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Optoma UHL55

I looking at BestBuy ads and saw that they were advertising the Optoma UHL55 portable projector. They are currently all sold out here in Michigan. Anyone have any experience with this projector?

https://www.optoma.com/us/product/uhl55/#

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We can’t talk about street prices or point of purchase here. At an MSRP of $2999 it looks like an interesting offering into an affordable table top living room projector 4k market. I haven’t seen much talk about this projector here but there is a market for the simplicity of it.

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Well, that's different, but street pricey for what it is. With only 1,500 lumens (probably only 600 usable), it won't be a bright picture and not good for 3D unless the screen is small--maybe 80 inches tops (according to the spec sheet that is the ideal size). Considering it's only 8.6"x8.6"x5.3" with all the bells and whistles of it's larger cousin-51a, it's pretty neat. Not sure why they didn't include a carrying handle or case, though. I can see it being used on a coffee table projecting onto a wall for a fun gathering. Like all these gadgets, they need input and sometimes that's cumbersome--ie. carrying around a game console or bluray, plus all the cords, etc.
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Well, that's different, but street pricey for what it is. With only 1,500 lumens (probably only 600 usable), it won't be a bright picture and not good for 3D unless the screen is small--maybe 80 inches tops (according to the spec sheet that is the ideal size). Considering it's only 8.6"x8.6"x5.3" with all the bells and whistles of it's larger cousin-51a, it's pretty neat. Not sure why they didn't include a carrying handle or case, though. I can see it being used on a coffee table projecting onto a wall for a fun gathering. Like all these gadgets, they need input and sometimes that's cumbersome--ie. carrying around a game console or bluray, plus all the cords, etc.
My cheap viewsonic pro7827hd has a hidden compartment for a streaming smart tv dongle and has pretty good on board speakers. So it could be easily set on a coffee table and other than being able to talk to it do about the same things. For quite a bit less money and with a good deal more brightness. It is portable with adjusting legs 4 way keystone and corner adjustment for the picture and lens shift. It also has a shorter throw needed for use this way. All nice to have on a coffee table as well. And for 50 bucks get it a costume fitted carry case for when not in use.

I don’t think a lot of people realize there are lots of projectors that can be used this way as most of the marketing is geared to fixed setups, and most of the talk here is the same.

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The reason I didn’t find the price that bad was this is 4k. I don’t really know why someone feels the need for a 4k table top / living room projector but that’s where the cost is, my guess.

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If you google uhl55 you will see the street price for the projector. It's almost half the list price. Basically, the UHL55 is a 4K version of the LG PF1500, which I have owned for about four years. There are a few key factors when considering this projector:

1. It is an LED projector so it has a 20,000+ lamp life and will not need re-calibration every year like a aging bulb does.
2. It is a short throw projector and fixed zoom. You physically move it closer or further away from the screen to match your screen size. For 100"s the throw is 8'9".
3. Because it is LED it is not as bright as Optoma's lamp based short throw alternative, the UHD51A.
4. On Projector Central it is listed at 25 FL. My PF 1500 is 23 fl. This is in the neighborhood of 1500 lumens. Most experts have said that because it is LED 1500+ is equal to around 1700+ compared to a bulb.
5. My PF 1500 is about the same brightness. It is plenty bright for a controlled light dark room, but probably not for a living room. The UHL55 supports HDR. I don't know if it will be bright enough for that.
6. Kraine's test shows 643 calibrated lumens. Add around 200 to compare to bulb.
7. Like all dlps the contrast on dark scenes is its weakness.

To consider this projector you must do it because it is non-bulb and half the price of laser. I love my PF 1500. I'm sure I will like this one even more.
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Hi, newbie here, owned this UHL55 projector for a week, and have a few posts on the i5 thread. Seems this is the more proper thread for discuss this global version of i5.

Post some test shoots from my phone at here again. They are from an inferior quality ALR screen cloth I just got for try out on these kind of screen, although the screen has some defects the UHL55 did shines with this kind of screen, so potential buyer may consider to get a proper ALR screen for best viewing experience, if your viewing location and projector location meets the limited sweet spots for these kind of screen.

Ready player One UHD BD play from XB1X, shoot at night with living room lights off






From XB1X youtube apps, in 4K and livng room lights on
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Hi, newbie here, owned this UHL55 projector for a week, and have a few posts on the i5 thread. Seems this is the more proper thread for discuss this global version of i5.

Post some test shoots from my phone at here again. They are from an inferior quality ALR screen cloth I just got for try out on these kind of screen, although the screen has some defects the UHL55 did shines with this kind of screen, so potential buyer may consider to get a proper ALR screen for best viewing experience, if your viewing location and projector location meets the limited sweet spots for these kind of screen.

Ready player One UHD BD play from XB1X, shoot at night with living room lights off






From XB1X youtube apps, in 4K and livng room lights on
Looks very good.
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Its very good with a proper high gain screen.

