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Washed out image almost sounds like the wrong HDMI setting was enabled. Did you switch between full and limited on your consoles/sources to see if it made any difference?

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Let me do some testing. I actually have one in my possession right now from an event. We used it all weekend during PDXLAN showing off 1080p120 HDR with Enhanced Gaming Mode - there was no input lag at all in Battlefield V on PC. The image looked excellent. I'll try other HDR sources and check with my PM to make sure

Thanks for the info you provide here Tuan. Do you happen to know if this model is capable of 1920 X 1080 @120 HZ in 3D?
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Thanks for the info you provide here Tuan. Do you happen to know if this model is capable of 1920 X 1080 @120 HZ in 3D?
Windows detected 3D as a supported mode and let me enable it, but outside of that, I didn't test it at all.
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Washed out image almost sounds like the wrong HDMI setting was enabled. Did you switch between full and limited on your consoles/sources to see if it made any difference?
When I had my unit before I returned it, I went through all setting - limited/full, gamma, presets, etc. I calibrated with Disney WOW and an older AVS set of calibration test patterns. It looked okay, but no "pop" that I have come to love so much with DLP. If this was your first projector or used for gaming only, it would be perfectly acceptable.

I ended up getting a BenQ 1070A as a stop gap until 4k pj's have the features I want. The 1070A is spectacular right out of the box much more vibrant and sharp over the HD27HDR. Where I spent probably a total of 4 hours tinkering with the HD27HDR, I adjusted the contrast and brightness on the 1070A by about five clicks and I have been beyond happy with the results since.

Maybe this one is a firmware or two away from greatness, but I just found it to be a headache and underwhelming.
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When I had my unit before I returned it, I went through all setting - limited/full, gamma, presets, etc. I calibrated with Disney WOW and an older AVS set of calibration test patterns. It looked okay, but no "pop" that I have come to love so much with DLP. If this was your first projector or used for gaming only, it would be perfectly acceptable.

I ended up getting a BenQ 1070A as a stop gap until 4k pj's have the features I want. The 1070A is spectacular right out of the box much more vibrant and sharp over the HD27HDR. Where I spent probably a total of 4 hours tinkering with the HD27HDR, I adjusted the contrast and brightness on the 1070A by about five clicks and I have been beyond happy with the results since.

Maybe this one is a firmware or two away from greatness, but I just found it to be a headache and underwhelming.
Again, your old DLP was an RGBRGB device and this uses an RGBW wheel which boosts white lumens but sacrifices colour brightness.
I just think you were a bit unfortunate as you went the wrong way if you wanted to prioritise colours over brightness. Of course there still could be other issues with this projector, I'll look forward to seeing independent reviews soon hopefully.
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Again, your old DLP was an RGBRGB device and this uses an RGBW wheel which boosts white lumens but sacrifices colour brightness.
I just think you were a bit unfortunate as you went the wrong way if you wanted to prioritise colours over brightness. Of course there still could be other issues with this projector, I'll look forward to seeing independent reviews soon hopefully.
This was also the eighth projector I have owned in the last ten years. I have experienced a variety of color wheels and resolutions. This was just straight up a flat image regardless of adjustments made. I had thought it was perhaps a defective unit at one point, but my thoughts align exactly with BDP33's take on the unit as well.
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I have a question for anyone here who has seen/had one in person, was the color wheel noise unusually loud?

I had the chance to see one in person the other day, and the color wheel noise seemed very distinct and obvious compared to other projectors I have seen.
Was curious if this was normal, or something was wrong with this unit.
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Tuan do you have an estimated release date for the new firmware and how will we be able go download/install it? Thanks for keeping us updated on the upcoming features.
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I have a question for anyone here who has seen/had one in person, was the color wheel noise unusually loud?

I had the chance to see one in person the other day, and the color wheel noise seemed very distinct and obvious compared to other projectors I have seen.
Was curious if this was normal, or something was wrong with this unit.
The unit was not loud volume-wise (ECO mode). It had a high-pitched drone or whine that was annoying to me and my wife, but not a deal breaker. I had it in ECO and Dynamic-ECO that majority of my time with it as normal was genuinely loud.
Hope that helps.
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The unit was not loud volume-wise (ECO mode). It had a high-pitched drone or whine that was annoying to me and my wife, but not a deal breaker. I had it in ECO and Dynamic-ECO that majority of my time with it as normal was genuinely loud.
Hope that helps.
Yes thanks, that helps out.
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Is this the only 120hz projector on the market?
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There's also the Acer G550 coming out soon, with an RGBRGB colour wheel and 1080p DC3 chip, which does, but it doesn't accept nor decode HDR signals (although who knows, that could be added via firmware update, possibly). Lots of gismos got HDR formats added after release.

