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Can someone start an owner's thread for 4050/4010? I'm really thinking about buying one of these today, since they are 1799 at 3 vendors, 2 of which offer $100 gift card, and one is also offering a free universal mount.

I need to know though, what is the ideal method to ceiling mount one of these. I want a clean installation. Here is the mount that comes with the deal at Visual Apex: https://www.visualapex.com/accessori...FR=VisualApex#
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Can someone start an owner's thread for 4050/4010? I'm really thinking about buying one of these today, since they are 1799 at 3 vendors, 2 of which offer $100 gift card, and one is also offering a free universal mount.

I need to know though, what is the ideal method to ceiling mount one of these. I want a clean installation. Here is the mount that comes with the deal at Visual Apex: https://www.visualapex.com/accessori...FR=VisualApex#
I bought my 4010 from Visual Apex and that's the very same mount I had thrown in with mine before they advertised the package deal. The mount is easy to get going and it's held up perfectly thus far. Just mount the bolts to a stud and you're all set. I'm not using the extension arm, though, as my ceiling is barely 8'.

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I bought my 4010 from Visual Apex and that's the very same mount I had thrown in with mine before they advertised the package deal. The mount is easy to get going and it's held up perfectly thus far. Just mount the bolts to a stud and you're all set. I'm not using the extension arm, though, as my ceiling is barely 8'.

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I just looked at the link you posted and based on the large variety of extenders shown with that mount, I am certain that it will work with the 4010. I am currently prepping to mount a 4010 using an Adtec mount and I've been challenged due to the paucity of long extenders.(means the 150 mm types). This, since the Adtec comes with only two of these long extenders. Indeed, I just exchanged one of these because it came with the two 150 mm ones missing. I feel I am stuck with the Adtec, since I already have one, currently mounting my legacy Epson 8350 projector. The 4010 is a much larger unit with much more widely spaced mounting holes. Thanks to a poster, Mr G, here, I was made aware of at least one person who had managed to successfully mount a 5040 using the Adtec mount. Recall that the 5040 has identical mounting hole geometry as the 4010.
I would jump immediately to your mount if I was starting from scratch. Instead, my current plan calls for just mounting a new bottom piece to my 4010, then disconnecting the identical bottom plate from my current mount and replacing with the newly mounted 4010. This way I don't have to redo the ceiling work, nor hassle with distance from ceiling issues etc.
I recommend that you go ahead and seal the deal on the 4010 with that particular free mount.
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For what it's worth, I finished my review and it went up this morning:

https://hdgear.highdefdigest.com/663...c4010projector

I still have some qualms about contrast and HDR performance, but overall I'm very impressed with this projector. It's a steal at the current $1,799 street price.
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I really want to know how it compares to the 5040UB. Is the 5040 soon to be replaced? Seems like it’s been out a while.
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Projector central is working on comparison now should be published soon. 4010 doesn't compare contrast /black level wise to the 5040. 5040 blacks are far superior to 4010. But at the price of 4010 you cant complain especially with everything else it offers. The new version of 5040 is out next month in Europe (tw9400) and hopefully will let be announced soon in us ..maybe beginning 2019 if lucky .
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Fellas, I have a question about installation options for the Epson 4010.

Let's say I want the projector aligned with the top edge of my screen. In this scenario does the projector have to be placed upside down?

I ask because I'm considering resting the projector on a high shelf.

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Projector central is working on comparison now should be published soon. 4010 doesn't compare contrast /black level wise to the 5040. 5040 blacks are far superior to 4010. But at the price of 4010 you cant complain especially with everything else it offers. The new version of 5040 is out next month in Europe (tw9400) and hopefully will let be announced soon in us ..maybe beginning 2019 if lucky .


Cool. Good to know. But my thought is, if you’re spending 1800 already, what’s another 700 to get good black level performance? Does the 4100 excel above the 5040 in other ways?


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Fellas, I have a question about installation options for the Epson 4010.

Let's say I want the projector aligned with the top edge of my screen. In this scenario does the projector have to be placed upside down?

