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bix26 11-01-2018 06:57 PM

BenQ W2700 Anticipation
 
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A very interesting projector from BenQ. Promising 94% DCI-P3 color space coverage, a 1.13-1.47 throw range, 3D compatibility and vertical lens shift. The W2700 projector seems to be the true 4K successor of BenQ’s beloved HT2050/HT3050 projectors. I for one am excited to find out more about this projector and what it’s US model name will be.

https://www.benq.com/en/projector/ci...ications1.html

MJ1 11-01-2018 07:38 PM

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Its got better specs than w1700/ht2550, contrast is 3x better with lens shift but doesnt say size of the 4k dlp chip. I wish they offered these in black as well.

bix26 11-01-2018 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ1 (Post 57049606)
Its got better specs than w1700/ht2550, contrast is 3x better with lens shift but doesnt say size of the 4k dlp chip. I wish they offered these in black as well.



It says .47 in the overview section. For some reason it’s not in the spec sheet.

MJ1 11-01-2018 07:59 PM

Yes, I see it now. USB firmware upgrade is nice if they let consumers upgrade. I think it will be announced at CES if not before.

dreamer 11-01-2018 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57049444)
A very interesting projector from BenQ. Promising 94% DCI-P3 color space coverage, a 1.13-1.47 throw range, 3D compatibility and vertical lens shift. The W2700 projector seems to be the true 4K successor of BenQ’s beloved HT2050/HT3050 projectors. I for one am excited to find out more about this projector and what it’s US model name will be.

https://www.benq.com/en/projector/ci...ications1.html


It does sound very interesting. Getting back into a relatively short throw distance that make it a drop-in replace for the HT2050 or even the older W1070 will attract a lot of buyers. And if that improvement to contrast is real, it will be an upgrade to the HT2050A across the board -- I know going backwards in contrast has held a lot of people back from upgrading to 4k. I hope somewhere in there they have fixed the annoying lamp pumping my TK800 does in SmartECO that was never an issue with the older Benqs.


Of course, whether it is really a "successor" to the HT2050A depends on the MSRP.

swarm87 11-01-2018 08:13 PM

4k HDR 3D & what appears to be a motorized lens cover in one package; hopefully it comes in a ST flavor too, if that's the case my HT will finally be 100% complete(barring a 18GHZ hdmi cable and a plex client)

Dave in Green 11-01-2018 08:32 PM

I assume the "active iris" refers to what's more commonly called a dynamic iris, that the higher contrast spec is for dynamic contrast due to the dynamic iris and that native contrast will be no different from other models without the iris.

bix26 11-01-2018 08:55 PM

BenQ W2700 Anticipation
 
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Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57049792)
I assume the "active iris" refers to what's more commonly called a dynamic iris, that the higher contrast spec is for dynamic contrast due to the dynamic iris and that native contrast will be no different from other models without the iris.



They reference both dynamic iris and dynamic contrast in the same sentence. It certainly implies that it uses both. If not it would be extremely misleading imo.
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bix26 11-01-2018 09:02 PM

BenQ W2700 Anticipation
 
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Originally Posted by dreamer (Post 57049714)
It does sound very interesting. Getting back into a relatively short throw distance that make it a drop-in replace for the HT2050 or even the older W1070 will attract a lot of buyers. And if that improvement to contrast is real, it will be an upgrade to the HT2050A across the board -- I know going backwards in contrast has held a lot of people back from upgrading to 4k. I hope somewhere in there they have fixed the annoying lamp pumping my TK800 does in SmartECO that was never an issue with the older Benqs.


Of course, whether it is really a "successor" to the HT2050A depends on the MSRP.



I have my doubts that the contrast will be an improvement over any other .67 DC3 projector even with a dynamic iris. I’m hoping that they have at least improved the contrast performance of the .47 XPR enough to make all its other advantages worth while.

bix26 11-01-2018 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyroo (Post 57049934)
They have improved it. Goodbye gray border.



Where have you heard this? I haven’t heard anything about the gray boarder being solved.

MJ DOOM 11-01-2018 09:45 PM

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This is basically a slighty stripped down JVC LX-UH1 which BenQ also developed.

bix26 11-01-2018 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ DOOM (Post 57049986)
This is basically a JVC LX-UH1 which BenQ also developed.



That seems like a bit of an assumption. The JVC-UH1 had a longer throw, no 3D, far less DCI-P3 coverage, no FI, no Iris, no factory calibration. I’m not saying the LX-UH1 is better or worse, I’m just pretty sure they are very much different.

bix26 11-01-2018 11:02 PM

What is really weird to me is the way BenQ has began marketing this projector. No announcement, they just kind of put it on their website with no press release right in between IFA 2018 and CES 2019. Seems like really strange timing to me. I understand that they probably don’t want people to upgrade during the holiday season, just to announce it early January. It just seems odd to me.

