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post #181 of 247 Old 01-07-2019, 09:16 AM
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@schumy has stated valid points that I experience too.

1. Lip Sync issue
2. Bad contrast especially with HDR content with dark scenes

I can live with the low contrast, but the lip sync just drives me crazy, i'll try the AV HDMI transfer suggested here, thanks
The HDR wash out situation isn't too bad. For HDR movie files playing from bluray player (Sony x800), the bluray player can let me set customized picture settings, once the contrast and brightness there are dialed up, the result is quite ok. For 4K HDR Youtube videos playing from Smart YouTube TV (installed in Lune), it let me to choose HDR and non-HDR streams if available for that video, and I found the overall picture quality of non-HDR stream is a lot better (and but for the setting I would definitely say the non-HDR stream shows more details and looks much more HDR to my eyes), so I just live with that.
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I've been working with the hdr on the 1080p Lune for awhile, and the general sentiment from those who seem to know better is that projector's simply aren't quite cut out for decent hdr playback yet. A lot of people seem to prefer tone-mapping hdr to sdr if they can.

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@schumy has stated valid points that I experience too.

1. Lip Sync issue
Is your source from a DVD/Blueray player, and do you use a receiver? I don't experience lip sync issue. I am doing streaming and sound out from projector speakers directly.
In my case, the lip sync delay occurs most noticeably when a movie file is played by the Lune built-in video player, and sound out from Lune to my AV receiver via optical or HDMI ARC (but ARC stopped working recently). If sound out from Lune speakers, no lip sync delay.

If the same movie file is played by bluray player (
Sony x800) and sound out from AV receiver connected to x800 via HDMI cable (video is from AV receiver to Lune via a second HDMI cable), no lip sync delay.

Sometimes I also experience minor lip sync delay with tv set top box connected to Lune via HDMI and sound out from Lune s speakers.
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Anyone gaming on this projector? How is the lag?

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Anyone gaming on this projector? How is the lag?
Input lag is 15ms https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post56486488

Is this a true 4K projector or downscaler?
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Input lag is 15ms https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post56486488

Is this a true 4K projector or downscaler?
That is the 1080p model. This is the pixel shifting 4k version.
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Anyone gaming on this projector? How is the lag?
Input lag is 15ms https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post56486488

Would it improve or eliminate the lip sync delay if I turn off Bluetooth (cant remember if it can be turned off) or at least disable the Bluetooth remote control?
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The only problem with my unit so far is the unusually bright border (as reported in my previous posts) which Xgimi Taobao shop insists is normal (they are willing to give me a full refund if I ship it back). I can only surmise that it is a normal thing for this chip set maybe...it is slightly annoying but I can live with it.
The light border affects all projectors using the .47 DMD. There is a newer version to be used in the upcoming Benq W2700/HT3550 that suposedly resolves this issue.
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The only problem with my unit so far is the unusually bright border (as reported in my previous posts) which Xgimi Taobao shop insists is normal (they are willing to give me a full refund if I ship it back). I can only surmise that it is a normal thing for this chip set maybe...it is slightly annoying but I can live with it.
The light border affects all projectors using the .47 DMD. There is a newer version to be used in the upcoming Benq W2700/HT3550 that suposedly resolves this issue.
Thanks for the info. do you mean a newer version of the DMD hardware or software? If it is the former, then it can't help the problem with the current Lune4K units I suppose? I hope they have some software update which can help resolve it. Thanks
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Thanks for the info. do you mean a newer version of the DMD hardware or software? If it is the former, then it can't help the problem with the current Lune4K units I suppose? I hope they have some software update which can help resolve it. Thanks
New hardware.

On a side note, I've pretty much made up my mind on the Lune 4K. It's either this or the Jmgo U1. I wanted to let CES pass before deciding and IMO it was somewhat of a disappointment for the UST side of things. A bunch of new $3k-up models were shown, none of which can come close to producing P3 color, except maybe the Hisense. It just seems like a step backward to be paying that much $$ in 2019 for Rec.709.
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New hardware.

On a side note, I've pretty much made up my mind on the Lune 4K. It's either this or the Jmgo U1. I wanted to let CES pass before deciding and IMO it was somewhat of a disappointment for the UST side of things. A bunch of new $3k-up models were shown, none of which can come close to producing P3 color, except maybe the Hisense. It just seems like a step backward to be paying that much $$ in 2019 for Rec.709.
The color space for both the LG and Optoma projectors haven't even been announced yet, so I'm not sure how you can assume they won't cover P3!? The LG especially has dual lasers so it's very reasonable to assume it would have an expanded color gamut. As far as the Lune 4K is concerned, it hasn't been verified whether or not this will cover P3 either (if you have undeniable proof, please prove me wrong) and the only reference I've seen is a P3 logo on the projector but that doesn't really mean much, could be markeing mumbo jumbo. The Lune 4K also doesn't support HDCP 2.2 according to the manufacturer and then you're dealing with a Chinese import so no telling how the customer service will be.

I was looking into the Lune 4K also but now that something from more reputable manufacturers has been announced, I'll stick with the familiar. Keep in mind that all of these projectors are based on the EXACT SAME TECHNOLOGY, so any differences in color, contrast etc will come down to implementation. I'd be willing to bet that the LG and Optoma (biggest names in tech) would be able to produce a much better ultra short throw projector than Lune.

