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Do you guys think there will be a 5050? I've had many Epsons and my 5020 is outdated. I wanted to upgrade to the 5040 but after reading here some of the issues, I wanted to wait to see if there would be a 5040 upgrade.
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Dynamic contrast is just a bunch of marketing bologna. I'm betting this projector is no more than 2000:1 native contrast. And I'm betting the Epson 5050 will be no better than 6000:1 native contrast.
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Do you guys think there will be a 5050? I've had many Epsons and my 5020 is outdated. I wanted to upgrade to the 5040 but after reading here some of the issues, I wanted to wait to see if there would be a 5040 upgrade.
There will be an Epson 5050 since its European equivalent the EH-9400 was already released at IFA. It will be priced at $3,300
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There will be an Epson 5050 since its European equivalent the EH-9400 was already released at IFA. It will be priced at $3,300

Man that's pricey. About $1k more than 4050. But hopefully worth it. If after hands on reviews, show major improvements over the 5040, I'm definitely buying. I just hope it will upscale since I stream more 1080 content than 4k content.
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Do you guys think there will be a 5050? I've had many Epsons and my 5020 is outdated. I wanted to upgrade to the 5040 but after reading here some of the issues, I wanted to wait to see if there would be a 5040 upgrade.

At Cedia they demonstrated what they called an improved 5040 (probably the 5050 but they didn't let you see it up close and had no literature). They had it head to head vs a Sony 4k projector whose model number escapes me comparing the same scenes in detail and color which it did quite well but the main advantage was its brightness...
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At Cedia they demonstrated what they called an improved 5040 (probably the 5050 but they didn't let you see it up close and had no literature). They had it head to head vs a Sony 4k projector whose model number escapes me comparing the same scenes in detail and color which it did quite well but the main advantage was its brightness...

That’s a comparison I look forward to seeing. Did they give you any info on their new pixel shift technology?
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At Cedia they demonstrated what they called an improved 5040 (probably the 5050 but they didn't let you see it up close and had no literature). They had it head to head vs a Sony 4k projector whose model number escapes me comparing the same scenes in detail and color which it did quite well but the main advantage was its brightness...
Did you point blank ask about a 5050/6050 model being released by Epson?

I wonder why the lumens on Sony projectors are relatively low compared to competing Epson projectors. SXRD vs LCD?
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At Cedia they demonstrated what they called an improved 5040 (probably the 5050 but they didn't let you see it up close and had no literature). They had it head to head vs a Sony 4k projector whose model number escapes me comparing the same scenes in detail and color which it did quite well but the main advantage was its brightness...
Did you point blank ask about a 5050/6050 model being released by Epson?

I wonder why the lumens on Sony projectors are relatively low compared to competing Epson projectors. SXRD vs LCD?
No sir I did not. The AVS meet up is taking place at the Epson booth and as soon as it's over in sure those fine folks will have much more info than I...
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… I wonder why the lumens on Sony projectors are relatively low compared to competing Epson projectors. SXRD vs LCD?
Sony projectors tend to maintain color accuracy even in brightest modes while Epson projectors tend to lose color accuracy in brightest modes. Sony could add brighter modes with less accurate colors but chooses not to.
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Will it have a NEW "design" Power Supply unit?

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Dynamic contrast is just a bunch of marketing bologna. I'm betting this projector is no more than 2000:1 native contrast. And I'm betting the Epson 5050 will be no better than 6000:1 native contrast.
I'm only comparing the new stats to the stats of the previous models, as given by Epson. The numbers are only relative. Epson never lists native contrasts. I couldn't care less about dynamic contrast levels myself anyway - the first thing I did with my 5010 projector when I initially set it up was to turn off the auto-iris 10 minutes into my first movie - I hated that dimming/brightening effect. Never used it after that in the 6 1/2 years I've owned it.

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Sony projectors tend to maintain color accuracy even in brightest modes while Epson projectors tend to lose color accuracy in brightest modes. Sony could add brighter modes with less accurate colors but chooses not to.
Where that extra brightness is the most useful and advantageous is with 3D viewing. I'm (still) a heavy 3D user and is one reason I prefer the Epson models over most others.

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Will it have a NEW "design" Power Supply unit?
With an increase in lumens and some of the other improvements, I'm sure the power supply will have to be a bit different. Epson would be total idiots if they continued to use the same 5040 power supply just based on the reliability issues alone - surely they'd lose a lot of their customer base permanently with a decision like that.

