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If your priority is watching movies in a dark room then the answer is yes. There is a discernible gap in image quality between the Epson 5 series and JVC's entry level 4 Series.



Well that's the issue many of us have, while there's is no disputing the JVC's picture quality in a cave, yet put just a little ambient light in social situation like watching football or with friends and the JVC simply can't produce an acceptable picture IMO. It would be wonderful to have a projector that could achieve both levels of excellence in a dark room and with a good amount of ambient light, but I've come to realize that this is just not yet possible, at least at this price point.
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What's the source for that $3,300 estimate?
OK, I see the $3,300 pricing for the anticipated 5050UB was mentioned earlier in this thread by @hifiheaven so we'll have to wait for him to explain where he got that estimate.

Now let's look at some real, officially announced pricing. Epson announced the msrp of the new Pro Cinema 4050 at $2,399. The Pro Cinema 4050 is the direct replacement for the Pro Cinema 4040 which has a current official msrp of $2,699. So in fact Epson has lowered the msrp of this model by $300 despite adding a number of improvements.

The anticipated Home Cinema 5050UB will be the direct replacement for the Home Cinema 5040UB which has a current official msrp of $2,499. It's highly unlikely that Epson will raise the msrp of the 5050UB by $800 after lowering the msrp of the 4050 by $300.
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If your priority is watching movies in a dark room then the answer is yes. There is a discernible gap in image quality between the Epson 5 series and JVC's entry level 4 Series.
And a discernible price difference in the cost of replacement lamps, JVC consistently GOUGES on replacement lamps compared to other manufacturers like Epson.
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just saw the New Epson Pro Cinema 4050 at the EPSON AVS Forum meet up and it was awesome!!! I believe it is the best projector at it's price point. One of the best at rendering HDR content. Also, congrats to Epson for giving one away at the meet up. Scotty was the winner!!!
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Now let's look at some real, officially announced pricing. Epson announced the msrp of the new Pro Cinema 4050 at $2,399. The Pro Cinema 4050 is the direct replacement for the Pro Cinema 4040 which has a current official msrp of $2,699. So in fact Epson has lowered the msrp of this model by $300 despite adding a number of improvements.

number of improvements...yet to be determined.
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If your priority is watching movies in a dark room then the answer is yes. There is a discernible gap in image quality between the Epson 5 series and JVC's entry level 4 Series.
And this is not even the entry level JVC, but the 7-series,or RS540😊
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And a discernible price difference in the cost of replacement lamps, JVC consistently GOUGES on replacement lamps compared to other manufacturers like Epson.
Can't argue with that. I have an Epson 2150 soley to save bulb hours on my JVC...
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Does anyone remember the gap between the announcement of the 4040 and the 4000 last time around? I have a TK800 but I'm still very interested in replacing it with a 4000 or its successor (mostly for motorized zoom but also for improved blacks)... but I'd probably take a deal on a discontinued 4000 over retail for a successor since it looks to still be a 10gbps HDMI chipset.
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number of improvements...yet to be determined.
True, so far the only "improvements" are in the specs and marketing description. Independent testing will determine the actual difference in performance between the 4040 and 4050. The biggest measurable improvement right now is the $300 reduction in msrp.
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It looks as if the replacement for the Home Cinema 4000 is the Home Cinema 4010. While there's no link to it yet on the Epson website you can sneak in the back door by doing a web search for Epson Home Cinema 4010 and the first hit leads to the following link:

epson.com/Support/Projectors/Cinema-Series/Epson-Home-Cinema-4010/s/SPT_V11H932020#manuals
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It looks as if the replacement for the Home Cinema 4000 is the Home Cinema 4010. While there's no link to it yet on the Epson website you can sneak in the back door by doing a web search for Epson Home Cinema 4010 and the first hit leads to the following link:



epson.com/Support/Projectors/Cinema-Series/Epson-Home-Cinema-4010/s/SPT_V11H932020#manuals


Hopefully msrp $1999. Street price $1700.


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Hopefully msrp $1999. Street price $1700.
If you do a web search for Epson Home Cinema 4010 you will see that one vendor is already advertising it. With brand new projector models early street price is usually the same as msrp. Street price doesn't go down until supply starts exceeding demand.
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And this is not even the entry level JVC, but the 7-series,or RS540😊

I'm hoping the 5050 closes the gap a bit.

How do those JVCs handle HDR? Are they bright enough?

What's the input lag on each?

I've heard that despite having better black levels, they crush blacks compared to the 5040....true?

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No 18Gbps HDMI, what's the point? Trash.
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No 18Gbps HDMI, what's the point? Trash.

Wait for 5050
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Wait for 5050
Where is it? It was shown at IFA, was't that the 9400?

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I'm hoping the 5050 closes the gap a bit.

How do those JVCs handle HDR? Are they bright enough?

What's the input lag on each?

I've heard that despite having better black levels, they crush blacks compared to the 5040....true?
Very much untrue. The only time a high contrast JVC unit has that issue is if someone does not set the gamma curves correctly.
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Where is it? It was shown at IFA, was't that the 9400?
An HT installer told me today that he heard the Epson 5050 will not be released until the summer of 2019. If that is true it would be the ultimate buzzkill.
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Very much untrue. The only time a high contrast JVC unit has that issue is if someone does not set the gamma curves correctly.
I read that he thought the JVC was better.