Just tried again with Gergory’s setting with HDR mode.



and this one just with default 0s in the color gain / bias



seems just subtle difference.
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When you play any HDR material does a label appear showing it is HDR? Do you have any HLG material there so that it would be a test to see if the UHL55 supports HLG? Pictures look great, btw.

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When you play any HDR material does a label appear showing it is HDR? Do you have any HLG material there so that it would be a test to see if the UHL55 supports HLG? Pictures look great, btw.
When the signal changed to HDR it will show 2160P HDR as current signal info popup at top left corner.

With default setting, when playing HDR materials it will locked in HDR picture mode, other picture modes dimmed and cannot select. These are shoot at daytime with my previous white spandex screen of gain 1.0



Xbox One X’s connected display info


I don’t have HLG material.

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Just ordered mine from B&H. The sales guy said it will be here Thursday or Friday.
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That Player One movie is awesome, visual it’s a masterpiece.



Though the sound through my system was amazing I can only imagine what it must be like through an Atmos setup.

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That Player One movie is awesome, visual it’s a masterpiece.

Though the sound through my system was amazing I can only imagine what it must be like through an Atmos setup.
Yes, Ready player one is my top ranked 4K UHD BD, its visual quality, atmos mix and story line are all in top notch.

My 2nd pick will be Transformers The last knight, which have the highest visual quality at the moment, but the atmos mix and story falls behind.
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is the range of the digital zoom wide enough to shrink the picture to 150'' from about 4,40m distance?
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is the range of the digital zoom wide enough to shrink the picture to 150'' from about 4,40m distance?
These are the normal size vs max digital zoom shrink (-5)


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These are the normal size vs max digital zoom shrink (-5)
thanks a lot. can you estimate/measure the size before and after?
i wonder if the native contrast/black level performance is more on the uhd51(~500:1) or the uhz65(~1000:1) side
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thanks a lot. can you estimate/measure the size before and after?
i wonder if the native contrast/black level performance is more on the uhd51(~500:1) or the uhz65(~1000:1) side
according to kraine it's under 500:1

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/

After calibration, the brightness with the LEDs at full power is only 643 lumens

If that's correct that is a huge drop once calibrated from it's advertised rating.

They didn't find much extra contrast with the dynamic contrast modes enabled. It sounds like this new DMD can help with the .47 light border issue.


I was going to buy one last night but holding until there is some more feedback from folks here. It's a little pricey if the D65 lumens and contrast are correct.
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A You Tube evaluation by the famous Ekki Scmidt of Cine4Home is now up.
The German translation to English is not great so I hope someone who can speak the language can view it and give us a description of what they have said. I believe they liked it but had the usual DLP/LED shortcomings observed; brightness and black level contrast.
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some short quotes:

- in bright mode it reaches about 1300 lumens but with a huge green drift
- with natural colors it reaches about 500-600 Lumens
- native contrast of about 500-700:1
- with the 3x dynamic mode you get a contrast ratio of about 2000:1
- black level performance is "not on reference-level" but "acceptable"

so for me the waiting starts again. lets hope we see some better dlp products at ces 2019. i wont buy a projector with a native cr under 1000:1
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- in bright mode it reaches about 1300 lumens but with a huge green drift
- with natural colors it reaches about 500-600 Lumens
- native contrast of about 500-700:1
- with the 3x dynamic mode you get a contrast ratio of about 2000:1
- black level performance is "not on reference-level" but "acceptable"

so for me the waiting starts again. lets hope we see some better dlp products at ces 2019. i wont buy a projector with a native cr under 1000:1
So from these info of german review, actually its the best LED based high mobility projector at the moment.

To me its a huge step up compared to my previous Xgimi H1, which makes me a believer on LED based projector.

But its definitely not for long distance throw to a big screen in a huge area, that definitely need a much higher lumen projector.
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- in bright mode it reaches about 1300 lumens but with a huge green drift
- with natural colors it reaches about 500-600 Lumens
- native contrast of about 500-700:1
- with the 3x dynamic mode you get a contrast ratio of about 2000:1
- black level performance is "not on reference-level" but "acceptable"

so for me the waiting starts again. lets hope we see some better dlp products at ces 2019. i wont buy a projector with a native cr under 1000:1
So I think you are in for a very long wait.
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So I think you are in for a very long wait.
i already am. but shouldnt be to hard for a manufacturer to put the 0,67'' ti dmd in a usual form factor driven by leds?
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i already am. but shouldnt be to hard for a manufacturer to put the 0,67'' ti dmd in a usual form factor driven by leds?
I agree but I don't think the difference in black/contrast between the .47 and .66 will be enough to make the difference. For me, my watching habits are 90% sports and various other material that are not low light situations where black/contrast really matter.

