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I just did a new UHD65 for 2100. It’s a great 4K solution that gives me compromise between TV and movies in a light controlled room. Arrives Wednesday!!!!
WOW this did not help me much there are so many to chose from i can get the Optoma UHD60 UHD65 or Optoma UHD51A or Optoma UHD50 and these BEN Q the BenQ HT8050 or BenQ TK800 or BenQ HT9050 or BenQ HT2550 or the Epson Pro Cinema 4040 Epson Pro Cinema 4050 projector. witch one of these would you chose

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I'm another Canadian trying to choose between UHD 50/51A/60/65 or HT2550???

Refurbished UHD 50 as low as $1,500 CAD is tempting...

I've got a fully light controlled basement room with a 120 inch plain white screen. Have had an Epson Home Cinema 1080 (not UB) for many years and been very happy with it.

Intending to feed the projector UHD HDR from either a PC or from a Telus 4K 'set top box' (which offers HDR).

I'd also like to try out some 3D movies.

Advice or suggestions welcome. From my own reading, the UHD 51A seems to be a solid choice.

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Just be aware that the JVC RS440 is not a 4k projector.
No (brand new) projector is native 4K under $3K MSRP. Yes there are various degrees of faux/shifting pixel technologies, but for a true 4K projector you are looking at the next tier up unless you can find the entry level Sony native 4K on a good deal/used.
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WOW this did not help me much there are so many to chose from i can get the Optoma UHD60 UHD65 or Optoma UHD51A or Optoma UHD50 and these BEN Q the BenQ HT8050 or BenQ TK800 or BenQ HT9050 or BenQ HT2550 or the Epson Pro Cinema 4040 Epson Pro Cinema 4050 projector. witch one of these would you chose
For gaming I would take the Epson's out of it as they are limited by 10Gbps bandwidth. I would research input lag on the other projectors you mentioned to ensure it will be adequtate for you for gaming purposes. If you are not in a hurry we are bound to see some crazy black friday deals on some of these DLP projectors just like last year.
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WOW this did not help me much there are so many to chose from i can get the Optoma UHD60 UHD65 or Optoma UHD51A or Optoma UHD50 and these BEN Q the BenQ HT8050 or BenQ TK800 or BenQ HT9050 or BenQ HT2550 or the Epson Pro Cinema 4040 Epson Pro Cinema 4050 projector. witch one of these would you chose
What difference does it make what someone else chooses? Some have chosen all of those models for different reasons. It's pretty well documented in numerous professional reviews and owner comments what the different pros and cons are for each one. You just need to decide what balance of pros and cons best fits your personal preferences and budget and that will lead you to the best option for you.
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WOW this did not help me much there are so many to chose from i can get the Optoma UHD60 UHD65 or Optoma UHD51A or Optoma UHD50 and these BEN Q the BenQ HT8050 or BenQ TK800 or BenQ HT9050 or BenQ HT2550 or the Epson Pro Cinema 4040 Epson Pro Cinema 4050 projector. witch one of these would you chose
The UHD65... because its the one I selected :-) Only if your room is pitch black though.
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No (brand new) projector is native 4K under $3K MSRP. Yes there are various degrees of faux/shifting pixel technologies, but for a true 4K projector you are looking at the next tier up unless you can find the entry level Sony native 4K on a good deal/used.
You don't get it. The DLP 4k projectors all put 8 million pixels on screen. The JVC RS series and the Epsons only put 4 million pixels -- half the 4k UHD source information -- on screen.


Lumping all pixel shifters together is wrong when one group is at least attempting to put all the resolution information from the source material on screen and the other group only attempts half the full resolution. In terms of visible resolution on screen it goes 720P -- > 1080P --> 1080P 2x pixel shifter -- 1080P 4x pixel shifter --> 1528P 2x pixel shifter --> 2160P native 4k. JVC RS and Epson are in the 3rd group while all the DLP 4k projectors are in 4th or 5th group.