Monkd 11-01-2018 11:26 PM

I think somebody messed up. I think it wasn't supposed to be up on the homepage until announcement.

They took it down right away.

:)Anyways, it seems like W2700 will be announced sometime. Probably at CES 2019.

Here is a link to the page with original page from and australian vendor


https://www.justprojectors.com.au/benqw2700.htm

josfuq 11-02-2018 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57050100)
What is really weird to me is the way BenQ has began marketing this projector. No announcement, they just kind of put it on their website with no press release right in between IFA 2018 and CES 2019. Seems like really strange timing to me. I understand that they probably don’t want people to upgrade during the holiday season, just to announce it early January. It just seems odd to me.

It's not marketing but the technical mistake, I found that page accidentally just googling any upcoming 4k projectors, they already removed all pages about it.




Main Specifications
Resolution
4K UHD (3840 x 2160)
Brightness (ANSI lumens)
2000 ANSI Lumens
Contrast Ratio (FOFO)
30,000:1
Speaker
Chamber Speaker 5W x 2
Display Projection System
DLP
Resolution
4K UHD (3840 x 2160)
Resolution Support
VGA (640 x 480) to 4K UHD (3840 x 2160)
Brightness (ANSI lumens)
2000 ANSI Lumens
Contrast Ratio (FOFO)
30,000:1
Display Color
30 Bits (1,07 billion colors)
Native Aspect Ratio
Native 16:9 (6 aspect ratio selectable)
Light Source 
Lamp
Light Source Wattage
245W‎
Light Source Life 
Normal 4,000 hours
Economic 10,000 hours
SmartEco 15,000 hours
Optical Throw Ratio
1.13 - 1.47 (100" @ 2.5 m)
Zoom Ratio
1.3X
Lens
F/# = 1.9 - 2.47, f = 12 - 15.6 mm
Lens Shift
Vertical 100%~110%
Keystone Adjustment
1D, (Auto) Vertical ± 30 degrees
Projection Offset
105%
Clear Image Size (Diagonal)
40"~200" 
Image Size
30"~200" 
Horizontal Frequency
15K-135KHz
Vertical Scan Rate
23-120Hz
Picture Mode
Bright / Vivid TV / Cinema (Rec. 709) / D. Cinema / Silence / User 1 (HDR / HLG / ISF Night / ISF Day / 3D*)
Color Wheel Segment
6-Segment (RGBRGB)‎
Color Wheel Speed
2D: 24Hz 2X ; 50Hz 2X; 60Hz 2X
3D: 120Hz
Rec.709 Coverage
100%
DCI-P3 Coverage
94%

Speaker
Chamber Speaker 5W x 2
Interface
HDMI
X2 HDMI (2.0a/HDCP2.2)
USB Type A 
X1 (5V/2.5A power)
X1 ((Media Reader, FW download)
USB Type mini B
X1 (FW download, service)
Audio out (3.5mm Mini Jack)
X1 (mini jack)
DC 12V Trigger (3.5mm Jack)
X1  (3.5mm Jack)
IR Receiver
2 (Front/Top)

Motion Enhancer (MEMC)
Yes
ISF Night/ Day
Yes
CinemaMaster Video +
Yes
CinemaMaster Audio+2
Yes

HDTV Compatibility
720p 50/60Hz, 1080i 50/60Hz, 1080p 24/25/30/50/60Hz, 2160p 23/24/25/30/60Hz
3D Compatibility‎
Yes

Power Supply
VAC 100 ~ 240 (50/60Hz)
Typical Power Consumption
Max 350W, Normal 340W, Eco 280W
Standby Power Consumption
0.5W Max. at 100 ~ 240VAC
Acoustic Noise (Typ./Eco.)
30/28dBA (Silence mode)
Operating Temperature
0~40 degrees (Celcius)

Dimensions (W x H x D)(mm)
380 x 127 x 263
Net Weight (Kg/ lbs )
4.2 kg / 9.2 lbs


Accessories (Standard)
Carton
Yes
Remote Control w/ Battery 
x 1 (5J.JKC06.001)
Power Cord (by region)
x 1 (3m)
User Manual CD
Yes (27L)
Quick Start Guide
Yes (21L)
Warranty Card (by region)
Yes
Lens cover
Yes