The only other options are the 4K DLPs which often support 120hz at 1080p, but their input lag is still too high to be considered really exciting purchases for gaming. And also their native contrast is typically lower, although who knows.
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Been researching this projector and I'm coming across conflicting info concerning 3D support.

Does this projector output full frame packing 1080p @24hz?

I'm seriously considering this projector and need to know this.
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Let me do some testing. I actually have one in my possession right now from an event. We used it all weekend during PDXLAN showing off 1080p120 HDR with Enhanced Gaming Mode - there was no input lag at all in Battlefield V on PC. The image looked excellent. I'll try other HDR sources and check with my PM to make sure
Do you have an estimated release date for the new firmware? Thanks for the updates.
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Pulled the trigger on this last week. Got it Saturday and my Philips 7502 4K player arrived yesterday.

Don't ask me about gaming or streaming. This projector will be used only with physical media, namely HD and 4K.

My initial impressions are positive. HD material, once I got the settings right looks great! Bright vibrant colors, decent black level. Contrast and sharpness are all good as well.

With the arrival of the 4K player yesterday, I'm pleased to report that HDR on this projector is AMAZING! It was everything I hoped for and more!

I saw none of the "pale colors, blown out highlights, or washed out image" that others here are reporting, except when I was doing my initial adjustments.

So far, VERY happy with this projector and the Philips 7502!

Watched the following movies in full:

BLU-RAY:
Muppet Christmas Carol
Conan The Barbarian (1981)
Nightmare Before Christmas 3D
My Little Pony: The Movie (2018)

4K/HDR:
Earth: One Amazing Day

Will try and get some screenshots by week's end.
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I will have this pj later tonight and will compare it to the hd29darbee I had and my vivitek hk2299 and post what I see later.
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Tuan what did you find when you did your testing? Been waiting to see what you found!
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Ok, so my initial impressions of this pj are very good, the more I use it, the more I really like it. let's start by the feature list. 1080p 120hz native. will accept 4k 60hz hdr signals. 16ms gaming lag, 3d and 3400 lumens. The contrast is ok, it's what I've come to expect from the sub $700 range of projectors, entry level. this pj is pretty sharp all the way across and top to bottom. there is definitely no washed out pic, maybe the others got bad pj's, I'm not sure. 3d is very bright with no crosstalk. gaming lag is pretty non existent. the pj is very bright. I can tell it is not an rgbrgb color wheel. the colors are punchy and bright, just maybe not quite the richness of an rgbrgb wheel, but close. for the price and features this thing is an absolute steal. This pj if you are a gamer or 3d fan has got to be at the top of your list. I've watched ready player one in 3d along with ghostbusters, played games in 2d and 3d. I did not see any crosstalk or flickering. this pj really is great, I'd put it definitely in the top bang for the buck category. the hdr is pretty good as well, maybe a little bit deceiving on a dark scene with bright hdr highlights, it looks very good and contrasty. If anyone is looking for a first pj to break into home theatre, this is a very good one to start with. I have a vivitek hk2299 also which is an rgbrgb color wheel, so that has a little bit deeper color. That is to be expected. The colors are still bright and punchy on the hd27hdr. I am really really enjoying this pj so far, and have had several pjs over the years.There are a ton of settings on this pj, So many settings, probably all the optoma fans know and are accustomed to. I do like this pj a lot. here are some pics. They aren't the best pics but you can get the idea. this pj is set to out of the box settings, I've tweaked nothing so far. A couple of the pics look blurry, thats my shaky hands holding my phone. not the pj. I'll maybe add more tonight. One last thing, I had the uhd60 and the rainbows where so bad I had to return the pj. I have not noticed rainbows but so slighlty, with this pj on a black screen with white text. So very good with no rainbows also. Someone pointed out the noise this thing makes. It has a high pitched whistle that is irritating when theres no sound playing. It's not noticeable if sound is playing.
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I don't think its a firmware issue. The 0.65" 4K DMD operates at 120 Hz to generate a 60 Hz 4K image while the 0.47" 4K DMD operates at 240 Hz.
I guess I misunderstood what this projector was doing. It must be possible to disable XPR shifting and just run in 1080p natively when fed 1080p input content in 1:1, right?