I ask because I'm considering resting the projector on a high shelf.

Thanks,
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You could angle the shelf downward a bit, with some sort of lip to prevent sliding. Then augment this with a bit of vertical lens shift. It is true, though, that the home pointing direction of the lens is in the upward direction when the projector is placed upright on a shelf. Means that upside down is easier from a high perch. my suggestion, here is a workaround.
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Cool. Good to know. But my thought is, if you’re spending 1800 already, what’s another 700 to get good black level performance? Does the 4100 excel above the 5040 in other ways?


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Only almost 40% more! That's not pocket change if your in the market at $1800...

Also, just because the 5040 can throw a superior image doesn't mean you can make use of it if you don't have a bat-cave... Put both of those pj's in a room with light walls and white ceilings and you'll be kicking yourself for forking out for the 5040 when the 4010 looks exactly the same in that bad environment.

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Fellas, I have a question about installation options for the Epson 4010.

Let's say I want the projector aligned with the top edge of my screen. In this scenario does the projector have to be placed upside down?

I ask because I'm considering resting the projector on a high shelf.

Thanks,
Ben
You might want to consider mounting the projector underneath the shelf.
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Making Some Progress on My Install

OK, I have now operated my 4100 on a table top, directly below my legacy Epson 8350. I have adjusted the focus, image size and lenshift, sufficient to obtain a well matched image on my current 92" screen. next I've connected an LG UBK90 Player directly to HDMI1 on the projector. For this, I've used a 10' length of certified 4k cable. Finally watched a bit of the original Blade Runner UHD/HDR to some joy. Of course, being an LG E8 OLED guy, I am naturally spoiled when comes to contrast, black levels etc. Still, since I have the 8350 still mounted and operable above it, I can easily see A/B comparative differences in my windowless media room. Since I am using the bottom detachable piece of an ATDEC mount just like the one above, all I have to do now is mount the extenders to the new projector, dismount the old projector and make the swap. No new ceiling work. No new calculations, etc. No new focusing required etc.
I still will have the task of pulling in new cables. I think I might be in luck, for it appears that my original installers left a redundant pull cable in place. My intent is to leave the original 7 year old HDMI cable in place and pull in a new hybrid cable along with a run of Cat5e cable. I don't want to pull on the optical fiber, so I will just tape it to the Cat5e and pull on that.
I have a couple of neat little gizmos that were made by the Siemon Company that will allow me to run the trigger voltage on two of the redundant conductors, alongside any ethernet signals I wish to run. The Siemon parts are:
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with one of these required on each end of the cable run. So I will have two HDMI cables, an ethernet cable and trigger voltage, all present at the projector!
BTW, on port 2 of the Siemon adaptors, I have rigged a female mini phone connector to short pigtail of ordinary telephone wire, with the 6 conductor telephone plug intact on the opposite end. That plugs into port two on the Siemon and an ordinary two conductor male to male mini phone cable attached to the other end.
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Fellas, I have a question about installation options for the Epson 4010.

Let's say I want the projector aligned with the top edge of my screen. In this scenario does the projector have to be placed upside down?

I ask because I'm considering resting the projector on a high shelf.

Thanks,
Ben
I don't have a 4010 but I do have a 3700 that sits at a shelf height of exactly 5'10" with a 151.5" image which places the bottom of the projector about 2 foot or less under the top of my image, but keep in mind that my lens shift is only vertical +/-60% and horizontal +/-24 vs the 4010's +/-96 and +/-47.
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You might want to consider mounting the projector underneath the shelf.
That's a good idea. Maybe something like this. (image attached)
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I bought the Epson 4010 a couple days ago and now i need some 3D glasses, could anyone please tell me what are the best 3D glasses to use with Epson 4010?? Im from Portugal i would rather buy them in Europe in order to dont have to deal with customs fees/problems.

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Anyone please ?

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https://www.projectorreviews.com/opt...jector-review/

It's in the review but you have to pay for the small membership to get the calibration numbers, if you haven't already done so. I think it's like $5.00 per year or something ridiculously low. Hope this helps!