Accessories (Optional)
Spare Lamp Kit
Yes (5J.JKC05.001)
3D Glasses
YES

OSD Language
Arabic/ Bulgarian/ Croatian/ Czech/ Danish/ Dutch/ English/ Finnish/ French/ German/ Greek/ Hindi/ Hungarian/ Italian/ Indonesian/ Japanese/ Korean/ Norwegian/ Polish/ Portuguese/ Romanian/ Russian/ Simplified Chinese/ Spanish/ Swedish/ Turkish/ Thai/ Traditional Chinese (28 Languages)

Eliasz Perun 11-02-2018 02:18 AM

On another australian site ( I can't put link because have only three posts) they say that it's coming 3rd november. Hope it will come soon also to europe. I'm planning to buy projector this month and was between optoma uhd 51a and 51alv but they were not easy to buy here in norway. Benq is very popular so if they release this model in november then I will take a shot.

JRock3x8 11-02-2018 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MJ1 (Post 57049682)
Yes, I see it now. USB firmware upgrade is nice if they let consumers upgrade. I think it will be announced at CES if not before.

there are a couple Australian websites saying to expect it in November.

ToddUGA 11-02-2018 03:52 AM

Looks like a nice replacement for my 1070. Can't wait to read the first reviews.

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JRock3x8 11-02-2018 04:59 AM

Mods please merge the other W2700 thread into here.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post57050754

JRock3x8 11-02-2018 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ToddUGA (Post 57050596)
Looks like a nice replacement for my 1070. Can't wait to read the first reviews.

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unless I misunderstand what I saw from the website yesterday, it's a darn near perfect replacement for the W1070.

bix26 11-02-2018 07:28 AM

BenQ W2700 Anticipation
 
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Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57050760)
unless I misunderstand what I saw from the website yesterday, it's a darn near perfect replacement for the W1070.



I agree, if they had made the ht2550 more like this I think they would have totally owned the sub $2,000 projector market. Just like the HT2050 did for the sub $1,000 price range.

MJ1 11-02-2018 09:31 AM

Hope they release similar unit with 1.5x zoom.

Dave in Green 11-02-2018 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkd (Post 57050130)
I think somebody messed up. I think it wasn't supposed to be up on the homepage until announcement.

They took it down right away. ...

If you do a Google search for BenQ W2700 you can still view a cached version of the info that has been taken off the BenQ site.

Dave in Green 11-02-2018 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57049964)
Where have you heard this? I haven’t heard anything about the gray boarder being solved.

It's been reported that TI has revised the 0.47" XPR chip to greatly reduce the gray light border. The new DMD is identified as S316 but there's little data available about it other than a simple reference on page 3 of the TI document linked to here:

ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dlp470tp.pdf

JRock3x8 11-02-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57052228)
It's been reported that TI has revised the 0.47" XPR chip to greatly reduce the gray light border. The new DMD is identified as S316 but there's little data available about it other than a simple reference on page 3 of the TI document linked to here:



ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dlp470tp.pdf



Neat.


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SirParzival 11-02-2018 10:41 AM

From an Australian WebSite:

BenQ W2700 - True 4k Projector with HDR UHD, Rec.709, and 1.2X Zoom for Pictures in Any Space|W2700

4K UHD with Razor-Sharp True 8.3 Million Pixel Detail
Hyper-Realistic Video Quality with Projector-Optimized HDR
Rec. 709 HDTV Standard for Finest Cinematic Color Accuracy
Lens Shift
The W2700 projector integrates high-performance optical engine projection and a user-friendlydesign to deliver high reliability and ease of use.

BenQ W2700 projector offers the following features.

• Dual HDMI inputs to swap between sources

• Air Filter free design to lower maintenance and operating costs

• Auto keystone function to correct image keystoning automatically

• Brilliant color / UNISHAPE to provide truer, more vibrant colors in picture

• Closed captioning to display the dialogue, narration, and sound effects of TV programs and videos

• Variable audio output

• Wall color correction allowing projection on surfaces of several predefined colors so using a projection screen is optional

• Quick auto search speeding up the input signal detecting process

• Selectable password protected function

• 3D color management allowing colour adjustments to your liking

• Selectable quick cooling function making the projector cool in a shorter time so you can move it faster

• High quality manual zoom lens

• One-key auto-adjustment to display the best picture quality

• Adjustable color balance control for data/video display

• Ability to display 16.7 million colors

• Switchable normal and economic modes to reduce the power consumption and lengthen lamp life

• Built-in speaker providing mixed mono audio when an audio input is connected

• Component HDTV compatibility (YPbPr)

