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New Epson Pro Cinema 4050

More About the Pro Cinema 4050
Designed to deliver vivid imagery and crystal-clear pictures, the Pro Cinema 4050 touts an incredible 2,400 lumens of equal color and white brightness3, contrast ratio up to 200,000:1 and HDR102. Its expansive color gamut displays the entire DCI-P3 color space4 and Epson’s advanced state-of-the-art 15-element glass projection lens displays a bright, uniform image with virtually no hot spots or chromatic aberration. In addition, a wide lens shift range offers exceptional installation flexibility, with the Pro Cinema 4050 delivering a ± 96 percent on the horizontal axis and ± 47 percent vertical axis. This premium projector also includes a 12-bit digital processing chip with Frame Interpolation and proprietary Advanced Motion Control for smooth, crisp transitions between scenes.
Additional features include:
  • HDR High Dynamic Range and Rich Black Contrast — full 10-bit color output2 and a contrast ratio up to 200,000:1 deliver an extraordinary range of color and detail in both bright and dark scenes
  • Advanced 3-Chip, 3LCD Technology — sophisticated parallel pixel processing and a state-of-the-art 3-chip architecture deliver amazing color accuracy, color brightness and color gamut
  • Epson’s Advanced Projection Lens — state-of-the-art 15-element glass projection lens displays a bright, uniform image with virtually no hot spots or chromatic aberration
  • L*a*b* Ultra Wide Color Gamut — delivers 100% of the 3-dimensional DCI-P3 color gamut4, the digital cinema standard, with 50% wider color gamut than Rec. 709
  • 3-Axis Precision Motor — for powered focus, 2.1x zoom, up to ± 96% horizontal and up to ± 47% vertical lens shift, and 10 preset positions
  • Delta Level Color Accuracy — low Delta E, for extremely accurate color reproduction
  • 100% Balanced Color and White Brightness — 2,400 lumens of color and 2,400 lumens of white brightness3 for vibrant, rich color
  • Smooth, Crisp Images and Transitions — 12-bit digital color processing chip with Frame Interpolation and proprietary Advanced Motion Control
  • No Color Wheel — images are free from any distracting rainbow effect; balanced color and white brightness means no white segments
  • Pro Cinema Kit – Features a three-year limited warranty (90 days on lamps), a ceiling mount, cable cover, and extra lamp for added installation flexibility.
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How does this compare to the 5040?
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Anyone at CEDIA able to ask about 3D support for this model? I don't see it anywhere on the press release.
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I wonder what this "Epson’s new 4K PRO-UHD technology" they talk about in the press release is.

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I just got an email from an Epson representative with the press release info for the 4050. I'd love to get my hands on one for review. I did reply and ask if the 4k Enhancement Technology differs from the existing 5040ub.
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Did I read the release right? A 2.1 : 1 throw?!?


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In for info! Wondering how it compares to the 5040 since they are now the same price.

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I don't see any mention of bandwidth. Will it be able to handle the full 18gbps needed for 4k, HDR, 60fps? Or will it be neutered like the 5040? That is my main disappointment of the 5040.
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I don't see any mention of bandwidth. Will it be able to handle the full 18gbps needed for 4k, HDR, 60fps? Or will it be neutered like the 5040? That is my main disappointment of the 5040.
Same here and why I waited for CEDIA.

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Here are the specs for the previous HC4000:

Epson PRO-UHD with 4K Enhancement Technology1 — accepts 4K UHD content and upscales non-4K content to deliver amazing lifelike images with resolution that exceeds Full HD
Advanced 3-Chip Design — 3LCD technology ensures no color wheels, no white segments and no rainbow artifacts
HDR102 High Dynamic Range and Rich Black Contrast — full 10-bit color output and a contrast ratio up to 140,000:1 deliver an extraordinary range of color and detail in both bright and dark scenes
L*a*b* Ultra Wide Color Gamut — delivers 100% of the 3 dimensional DCI-P3 color gamut3, the digital cinema standard, with 50% wider color gamut than Rec. 709
100% Balanced Color Brightness — 2,200 lumens of equal color and white brightness4 for vibrant, rich color, even in rooms with ambient light
3-Axis Precision Motorized E-Series Lens — state-of-the-art glass elements optimized for 4K content; with powered focus, 2.1x zoom, up to ± 96% horizontal and up to ± 47% vertical lens shift, and 10 preset positions
Delta Level color accuracy — Low Delta E, for extremely accurate color reproduction
Smooth, Crisp Images — with Image Enhancement and Frame Interpolation


So what's in the 4050 compared to the 4000 for $800 more:
12 bit processing
200 more lumens
Increase in contrast from 140000 to 200000:1

That's it. And yes it's that simple. I am going to keep harping on this because they are turning into Sony with their pricing, which is bs. If they would have threw in the 18Gbps HDMI and a $1999 price tag, I could understand that.

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Well it's the pro line so that MSRP also includes a mount and spare bulb.

Street price on Epson means this will be closer to $2K and it's not a bad option for somebody on a $2K budget but I would like to confirm native contrast, lens shift (how flexible), does it have lens memory, and is it 18GBPS?
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I broke this news over in the 5040/6040 thread this morning. There's more discussion over there if you want to check it out.


