so you lose a lot of contrast. Still, 240hz gaming would be awesome.
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New Optoma 1080p HDR10 0.65 projector: HD27HDR

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OK, I'm going to ask it. TI only has 3 chips. Two that have 1920x1080 native and one that has 2716 x 1528 pixels. Specs for this projector say .65 chip. Is this using the bigger chip with more pixels, but scaling them at 1920x1080? That would give finer detail. TI did have a .65 1920x1080 chip released in 2006, but old technology. I can't believe they would still be using this chip.


TI has a lot more DMDs.

In the consumer market you’re most likely to come across one of four varieties.

.47” 1080p — used mainly in low cost 1080p projectors like the Optoma 143x.

.47” 4K quad shift — used mainly in low(er) cost 4K projectors like the BenQ TK800 and Optoma UHD51a. This is actually a different chip than the one above and has an actual native resolution of 1200p but only used the 1080p ‘portion’ (which is why all those projectors have a light border). Each of it’s 2 million mirrors are shifted 4 times to achieve 4K.

.65” 1080p — this is the ‘old’ DC3 chip used in more midrange 1080p projectors like the BenQ HT2050A and, well, this Optoma.

.66” 4K dual shift — currently used in mid range to higher end 4K DLPs like the Optoma UHD60 and the BenQ X12000. Has an actual native resolution of 1528p and shifts each of it’s 4 million mirrors twice to achieve 4K.

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I know the drill. Just was wondering if they had come up with something new and better, rather than putting new lipstick on an old bulldog.
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I know the drill. Just was wondering if they had come up with something new and better, rather than putting new lipstick on an old bulldog.

I gotcha.

Still, it’s an interesting product.

You get a tried and true 1080p platform with the ability to accept 4K/HDR content and display it as 1080p/HDR. Since most Blu-ray players fumble the conversion from HDR to SDR (badly) this is an interesting way to get some advantage from 4K content without the cost of actually buying a 4K projector. Of course, if you have 4K content to begin with it probably makes sense to just save up for an actual 4K projector. 4K DLPs have been dropping in price and can now be had for not much more than $1000. But, I guess if you’re shopping for a bright DLP in this price range then the ability to accept 4K/HDR is a forward looking feature and might just earn this model some sales.

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@sage11x : Yup, if it wasn't for the TK800 showing up, I probably would buy something like this since I need all the brightness I can get on my big screen.
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Any more news on this. How would this compare to say HT1070a and HT2050a
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Any more news on this. How would this compare to say HT1070a and HT2050a

I’m curious myself.

It’s not an RGBRGB model so it should be brighter than than either of those models. Still, in their most color accurate modes I might expect the HT2050A to give it a run for it’s money. Non RGBRGB DLPs typically sacrifice a bit of color accuracy/saturation to get the most lumens and the Ht2050A is quite bright in even it’s most accurate picture preset. Of course, the party piece is that ability to accept and display HDR10 which neither of the BenQs, or really any other projector in this price range, can do. Whether or not that translates to a better on screen image remains to be seen. My guess is, like most things in life, it will be a tradeoff (improvement in some areas and sacrifices in others). I’ve yet to see any reviews of this unit... I’d be more than happy to review it myself if Optoma/Tuan wants to lend me one for a week.

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I’m curious myself.

It’s not an RGBRGB model so it should be brighter than than either of those models. Still, in their most color accurate modes I might expect the HT2050A to give it a run for it’s money. Non RGBRGB DLPs typically sacrifice a bit of color accuracy/saturation to get the most lumens and the Ht2050A is quite bright in even it’s most accurate picture preset. Of course, the party piece is that ability to accept and display HDR10 which neither of the BenQs, or really any other projector in this price range, can do. Whether or not that translates to a better on screen image remains to be seen. My guess is, like most things in life, it will be a tradeoff (improvement in some areas and sacrifices in others). I’ve yet to see any reviews of this unit... I’d be more than happy to review it myself if Optoma/Tuan wants to lend me one for a week.
Can't wait for a review. I was thinking of picking up either the ht2050a or ht1070a when I saw this. I imagine the color space should be better since its capable of displaying HDR10 but it will most likely disappoint us. I dont understand why there aren't more 1080p HDR HDMI 2.0 capable projectors.
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Can't wait for a review. I was thinking of picking up either the ht2050a or ht1070a when I saw this. I imagine the color space should be better since its capable of displaying HDR10 but it will most likely disappoint us. I dont understand why there aren't more 1080p HDR HDMI 2.0 capable projectors.

Well, it's sort of a niche.