It's fine if the engineers didn't think about it, but honestly I'd much rather 120hz at 1080p in 1:1 than simulated 4K using a DC3 1080p DMD shifted once diagonally, which isn't going to be that much better than raw 1080p.

HDR at 1080p 120hz would be the ultimate for gaming on. If there'd be a way to use switch to IR-based 3D mode at 1080p in 60hz frame sequential (120hz), on the HDMI 2.0 port, that'd be great.

I guess the 3D capability is via different electronics attached to the HDMI 1.4 ports and not the HDMI 2.0 ports? Because if 4K60 can be passed to this projector on the HDMI 2.0 port, then the same scaler can probably accept a 1080p 120hz signal.

I suppose what I'm asking you is, is it possible to add a 1080p60 frame sequential 3D mode aka 1080p120 to the HDMI 1.4 input? Is it HDMI 1.4a or 1.4b? Either one should support 120hz, although not in 10-bit for HDR10. This is too bad [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]

Can you at least confirm the DC3 0.65 inch chip used here will have 1800:1 or better native contrast?
This projector accepts 1080p 120hz and hdr just fine. All 3 work at the same time. Work quite well also.
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This projector accepts 1080p 120hz and hdr just fine. All 3 work at the same time. Work quite well also.
Great info, would love to see what it can do after calibration.
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Is this projector outputting 120hz with 16ms lag?
Read we need to do a firmware update?
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Idk about a firmware update, but i think with gaming mode on, it's 16ms in 1080p 60hz gaming mode. It may be lower in 120hz. I can tell you lag is virtually non existent.
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I'm good with 16 input lag, just playing first shooter, also need 120 Hz refresh rate as output, but to my understanding it is taking 120 Hz input signal but outputting 60 Hz on screen?
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I'm good with 16 input lag, just playing first shooter, also need 120 Hz refresh rate as output, but to my understanding it is taking 120 Hz input signal but outputting 60 Hz on screen?
I can run the test pattern tonight, I've seen the frame skipping 120hz before, where it takes a frame out but I don't think that's what this pj is doing. the motion is very smooth. I'll test the pattern tonight and see what I find.
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Thanks. I came from monitor, so I don't 120hz refresh rate is the same thing to measure for projector.
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My HD25-LV died this week and I'm thinking about grabbing the HD29Darbee or the HD27HDR. Which one would you choose, which is better?
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Thanks. I came from monitor, so I don't 120hz refresh rate is the same thing to measure for projector.
We should have a new firmware coming soon that'll enable 120 Hz for PC with Enhanced gaming mode for 8.4ms of input lag.
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We should have a new firmware coming soon that'll enable 120 Hz for PC with Enhanced gaming mode for 8.4ms of input lag.
That's amazing, great even got better! I hope you can do something with 3d it would be great to be able to play 1080p 60hz 3d. I have NVidia and 3dtv play is limited to 1080p 24hz.
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That's amazing, great even got better! I hope you can do something with 3d it would be great to be able to play 1080p 60hz 3d. I have NVidia and 3dtv play is limited to 1080p 24hz.
Pretty sure that's a limitation of 3DTV Play due to it being framepacked 3D.
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Hello Everyone, this is my first post. I ordered a 27HDR right before I saw this thread and I admit I was a little worried. I'm coming from a LG PA77U, while not bad for what I used it for. It suffered from a focus problem where you could make the center or edges sharp but not both. It made reading text very tough. My other issue is being new to projectors I didn't realize the LG had a 16:10 format and my screen is 16:9. Changing the LG to 16:9 resulted in the menus being off the screen.

With the 27HDR, I made another rookie mistake. The throw distance is much longer, so I had to remove my ceiling mount and move it back(it just made it). Once I got it plugged in I'm blown away. Straight out the box the image/text is much clearer and sharper than my LG. It's brighter on Eco than my LG on full. I'm very happy with it, I was expecting a washed out look as others have said but to my untrained eyes, it looks fantastic. Can't wait to get everything adjusted and setup.

The Fist pic is of my LG.
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