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I'm only comparing the new stats to the stats of the previous models, as given by Epson. The numbers are only relative. Epson never lists native contrasts. I couldn't care less about dynamic contrast levels myself anyway - the first thing I did with my 5010 projector when I initially set it up was to turn off the auto-iris 10 minutes into my first movie - I hated that dimming/brightening effect. Never used it after that in the 6 1/2 years I've owned it.
I owned a 6010 and know what you're referring to, they have greatly improved it with the 5040/6040 and I leave it on at all times on my 5040.
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yeah, big shame they didn't at least include the 18mbps to the 4050. Looks like I'll be skipping the 4050 and going for the 5050...
That’s exactly why they didn’t include it in the 4050
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Epson does the same thing other projector manufacturers do so they try and upsell you with features. I've read of Sony projectors where the models are nearly identical except they make the dynamic iris inaccessible in the cheaper one.
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That's what i'm waiting for is the 5050. Now that I know there might be one comming out. But priced at $3300, better hella better than the 5040 for $300 more.
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That's what i'm waiting for is the 5050. Now that I know there might be ine comming out. But priced at $3300, better hella better than the 5040 for $300 more.
$1000 more at current pricing for the 5040.
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That's what i'm waiting for is the 5050. Now that I know there might be ine comming out. But priced at $3300, better hella better than the 5040 for $300 more.
From what I've read from IFA of the European models what would likely sway a person to it is the 18 GB HDMI chipset so one can do 4K/60p which would make it compatible with any 4K HDR streaming service (unlike with the 5040/6040 that requires 24p to get 4K HDR) and perhaps games (I'm not a gamer) avoiding add-on equipment that people use with the 5040/6040 to improve 4K compatibility, also I read Frame Interpolation in 4K which the 5040/6040 don't offer and hopefully a redesigned power supply. They talk about increased lumens but the change is from 2500 to 2600 lumens so certainly not noticeable. Then supposedly some HDR tweaks.

One thing I'll be watching in reviews is if HDMI switching is painfully slow like the JVC projectors that have 18 GB HDMI chipsets. JVC has had 18 GB HDMI chipset for multiple model years and they are all VERY VERY SLOW using the menus at times doing things that are evidently HDMI related. I'm not sure what exact menu items result in the slowness but when it happens it's so long you feel like the projector menuing froze up. It isn't just when switching from HDMI input source it happens at other times when doing things in the menu. Let's see the Epson does the same thing...

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$1000 more at current pricing for the 5040.
Oh my. I just looked. You're right. I thought the 5040 was still close to $3k. Hmm. That's a big price increase.
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From what I've read from IFA of the European models what would likely sway a person to it is the 18 GB HDMI chipset so one can do 4K/60p which would make it compatible with any 4K HDR streaming service (unlike with the 5040/6040 that requires 24p to get 4K HDR) and perhaps games (I'm not a gamer) avoiding add-on equipment that people use with the 5040/6040 to improve 4K compatibility, also I read Frame Interpolation in 4K which the 5040/6040 don't offer and hopefully a redesigned power supply. They talk about increased lumens but the change is from 2500 to 2600 lumens so certainly not noticeable. Then supposedly some HDR tweaks.
Well those are some pretty awesome specs. To be honest.
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I didn't know about 18gb chipset lag. Hadn't heard about it, I will do some reading. Sounds interesting and something to keep an eye on.
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What's the source for that $3,300 estimate?
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I didn't know about 18gb chipset lag. Hadn't heard about it, I will do some reading. Sounds interesting and something to keep an eye on.
Yeah you have to be careful what you wish for. My previous JVC with 18 GPS HDMI inputs took up to 30 seconds to show an image when switching channels. It was highly annoying.
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"The PRO-UHD 3LCD chip promises improved pixel shifting, enhancing the resolution even further than what the 5040UB is capable of. Before you ask – no, the Pro Cinema 4050 is not replacing the HC5040UB, but rather, is expanding on Epson’s already-impressive lineup of 4K capable projectors."
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https://www.projectorreviews.com/art...at-cedia-2018/


"The PRO-UHD 3LCD chip promises improved pixel shifting, enhancing the resolution even further than what the 5040UB is capable of. Before you ask – no, the Pro Cinema 4050 is not replacing the HC5040UB, but rather, is expanding on Epson’s already-impressive lineup of 4K capable projectors."
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Yeah you have to be careful what you wish for. My previous JVC with 18 GPS HDMI inputs took up to 30 seconds to show an image when switching channels. It was highly annoying.
Hmm. Interesting. Thank you. By switching channels, do you mean like say dvd to cable to blu ray as in the inputs on the back or even changing movies or tv channels?
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Epson 5050 with MSRP $3.300??
JVC will keep their RS540/X790 for next year with a reduced MSRP of $3.999, becoming their new entry model.

That's a no brainer to me

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1.2 million:1 contrast


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Epson 5050 with MSRP $3.300??
JVC will keep their RS540/X790 for next year with a reduced MSRP of $3.999, becoming their new entry model.

That's a no brainer to me
Is the JVC worth $700 more?
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Is the JVC worth $700 more?
If your priority is watching movies in a dark room then the answer is yes. There is a discernible gap in image quality between the Epson 5 series and JVC's entry level 4 Series.
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