Right now, projectors do a lot better with 4K resolution than they do HDR. Since projectors have such comparatively low output compared to your typical flat panel and the fact that the vast majority of projectors in the sub $3000 price range have extremely limited color coverage beyond rec.709 means that projector manufactures have to implement tone mapping to make sure HDR content looks good without an over abundance of clipping. Now, I would say that rec.709 is limited enough that any capability beyond it's confines is a good thing but implementation is paramount here. Without proper tone mapping HDR content could actually look worse than rec.709/SDR content. The good news here is that Optoma seems to have done a good job with their 4K lineup so I would expect that experience will extend to this model as well. I'm eager to see this in the wild.

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I’d be more than happy to review it myself if Optoma/Tuan wants to lend me one for a week.
Let me run this up the chain.
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Hope he gets one soon. Cant wait for the review on this one. Seems to good to be true.
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Tuan,

If you (Optoma) are interested in something perhaps a bit more in-depth (from a long time AVS member and someone that has been previously sent an Optoma for testing) I am curious about this unit (being the first of its kind) and would be happy to provide an unbiased review/perspective.

I have all the required calibration gear for a proper review (as well as just about every possible source device, including all current HDR capable gaming consoles, pc and multiple UHD players). I have also recently owned this units main competition... the 2050a.

That said I am also on the west coast (WA state), I recall Optoma HQ being in CA.

Just putting it out there, no worries if you are not interested and best of luck with this model (if it's close to the 2050a but with the additional features you are sure to have a hit).

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Any more news on this PJ? Nearly ordered from Amazon.com but as I'm in the UK would like to see a review first...
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I've looked everywhere for any reviews or other information but theres nothing online.
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I was super excited about this projector until I read the manual, it doesn't appear to support 1080p at 120hz on the HDMI 2.0 input, at least not officially, which is ridiculous since many other 1080p DLPs with HDMI 2.0 do at this point. Still, it might indeed support it so I'm keeping my eyes peeled.
We're working on it and finalizing some testing. It's coming soon. We're estimating input lag at 8.6ms at 1080p120 with Enhanced Gaming Mode On.

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We're working on it and finalizing some testing. It's coming soon. We're estimating input lag at 8.6ms at 1080p120 with Enhanced Gaming Mode On.

Happy Friday .
Really??? :-D

*edit* just read back and reminded myself that BattleAxeVR mentioned frame sequential 3d @ 1920x1080x120Hz. Please make it so! This would be so perfect you have no idea!!
*edit2* And variable refresh rate :-p
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Really??? :-D
I'll be demoing it with a gaming PC at PDXLAN next month, too.
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I'll be demoing it with a gaming PC at PDXLAN next month, too.
Brilliant news, thanks for the update.
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I'll be demoing it with a gaming PC at PDXLAN next month, too.
This pj will have the same limitations with sbs 3d video of the others pj, or can play without problems sbs no interlaced? Sbs 50i or 60i it's no common.
If I understand right even the hd51a and hd51 Alv, have this limitation.

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This pj will have the same limitations with sbs 3d video of the others pj, or can play without problems sbs no interlaced? Sbs 50i or 60i it's no common.
If I understand right even the hd51a and hd51 Alv, have this limitation.

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We support SBS in 1080i50/60, 720p50/60 on the HD27HDR and UHD51A.
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And variable refresh rate :-p
Variable refresh rate can't possibly work on a single-chip DLP projector with a physical colour wheel, because each frame duration can be random, so you wouldn't know a priori how quickly to spin the wheel for that frame, plus you'd have to spin it faster and slow it down on a dime to match the variable frame durations. With a 3LCD or 3LCoS projector you could do VRR, as could you with a 3-chip DLP.
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We're working on it and finalizing some testing. It's coming soon. We're estimating input lag at 8.6ms at 1080p120 with Enhanced Gaming Mode On.

Happy Friday .
Oh wow, thanks Tuan! You're my hero. Thanks for listening to us! That's terrific news. I am really interested in this PJ now, can't wait to see contrast measurements, noise levels, and if it supports HDR10 at 120hz too.

HDMI 2.0 should allow 10-bit at 1080p120 in RGB or YUV 4:4:4, or even up to 196hz theoretically. That's great.
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We support SBS in 1080i50/60, 720p50/60 on the HD27HDR and UHD51A.
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So the Uhd51alv has more limitations with sbs than the uhd51a?
Sbs 1080p24 are impossible to handle, right.?

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We support SBS in 1080i50/60, 720p50/60 on the HD27HDR and UHD51A.
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So the Uhd51alv has more limitations with sbs than the uhd51a?
Sbs 1080p24 are impossible to handle, right.?

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They have the same limitations. SBS 1080p24 is not supported. 1080p24 3D needs to be frame-packed.
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I'll be demoing it with a gaming PC at PDXLAN next month, too.
1080P @ 120hz means it should work with NVIDIA 3D Vision 2...

This PJ just got added to my list... Might end up going with 2 PJs now (This for 3D+gaming and another for 4K TV viewing). If only the lag could be lowered on the 4K models when in 1080P mode (with the extra processing needed for XPR off).
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