• HDCP compatibility

• 3D ready function for enjoying the 3D content, requires optional 3D glasses

bix26 11-02-2018 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57052228)
It's been reported that TI has revised the 0.47" XPR chip to greatly reduce the gray light border. The new DMD is identified as S316 but there's little data available about it other than a simple reference on page 3 of the TI document linked to here:



ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dlp470tp.pdf



That’s good news. I wasn’t bothered too much by the actual border itself. It’s the typically much lower contrast compared to the .66 DMD that bothered me. Some people have speculated that the boarder is the cause of the lower contrast. Hopefully both the boarder and contrast have been improved.

pwang8 11-02-2018 12:14 PM

Any info on what the MSRP is?

scottyroo 11-02-2018 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57051362)
I agree, if they had made the ht2550 more like this I think they would have totally owned the sub $2,000 projector market. Just like the HT2050 did for the sub $1,000 price range.

My contact at BenQ has shared with me some crucial info about the W2700.

First things first, some of you might remember a post I made almost a year ago about the HT2550. I feel the post from January was more or less 100% accurate in hindsight, if viewed from the lens that the Rev2 of the HT2550 is considered this W2700. Don't get me wrong, I ended up LOVING the HT2550 (W1700) and TK800 but I was still pretty vocal that it wasn't the 'silver bullet' budget 4k option.... yet. It was (is), in my opinion, the best value projector for the money that we have in the market today, but it continued to leave consumers in a young DLP 4k projector left wanting for a projector with similar fantastic color performance, but with better contrast in the sub $2,000 price range.

So lets talk more about the HT3550! On paper, I'm legit GIDDY about this projector. It seems as if BenQ has taken customer feedback and bundled it up in the new HT3550. This is a completely new projector from the ground up. I'll temper my expectations until I can get my hands on one, but I feel like this has a chance to be THE 'silver bullet' for mass 4K projector adoption. If BenQ can execute on the performance... this will be a big seller. A huge part of this is the direct upgrade path from the hugely popular W1070 and HT2050 since the lens shift, offset, and throw are the same. A wise move by BenQ since the space requirements of the HT2550 ruled itself out for some consumers with tighter spaces.

So here is what I know.... some new info, some info already confirmed by the website slip:

- The W2700 will be named HT3550 in North America (confirmed!)
- The HT3550 will be announced before CES 2019 and available in January or February of 2019 (confirmed!)
- HT3550 is being positioned as the 4K version of the current 1080p HT3050 (which is the higher end version of the HT2050)
- Confirmed features:
- 4K 8.3M pixel using a .47" TI DMD (specific TI chip yet to be confirmed)
- 100% Rec.709 Coverage
- 3D (yep!)
- MEMC/CFI (yep!)
- HLG (!!!)
- Integrated video player for USB drive playback
- User upgradable firmware (hallelujah)
- Faster, single and central processor (faster load times, also allows for user-upgradable firmware - I love this)
- 94% DCI-P3 Coverage (!!!!) - factory calibration report to be included with each unit continuing on the tradition of great out of box colors that BenQ is known for
- ISFccc certified
- DynamicBlack Active Iris (!!!!!!Woohoo!!!!!)
- 1.13~1.47:1 Throw ratio - same as W1070 and HT2050
- 10% Lens Shift
- I've also confirmed that there will be a big promotion in November and December on the HT2550. Those on very tight budget - this is the time to get in 4K projection.
- My personal thoughts are that for the tons of people who have the W1070 and HT2050 who have been holding out for better contrast/feature set, wait for the HT3550 since throw is direct replacement and the contrast is going to be a lot better on this PJ.
- Price is confirmed for the HT3550 to be higher than the current $1,399 price for the HT2550. So if you are budget minded. Might wanna pull the trigger on the HT2550 while on discount.
- Experience event is being scheduled for LA and NYC targeting W1070 and HT2050 users in Feb 19.


What gets me most excited about the HT3550 is the dynamic iris, MEMC, HLG, Lens Shift, new optical engine (better color), new processor, USB playback, and new throw ratio. Big upgrades (throw is subjective) from the HT2550.

As far as I know, this will be the first projector in the world with HLG which is going to be the new standard of delivering HDR over live broadcasts.

MEMC will be great while watching sports. The annoying lack of lens shift will be remedied on the HT3550, and it look like the color accuracy from the new optical engine will offer some improvement on already great color reporoduction from the HT2550

All told, we will have to wait and see if BenQ can deliver on this impressive spec list, but it SOOOO encouraging to see that they listened to their customers from their first attempt at 4K.

Can't wait!!!

kraine 11-03-2018 02:03 AM

There is no chance that the W2700 will be out in November. It will be available in Europe on Februar 2019 :

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...adre-lumineux/


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