JVC RS and the Epson "enhanced for 4k" projectors have many good qualities, but resolution is not one of them compared to DLP true 4k.
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For gaming I would take the Epson's out of it as they are limited by 10Gbps bandwidth. I would research input lag on the other projectors you mentioned to ensure it will be adequtate for you for gaming purposes. If you are not in a hurry we are bound to see some crazy black friday deals on some of these DLP projectors just like last year.
do you remember where you seen these deals? And where is the best place you guys think i should look ? i am hoping to have saved 3000 usd i am hoping more

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You don't get it. The DLP 4k projectors all put 8 million pixels on screen. The JVC RS series and the Epsons only put 4 million pixels -- half the 4k UHD source information -- on screen.


Lumping all pixel shifters together is wrong when one group is at least attempting to put all the resolution information from the source material on screen and the other group only attempts half the full resolution. In terms of visible resolution on screen it goes 720P -- > 1080P --> 1080P 2x pixel shifter -- 1080P 4x pixel shifter --> 1528P 2x pixel shifter --> 2160P native 4k. JVC RS and Epson are in the 3rd group while all the DLP 4k projectors are in 4th or 5th group.


JVC RS and the Epson "enhanced for 4k" projectors have many good qualities, but resolution is not one of them compared to DLP true 4k.
I noticed you have the ht2050 do you think it is better then the ht9050 ?

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I noticed you have the ht2050 do you think it is better then the ht9050 ?
I've not seen the HT9050. I have both the HT2050A 1080P projector and the TK800 4k projector. I prefer the smoother image of the TK800 and its 8 million pixels, even for 1080P content. The contrast on the HT2050A is better, but the filmlike smoothness of the TK800 is my preference.

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You don't get it. ...
Nothing @ack_bk said was inaccurate. He correctly stated that there are varying degrees of pixel shifting technology which implies that some will be closer to native 4K than others.
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Nothing @ack_bk said was inaccurate. He correctly stated that there are varying degrees of pixel shifting technology which implies that some will be closer to native 4K than others.
Correct and I was also pointing out that the projectors mentioned are not actually native 4k no matter how much people want to believe marketing.
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Nothing @ack_bk said was inaccurate. He correctly stated that there are varying degrees of pixel shifting technology which implies that some will be closer to native 4K than others.
He claimed none of the pixel shifters -- including the DLP 4k projectors -- are "true" 4k. He is equating true 4k (8 million pixels) and native 4k, as though only the Sony native 4k projectors and above are putting full resolution on screen. There is a distinction that SHOULD be made between 4 million pixel projectors and 8 million pixel projectors.



I don't know why people want to lump all pixels shifters together. In the past, nobody ever tried to lump 720P and 1080P projectors together simply because they could both accept a 1080P signal. Lumping 4mp projectors together with 8mp projectors just because both will accept an 8mp signal is equally wrong.


Nobody "believes" the pixel shifters are "native" 4k, but the fact is that the DLPs are
"true" 4k because they put all the information in a 4k source on screen while the JVC RS and Epsons are not even "true" 4k because they only put half the 4k source info on screen.

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Is it fair to lump together as true 4K native 4K projectors that simultaneously flash 8.3 million discrete (non-overlapping) pixels on the screen and pixel shifters that sequentially flash 8.3 million overlapping pixels on the screen? Not everyone believes that. Many believe that the only true 4K is native 4K. But no need to keep debating it as all the debate points have already been made numerous times and neither side is willing to concede to the other. So the term true 4K really doesn't have a universally accepted meaning.

On the other hand I agree that it's fair to point out that some pixel shifters flash 8.3 million overlapping pixels on the screen sequentially while others only display half as many. That's a technical reality that no one can debate. The more we stick with technical terms and avoid marketing terms the clearer the image.
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I have been trying to watch some videos on comparing some of the projectors but i have sold all of my inventory of computers that i had should be getting some more in before Christmas so i am using a old laptop and i can not see the difference in quality so this is why i am asking you all for your help thank you all in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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