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Link you posted sends me to UHD51A. Also, can find 4010 with calibration anywhere on their site.
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Link you posted sends me to UHD51A. Also, can find 4010 with calibration anywhere on their site.
Apologies if I didn't make it clear but my original post had to do with calibration numbers for the uhd51a, not for the 4010 has those haven't been put up by projector reviews yet..

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Projector central is working on comparison now should be published soon. 4010 doesn't compare contrast /black level wise to the 5040. 5040 blacks are far superior to 4010. But at the price of 4010 you cant complain especially with everything else it offers. The new version of 5040 is out next month in Europe (tw9400) and hopefully will let be announced soon in us ..maybe beginning 2019 if lucky .

This shootout of the HC4010 vs. the HC5040UB went live on ProjectorCentral last night...
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...10-vs-5040.htm



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This shootout of the HC4010 vs. the HC5040UB went live on ProjectorCentral last night...
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...10-vs-5040.htm



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Interesting that even in this review they find no real world differences in contrast in the 5040 vs the 4000/4010. Only real difference is black levels.

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At VisualApex, the 4010 is $1800 and the 5040 is $2300. Apparently, the main difference is in the black levels. Since I'm doing a CIH setup, I was planning to mask the wall above and below the screen so that the spillover wouldn't be seen. Will the 5040 eliminate the need for this, or will I still see the spillover?
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I'm still looking for my next projector to replace my aging optoma hd33. I've been a DLP projector user all my life so I am wondering if I switch to the Epson 4010 how the black will compare to what I'm used to on my HD33? Everything else about the 4010 that matters to me seems to be perfect.
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I just ordered a 4010 from visual apex. I also was considering the 5040 for the deeper blacks. $500 (29%) more. I'm not sure I would notice a huge difference, plus I'm always excited about showing people how far your dollars can stretch.

(I say 29% based on the $100 visa card they include - $1700 vs $2200)
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Interesting that even in this review they find no real world differences in contrast in the 5040 vs the 4000/4010. Only real difference is black levels.

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I definitely saw real differences in overall contrast on dark scenes due to the deeper blacks on the 5040UB. That's where they came to bear. So it wasn't just that letterbox bars were deeper black or that darkest areas of a dark frame were more black instead of gray. It's also that the brighter areas in the image looked better; they were in greater relief against the dark areas (ie, more contrast), and they were more color-saturated and natural to the extent there was color in them.



Comparatively, on mixed or bright scenes, you really can't see these kinds of contrast differences as well, if at all. I'm not totally sure why, whether the projector stops producing black at the deepest level in mixed scenes (it has a dynamic iris that's tamping down or restoring light output from the lamp on the fly) and/or whether it's a function of your pupils shutting down to adjust to the brighter light and being less able to perceive the deeper black that the 5040UB is able to generate. Maybe some of both?
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Interesting that even in this review they find no real world differences in contrast in the 5040 vs the 4000/4010. Only real difference is black levels.

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I definitely saw real differences in overall contrast on dark scenes due to the deeper blacks on the 5040UB. That's where they came to bear. So it wasn't just that letterbox bars were deeper black or that darkest areas of a dark frame were more black instead of gray. It's also that the brighter areas in the image looked better; they were in greater relief against the dark areas (ie, more contrast), and they were more color-saturated and natural to the extent there was color in them.



Comparatively, on mixed or bright scenes, you really can't see these kinds of contrast differences as well, if at all. I'm not totally sure why, whether the projector stops producing black at the deepest level in mixed scenes (it has a dynamic iris that's tamping down or restoring light output from the lamp on the fly) and/or whether it's a function of your pupils shutting down to adjust to the brighter light and being less able to perceive the deeper black that the 5040UB is able to generate. Maybe some of both?
I ordered a 4010 but the order won’t process till tomorrow. Thinking of changing it to the 5040. The price difference is $500 or 29%. I haven’t seen either projector in action in person - only what I’ve read. Anyone recommend the upgrade? Opinions will help me choose either way. Thanks.
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Would you guys say the 5040 compared to the 4010 is similar to the difference between OLED and higher end LCD televisions? (as far as black levels go) (and I don’t mean to say that the 5040 is as good as oled, just the relative comparison)

edit: I'm reading the ProjectorCentral comparison again. Some of the phrases they use make me think the 5040 is really that much better for dark scenes.