According to Projector Central, the 4050 will have:

Automated Lens Memory for CIH installations
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...PRO-UHD.htm?em


Why Epson's page doesn't list it, I'm Not sure.
https://epson.com/For-Home/Projector...p/V11H932120MB
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I broke this news over in the 5040/6040 thread this morning. There's more discussion over there if you want to check it out.


According to Projector Central, the 4050 will have:

Automated Lens Memory for CIH installations
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...PRO-UHD.htm?em


Why Epson's page doesn't list it, I'm Not sure.
https://epson.com/For-Home/Projector...p/V11H932120MB
Nice. So lens memory, new pixel shifting, 3D support, lots of lens shift, etc, should be bright for HDR. Seems like a good value in this price range as long as the contast is decent.
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The 5040 replacement has 18gbps of bandwidth.

https://homecinemamagazine.net/epson...0w-projectors/


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Just watched a demo here at Cedia. Pretty impressive projector for the price ($2400). Clearly aimed at the Dlp 4k models and from what I've seen probably better than the low cost DLP's.
Good color, handles motion very well, lots of detail, lacks the pop of the JVC NX7 I saw here (naturally). Blacks will not challenge the JVC's but much, much better than the LG portable 4k here at the show. Includes extra bulb!
I think it will be a big hit!
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Nice. So lens memory, new pixel shifting, 3D support, lots of lens shift, etc, should be bright for HDR. Seems like a good value in this price range as long as the contast is decent.

Not sure about lens memory yet. Conflicting info on that one so far.


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The 5040 replacement has 18gbps of bandwidth.

https://homecinemamagazine.net/epson...0w-projectors/

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Those aren't necessarily the 4050 though. I'm hoping that the 5050/6050 announcement is just around the corner



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Images won't display for me. Can you ask them about lens memory and when the real 5040/6040 successors are coming?
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From what I am reading on Epson's web site, it does have powered lens and lens memory

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And please ask about 18gbs HDMI bandwidth!!
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Just watched a demo here at Cedia. Pretty impressive projector for the price ($2400). Clearly aimed at the Dlp 4k models and from what I've seen probably better than the low cost DLP's.
Good color, handles motion very well, lots of detail, lacks the pop of the JVC NX7 I saw here (naturally). Blacks will not challenge the JVC's but much, much better than the LG portable 4k here at the show. Includes extra bulb!
I think it will be a big hit!
Sounds like another low contrast alternative to DLP. No thank you.
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Sounds like another low contrast alternative to DLP. No thank you.
I think it's a step up from the entry level 4k DLP's but I would need to see more demos than the Infinity War demo they were showing...

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I broke this news over in the 5040/6040 thread this morning. There's more discussion over there if you want to check it out.


According to Projector Central, the 4050 will have:

Automated Lens Memory for CIH installations
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...PRO-UHD.htm?em


Why Epson's page doesn't list it, I'm Not sure.
https://epson.com/For-Home/Projector...p/V11H932120MB


The link you provided says this is a replacement for the PRO 6040ub and NOT the PRO 4040? That’s a typo right? I wonder if this has the ub panels or the lower contrast panels?

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The link you provided says this is a replacement for the PRO 6040ub and NOT the PRO 4040? That’s a typo right? I wonder if this has the ub panels or the lower contrast panels?


No idea.


Did they compare it to the 6040 just to make it look like a steal since the feature set is so similar, or because is it truly the 5040/6040 replacement? I'm hoping that their strategy is to say that the 4050 is almost as good as the 5040/6040 and so is replacing that line, while the 5050/6050 (yet to be announced) is a whole new level of performance.
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The Euro version of the new 4000/4050 (TW7400) does not have 18gbps capability, only the euro version of the 5050 (TW9400) has it, so I would assume same for the US models. I'm waiting for the 5050 announcement, as I have a failing 5010 right now and need to upgrade very soon. The TW7400 release date is October and the TW9400 is November, so that will probably be similar here too. The TW9400 specs include 2600 lumen, 1.2M:1 contrast, 18gbps, and HLG support as upgrades from the 5040, so again I would expect the same.
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The Euro version of the new 4000/4050 (TW7400) does not have 18gbps capability, only the euro version of the 5050 (TW9400) has it, so I would assume same for the US models. I'm waiting for the 5050 announcement, as I have a failing 5010 right now and need to upgrade very soon. The TW7400 release date is October and the TW9400 is November, so that will probably be similar here too. The TW9400 specs include 2600 lumen, 1.2M:1 contrast, 18gbps, and HLG support as upgrades from the 5040, so again I would expect the same.
1.2 million:1 contrast
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Brochure. Salesman says 10mbs

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Here is a look at the TW7400 and TW9400 at the IFA show last week. In German, but just turn on CC and set auto-translate to English before playing.



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As opposed to the 1M:1 contrast for the 5040 - dynamic, not native, of course. So a slight improvement over whatever it actually was.

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yeah, big shame they didn't at least include the 18mbps to the 4050. Looks like I'll be skipping the 4050 and going for the 5050...

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Here is a look at the TW7400 and TW9400 at the IFA show last week. In German, but just turn on CC and set auto-translate to English before playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12EeUb3wAWI




As opposed to the 1M:1 contrast for the 5040 - dynamic, not native, of course. So a slight improvement over whatever it actually was.
Dynamic contrast is just a bunch of marketing bologna. I'm betting this projector is no more than 2000:1 native contrast. And I'm betting the Epson 5050 will be no better than 6000:1 native contrast.
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