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I am actually thinking about bean bags, or similar, to get into a reclined position under the image. However, to get the 90 degree angle I would need a short throw projector. I haven't seen a lot of short throw LCDs on the market. Any specific model you would recommend?
Short throw is also a relative term. What do you reckon the distance is that you require?



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Yes, the logical place to start is www.Epson.com . The Epson Powerlite 685W - Powerlite 675W are ultra short throw. MSRP is over $1K while street pricing gets you to ~ $1K.

The Powerlite 535W is a short throw unit. There are others depending on what your particulars are like the BrightLink 5XX series.

Sony has the LSPX-P1 based on SXRD™ technology.


You can also take a look at some vendors for information...

http://www.visualapex.com/Epson/Proj...PowerLite-675W
http://www.visualapex.com/Epson/Proj...PowerLite-685W
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A subjective position at best I think...





Short throw is also a relative term. What do you reckon the distance is that you require?





Yes, the logical place to start is www.Epson.com . The Epson Powerlite 685W - Powerlite 675W are ultra short throw. MSRP is over $1K while street pricing gets you to ~ $1K.

The Powerlite 535W is a short throw unit. There are others depending on what your particulars are like the BrightLink 5XX series.

Sony has the LSPX-P1 based on SXRD™ technology.


You can also take a look at some vendors for information...

http://www.visualapex.com/Epson/Proj...PowerLite-675W
http://www.visualapex.com/Epson/Proj...PowerLite-685W
Many thanks! I will have a closer look tonight.

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Yes, thats a little steep. Due to RBE I would prefer an LCD projector. I have to do some research on short throw LCDs, I haven't seen many of them so far.

Regarding dust I keep my house very clean. But I see your point. I think getting the 1060 would make more sense if stored under the couch due to its lower price point.
What was the last DLP you tried? The only reason I ask is BenQ sells a short throw model, the HT2150ST, with a high speed RGBRGB colorwheel. It's the only short throw model I know of to be so equipped. While I know a quite a few people who are sensitive to RBE, I've met few if any who claim to see RBE on this style of projector. (It's technically a 6X wheel but that's only for 50Hz. At 60Hz it runs at 4X and at 24Hz it runs at 5X.)


Just some food for thought.

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What was the last DLP you tried? The only reason I ask is BenQ sells a short throw model, the HT2150ST, with a high speed RGBRGB colorwheel. It's the only short throw model I know of to be so equipped. While I know a quite a few people who are sensitive to RBE, I've met few if any who claim to see RBE on this style of projector. (It's technically a 6X wheel but that's only for 50Hz. At 60Hz it runs at 4X and at 24Hz it runs at 5X.)


Just some food for thought.
I got a BenQ HT1075 back in 2014 which I had to return due to RBE. It has a 6x speed wheel I believe. How do you think the HT2150ST compares to the Epson 1060 in terms of image quality?
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I got a BenQ HT1075 back in 2014 which I had to return due to RBE. It has a 6x speed wheel I believe. How do you think the HT2150ST compares to the Epson 1060 in terms of image quality?
It's not nearly as bright but in every other measurable area of picture quality it is vastly superior-- better contrast, blacks, color, sharpness, motion handling, and it has lower input lag and 3D capability. But, if you see RBE...


The Epson 3100 is a closer match for the $750-$850 BenQs (HT2050A/HT3050/HT2150ST) in terms of picture quality.

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It's not nearly as bright but in every other measurable area of picture quality it is vastly superior-- better contrast, blacks, color, sharpness, motion handling, and it has lower input lag and 3D capability. But, if you see RBE...


The Epson 3100 is a closer match for the $750-$850 BenQs (HT2050A/HT3050/HT2150ST) in terms of picture quality.
I really wish I didn't see the RBE. It would open up for so many options. Unfortunately Im stuck with the LCDs.

The 3100 would be a very attractive option if it wasn't for the 1.33 throw ratio. For my setup I think the ratio will have to be closer to 1.
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I struggle with this setup entirely. White walls, ceiling, window directly across without proper blackout, no real light control at all, and that insanely sloped wall.

The only projector worth any consideration from the list would be the 3700 because it delivers better contrast and brightness to deal with the weak conditions, but in reality, this is about as far from a 'home theater' setup as you can get and there will be headaches.

Focus, for sure, is one of them.

In reality, I would hang a screen from the ceiling and pull it down when I wanted to use the projector.
More likely, I would rotate the room 90 degrees to get a full height setup in the center of the room.

The 3700 will be best, hands down, but this setup is a very serious compromise and will have some issues with black levels, focus, keystoning, and more.

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I’m with AV. Rotate the room 90 degrees. Mount the projector to one of those beams. Get yourself a nice tabbed pulldown screen and pull it down only when you want to watch a show. When the screen is up you have a nice clean room that you’d never be able to tell is actually a theater. Problems solved.

One of the great things about projection is it really opens up how you can think about a room.

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No question a projector screen and properly positioned projector would resolve the angled wall issue. But the OP seems dead set on hiding everything, so all we can do is inform him that compromised setup = compromised performance.
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I got a BenQ HT1075 back in 2014 which I had to return due to RBE. It has a 6x speed wheel I believe. How do you think the HT2150ST compares to the Epson 1060 in terms of image quality?
The HT2150ST and other DLP models have a max color wheel speed of 6X. If you were bothered by RBE with the HT1075 you'd likely see it with any other DLP model. Stick with 3LCD.
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I believe it was the Hitachi CP-EW302N.

http://www.hitachidigitalmedia.com/f...-datasheet.pdf
That's an inexpensive, lower resolution (1280x800 pixel), 3LCD business projector. The Epson 1060 will easily outperform it for home video but will have the same issues if using 30 degrees of digital keystone correction.
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Well Chris I'm on your side. Get the projector...put it under the couch...angle it to reduce keystone and enjoy. The rest can come later.

...but I don't mind using one in a less than perfect room or even using a business class projector. All of these are with a $300ish SVGA business class projector in an off-white room with twelve windows. Works great at night.
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That's an inexpensive, lower resolution (1280x800 pixel), 3LCD business projector. The Epson 1060 will easily outperform it for home video but will have the same issues if using 30 degrees of digital keystone correction.
Thats great! I just ordered it from B&H, should be here on friday. I don't think the keystone correction will be as crazy as with the sample projector (it was placed behind the couch, not on the floor, which made the throw angle less ideal). Ill let you know the results in a couple of days!

Thanks to everyone for the excellent feedback so far!
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Well Chris I'm on your side. Get the projector...put it under the couch...angle it to reduce keystone and enjoy. The rest can come later.

...but I don't mind using one in a less than perfect room or even using a business class projector. All of these are with a $300ish SVGA business class projector in an off-white room with twelve windows. Works great at night.
Many thanks Steve! I just ordered the 1060 from B&H for $549. Ill let you know the results in a couple of days. Exciting!
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