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And HT installer told me today that he heard the Epson 5050 will not be released until the summer of 2019. If that is true that will the an ultimate buzzkill.
So they just don't want to be competitive right now with Sony and JVC? 200,000 contrast ratio doesn't equal my 7 year old Panasonic
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Where is it? It was shown at IFA, was't that the 9400?
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An HT installer told me today that he heard the Epson 5050 will not be released until the summer of 2019. If that is true that will be the ultimate buzzkill.
The TW9400 and 5050 are the same PJ. This press release says the 9400 will be available in Europe in Nov 2018. I assume the 5050 will available in the US around the same timeframe.

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...eurs-ifa-2018/
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The TW9400 and 5050 are the same PJ. This press release says the 9400 will be available in Europe in Nov 2018. I assume the 5050 will available in the US around the same timeframe.

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...eurs-ifa-2018/
That makes a lot more sense than summer of 2019.
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The TW9400 and 5050 are the same PJ. This press release says the 9400 will be available in Europe in Nov 2018. I assume the 5050 will available in the US around the same timeframe.

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...eurs-ifa-2018/
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That makes a lot more sense than summer of 2019.
I don’t know. Knowing my luck, it will be summer 2019. It’s very very strange that they did not reveal it at Cedia.
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I don’t know. Knowing my luck, it will be summer 2019. It’s very very strange that they did not reveal it at Cedia.
I haven't seen anything about Epson revealing the Home Cinema 4010 at CEDIA but it's already being advertised by at least one vendor.
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I read that he thought the JVC was better.
Viche has been asking that same question for over a year. Go back and look at the Epson 5040 versus JVC RS400 thread and he asked
the same question there on March 19th, 2017. He has also made the same baseless statement in numerous threads across AVS for over a year and a half now. I don't think he has any real interest in purchasing a unit from JVC or Epson.

And it is safe to assume he will never make any effort to see either one.

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I haven't seen anything about Epson revealing the Home Cinema 4010 at CEDIA but it's already being advertised by at least one vendor.
...and another in Canada.
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Viche has been asking that same question for over a year. Go back and look at the Epson 5040 versus JVC RS400 thread and he asked
the same question there on March 19th, 2017. He has also made the same baseless statement in numerous threads across AVS for over a year and a half now. I don't think he has any real interest in purchasing a unit from JVC or Epson.

And it is safe to assume he will never make any effort to see either one.
Whoah whoah whoah...you’re outa line friend. My posts and I are an open book. Don’t go accusing me of being some sort of mole with an agenda.

I’ve been researching projectors for over a decade (along with just about every other home theater component - a few of which I’ve purchased or upgraded within the last year ). Is there a rule against being a thorough researcher or a question asker? I have every intention of buying a projector when I find one that meets my needs and budget. The Epsons are in the lead as being the best bang for the buck right now, and I will probably buy one if they release an 18 Gbps capable unit and the price dips below 3k, but I am completely open to other options.

If you read those earlier threads, you will see that at least one other JVC owner admitted to great blacks at the expense of some crush. Crush, price (and price of bulbs), and input lag are my biggest hesitations, so I will continue to ask about those things at critical junctures, like Cedia, when new projectors are released to see if new models, firmware updates, or user experiences have changed.

Also, I would LOVE to see these projectors in person, but I have no options other than Magnolia with it’s poor set up and horrible lighting.

So please chill.
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Whoah whoah whoah...you’re outa line friend. My posts and I are an open book. Don’t go accusing me of being some sort of mole with an agenda.

I’ve been researching projectors for over a decade (along with just about every other home theater component - a few of which I’ve purchased or upgraded within the last year ). Is there a rule against being a thorough researcher or a question asker? I have every intention of buying a projector when I find one that meets my needs and budget. The Epsons are in the lead as being the best bang for the buck right now, and I will probably buy one if they release an 18 Gbps capable unit and the price dips below 3k, but I am completely open to other options.

If you read those earlier threads, you will see that at least one other JVC owner admitted to great blacks at the expense of some crush. Crush, price (and price of bulbs), and input lag are my biggest hesitations, so I will continue to ask about those things at critical junctures, like Cedia, when new projectors are released to see if new models, firmware updates, or user experiences have changed.

Also, I would LOVE to see these projectors in person, but I have no options other than Magnolia with it’s poor set up and horrible lighting.

So please chill.
I agree re: demoing projectors at Magnolia, tiny screens, difficult to get them to lower all lights and poorly setup projectors sometimes with lamps with a ton of hours on them. I trust AVSForum comments and reviews more than seeing a demo in Magnolia. Every time I buy a projector I take a close look at Epson, Sony and JVC but often like you point out Epson provides the best bang for the buck. Sony plays games like crippling dynamic iris on the versions that are in the price range of the Epson, JVC has INSANELY priced bulbs and Epson provides lens memory which is a requirement for my CIH home theater. This is why I'm a current 5040 owner...
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Dynamic contrast is just a bunch of marketing bologna. I'm betting this projector is no more than 2000:1 native contrast. And I'm betting the Epson 5050 will be no better than 6000:1 native contrast.

6000:1 isn't too shabby, but obviously can't compete with the JVC's. I agree that the 4050 will be in the range you said. HDR doesn't mean anything to me without the 'bottom end' (AKA deep blacks) enhancing the experience.



I get so confused when projectors are touted as HDR, yet lack the proper native constrats. You need ultra high brightness AND deep blacks to achieve the proper contrast difference.
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I just returned home from CEDIA and wanted to comment that I was very impressed with the 4050 at the demo I saw. It was very bright and seemed to render HDR really well. The black levels weren’t as good as the 6040 they also had on display but the colors seemed more accurate. It’s a shame about the limited HDMI bandwidth but other than that I would buy it over the 5040/6040 if I was in the market for an Epson. If you have a limited budget and are not interested in 4K gaming it should be considered.


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