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I believe this graphic from Xgimi indicates it covers 100% DCI-P3. Google translation seems to be saying they are achieving this with either some sort of red slice in the color wheel or a type of coating, I can't tell. Hopefully someone who can read the characters can chime in:
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I believe this graphic from Xgimi indicates it covers 100% DCI-P3. Google translation seems to be saying they are achieving this with either some sort of red slice in the color wheel or a type of coating, I can't tell. Hopefully someone who can read the characters can chime in:
The gist of that passage is through new UCA colour wheel and coating technology, the machine "supports" DCI-P3, thr share of red colour is more than 18%.

To me, the sentence at the very bottom is the most revealing, it says "source of the above data is Xgimi Optical Laboratory"...
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I believe this graphic from Xgimi indicates it covers 100% DCI-P3. Google translation seems to be saying they are achieving this with either some sort of red slice in the color wheel or a type of coating, I can't tell. Hopefully someone who can read the characters can chime in:
Just marketing materials, nothing real world definitive. @schumy summed it up in his post and on top of that, most DLP 4K PJs are capable of "supporting" P3, just a matter of the actually percentage of coverage.

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CCTV vs NHK

While the player failed to handle high bit rate animation, chinese 4K tv is where this projector excels. Colours are displayed in rich hue and brightness, with red looking particularly gorgeous. Not sure if it has anything to do with the nature of the programme, anyway, some scree shots of lushan and jingangshan for your enjoyment.

In comparison, nogizaka came out somewhat underwhelming. And what a shame, as that was the best part of the 4 hour show..
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How to get those 4K TV contents qoopy? My main 4K contents source is only youtube... The colour and video quality is nice eg the 8k Bulgarian clip.
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I actually found someone on fiverr (chinese) and paid for me for the 4k movies and also got VIP subscription from two of the main chinese streaming services that have tons of plenty content. Using a vpn router setup to bypass and restrictions.

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I actually found someone on fiverr (chinese) and paid for me for the 4k movies and also got VIP subscription from two of the main chinese streaming services that have tons of plenty content. Using a vpn router setup to bypass and restrictions.

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How to get those 4K TV contents qoopy? My main 4K contents source is only youtube... The colour and video quality is nice eg the 8k Bulgarian clip.
Thanks for the info buddy.
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Using the Lune 4k for a while, watching 1080p and 4k HDR on a PET crystal 120" screen, I really love it.
I am using Zidoo Z9S as the streamer.
The picture is crisp and vivid.
The colors are great.
Blacks are deep.
Contrast is very good.
No washed colors on my machine.

I did not compare the picture with any other projector, but I am happy with what I am seeing.
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Using the Lune 4k for a while, watching 1080p and 4k HDR on a PET crystal 120" screen, I really love it.
I am using Zidoo Z9S as the streamer.
The picture is crisp and vivid.
The colors are great.
Blacks are deep.
Contrast is very good.
No washed colors on my machine.


I did not compare the picture with any other projector, but I am happy with what I am seeing.
Hi buddy, would you recommend the Zidoo Z9S for playing 4K YouTube and 4k UHD files? Can Lune's Bluetooth remote control be used to control the Z9S (or vice versa)?

I quite like my 4K Lune too. I am also using it on a 100" PET Crystal soft.screen. I just hope its black level/contrast is better (closer to LED TV). The top and bottom bars on movies appear as grey not black...
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Hi buddy, would you recommend the Zidoo Z9S for playing 4K YouTube and 4k UHD files? Can Lune's Bluetooth remote control be used to control the Z9S (or vice versa)?

I quite like my 4K Lune too. I am also using it on a 100" PET Crystal soft.screen. I just hope its black level/contrast is better (closer to LED TV). The top and bottom bars on movies appear as grey not black...
The Zidoo Z9S is not a recommended streamer for Either Netflix or YouTube. However, I would recommend it without hesitation for 4k HDR files
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The Zidoo Z9S is not a recommended streamer for Either Netflix or YouTube. However, I would recommend it without hesitation for 4k HDR files
Thanks DeOxidizer. Is Z9S good at upscaling 1080p videos to 4K (eg in terms of improving the picture details and smoothing out pixelization effect)? Thanks
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I actually found someone on fiverr (chinese) and paid for me for the 4k movies and also got VIP subscription from two of the main chinese streaming services that have tons of plenty content. Using a vpn router setup to bypass and restrictions.
Didn't see it mentioned, but I'm guessing this projector also suffers from the light border? Thinking of this or the Mijia 4k.
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Spring Festival

Have been playing with some HLG test clips. Getting the x700 and ub820 to do HLG well turns out to be a real challenge. In the end had to settle on converting the HLG clip into PQ and engaging ub820's SDR/HD2020 output mode. While there's no doubt these video would look a lot better on a 400o nits display, doing this in a round about way seems to get the best out of the Lune4K. Here are some highlights for your enjoyment.
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4K model is XJ02P.
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4K model is XJ02P.
I don't see where its listed there. Just that

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I think i will order it ! It seemes to be a great deal even if it's the 1080p model

I have some questions before :

Is it really 4k ? Or like the xiaomi ust 150, 1080p native + 4k support (wobulation ? lens shift ?)

Is there a way to change the menu in english ? I saw some post on the 1080p lune thread where someone ask you to pay for changing the menu in english.

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The xj02p uses an optotune xpr shifter to address all 4k pixels, but is not able to resolve alternate pixel test patterns. Up to you to decide if this is good enough to be called 4K.
The chinese menu is quite simple, so best to be left alone.
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