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Regrettably, I have returned the UHL55 that I received last Thursday. I set it up in my light controlled theater room with a 100" 1.0 screen. I also used it in my LR with a 106" HP screen. There were two reasons why I returned it:

1. As measured on the French site Passion Cinema, the Contrast was around 332:1 calibrated and 428:1 Cinema OTB. This showed up in many different scenes to include some HD programs and commercials that were definitely not low light. There was quite a difference between the UHL55 and my LG PF1500, a four year old LED HD projector. I used Gregory's settings and the various OTB settings, adjusted various parameters, brightness, contrast, gamma, etc., and could not get it to a satisfactory level. The 4K HDR from Netflix and You Tube was excellent but this represents only about 30% of my viewing.

2. The up-scaling from any HD resolution to UHD was not up to par. I was able to run it through my Denon 602 video processor and my Darbee and that gave me an excellent upscale but still had the black level/contrast problem. However, in this scenario I would have had to run two cables from a 4K splitter to the projector and my extensive experience with that and long cable runs has not been pleasant, and I didn't want to live with that scenario.

I could have brought in an ISF calibrator and hoped he could get better black level/contrast but my experience told me he couldn't have enough impact on the image. That being said, if something came up that would change things I would buy this UHL55 again. Everything else was fine. The 4K image was excellent in general. I think the problem is one that has been brought up in other reviews of these .47 projectors. There is something in the design and execution that is different from the HD versions of the same chip, like the one in my PF1500, that produces poorer blacks. So far, based on my reviewing many threads here on AVS and pro-reviews, it takes a combo of the .66 chip and an active iris to generate acceptable blacks and contrast. So I have to decide whether I want to increase my outlay by a factor of 2.5.

I'm thinking about it.

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Regrettably, I have returned the UHL55 that I received last Thursday. I set it up in my light controlled theater room with a 100" 1.0 screen. I also used it in my LR with a 106" HP screen. There were two reasons why I returned it:

1. As measured on the French site Passion Cinema, the Contrast was around 332:1 calibrated and 428:1 Cinema OTB. This showed up in many different scenes to include some HD programs and commercials that were definitely not low light. There was quite a difference between the UHL55 and my LG PF1500, a four year old LED HD projector. I used Gregory's settings and the various OTB settings, adjusted various parameters, brightness, contrast, gamma, etc., and could not get it to a satisfactory level. The 4K HDR from Netflix and You Tube was excellent but this represents only about 30% of my viewing.

2. The up-scaling from any HD resolution to UHD was not up to par. I was able to run it through my Denon 602 video processor and my Darbee and that gave me an excellent upscale but still had the black level/contrast problem. However, in this scenario I would have had to run two cables from a 4K splitter to the projector and my extensive experience with that and long cable runs has not been pleasant, and I didn't want to live with that scenario.

I could have brought in an ISF calibrator and hoped he could get better black level/contrast but my experience told me he couldn't have enough impact on the image. That being said, if something came up that would change things I would buy this UHL55 again. Everything else was fine. The 4K image was excellent in general. I think the problem is one that has been brought up in other reviews of these .47 projectors. There is something in the design and execution that is different from the HD versions of the same chip, like the one in my PF1500, that produces poorer blacks. So far, based on my reviewing many threads here on AVS and pro-reviews, it takes a combo of the .66 chip and an active iris to generate acceptable blacks and contrast. So I have to decide whether I want to increase my outlay by a factor of 2.5.

I'm thinking about it.
I also own an LG 1500, do you consider the optoma like an upgrade? I know it’s not perfect and lacks in contrast, but there are little options right now and I need a new PJ!
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I also own an LG 1500, do you consider the optoma like an upgrade? I know it’s not perfect and lacks in contrast, but there are little options right now and I need a new PJ!
It would be an upgrade if there was better black level and contrast. But for me it was not an upgrade; it was more in the opposite direction. You might consider the Xgimi H2. It's basically the same as the LG but accepts 4K and HDR. It's less than $1K and users who have owned the LG and the H2 say the H2 is a significant improvement. However, this is mostly input that I'm not sure can be trusted. Look for the H2 thread here on AVS and also note that it is eligible for Amazon Prime.

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watched a VPL-VW760ES projected to a 170 inch high end screen in a local AV show, in a dark big hotel room, the details are better, but UHL55 paired with a high gain screen in a small area can outperform this highend setup in color and contrast, the blacks from high end projectors still can never match an OLED, and an high end one actually shows blacks not much better than the entry level one, so i think the contrast numbers just a brief reference for how much brighter the projector can get.

And this sony laser thiny with 2000 lumens still cannot drive a 170 inch screen, the result is quite dim like an entry model to a 1.0 screen in some scenes....
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I also own an LG 1500, do you consider the optoma like an upgrade? I know it’s not perfect and lacks in contrast, but there are little options right now and I need a new PJ!
I have recently bought an HDFury Vertex. This black box converts 4K Roku streams from Netflix, Hulu, You Tube, and Prime to 1080P. The result looks great on the PF1500 and is better than 1080P to 1080P, which is what you get today with Roku.

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