"the 5040's advantage was not only noticeable but staggering at times"

"while neither of these projectors should be considered state-of-the-art for contrast, these clips were not by any means unwatchable on the 4010. But if black level and dark-scene contrast are the holy grail that separates the good, better, and best home theater projectors, the 5040 was clearly the alpha here—and not by a little bit"

"The HC5040 has better contrast and, especially, lower black levels that far exceed the capabilities of the HC4010, but which are really only brought to bear on very dark scenes, and in dark-room theater viewing. On most bright or mixed material, or in even moderate ambient light, both projectors are close in contrast performance."

"if you care about having a great picture for dark-room/dark-scene performance, it's worth seriously considering the 5040"

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Similar Situation...

Just purchased the 4010 a couple of days ago and it is on its way.

Have an offer from a friend for a used 2 year old 6040UB for about $600 more.

This will used mostly for gaming and some movies.

- What is the difference in visual quality?

- Is it worth getting the 6040UB over the 4010?

- For both machines, is the lack of 18gb HDMI capability a real problem and worth waiting for the next iteration of projectors?

- Or would the HD Fury fix the problem?

Thanks for your help!
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I'm reading the ProjectorCentral comparison again. Some of the phrases they use make me think the 5040 is really that much better for dark scenes.
Here's a comparison between the 9300 (5040/6040) and the 7300 (4000/4040).

http://projectiondream.com/en/epson-...s10000-battle/

I think the difference is more than obvious.
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5040 v. 4010 v. future 5050

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...edit: I'm reading the ProjectorCentral comparison again. Some of the phrases they use make me think the 5040 is really that much better for dark scenes.

"the 5040's advantage was not only noticeable but staggering at times"...
1) In addition to Rob Sabin's recent comparison review, another comparison appeared on a German website - projectiondream.com - in September 2016. The older comparison was between the European versions of the 5040 and the 4000 under their respective names, the 9300 and 7300.

2) If you are a planning to use your projector mostly for movie watching in a fully darkened room - or better yet, a fully darkened room with dark ceiling, floor and walls - the better contrast machine is likely worth the extra cost. If you are less of a movie buff, and will be using the machine in some ambient light for gaming, sporting events, streaming television and the like (in addition to movie watching), the 4010 may be the better choice. For most of us, $500 saved is significant.

3) If I was in your shoes, and was leaning towards the 5040, I would wait for the 5040 replacement. I read reports that it is already available in Europe. If that is true, it should be selling here in the US soon. It will have the 18 gbps chipset allowing it to play nice with 4K UHD games and 4K UHD streaming services. No add-on devices needed. It should also have the HDR tone mapping and pixel-shifting tweaks distinguishing the 4010 from the 4000. My guess is that the power supply problems some 5040 users have had will be eliminated. If you poke around this site you will find more than a few reports of power supply failures from 5040 users, with some people repeatedly getting lemon replacement projectors from Epson.


4) I have been very happily watching movies with a 5040 since March 2017, with zero buyer's remorse. I sometimes wish I could use the pixel shifting and frame interpolation features at the same time, but it is not possible. And I sometimes worry about my power supply going belly up. Other than those two qualms, it has been great.


Good luck with your choice, and happy viewing,
Joel Dickman


The harder it is to tell the difference, the less difference it makes.
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Here's a comparison between the 9300 (5040/6040) and the 7300 (4000/4040).

http://projectiondream.com/en/epson-...s10000-battle/

I think the difference is more than obvious.
But does the 4000 in this comparison have the same auto iris that the 4010 has?
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But does the 4000 in this comparison have the same auto iris that the 4010 has?
Yes, they have the same auto iris, but the 5040 has an added manual iris that you can clamp down in order to achieve better blacks.

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