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I remain somewhat confused. To the right is the BenQ 2700 and to the left the BenQ W5700 which apparently doesn't have a devoted thread of its own, yet.


AFAIK the knobs on the top of the W5700 are for vertical and horizontal lens shift.

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Well sadly I am returning my TK800.

I love everything about it except 3D. I watched a few movies and no matter what the picture is a tiny bit blurry and the color is off, like no contrast. That weird green tint is always there.

I hooked up my HD142X again to compare even using DLP Link and sure enough the color is better, contrast much better, and picture is more clear.

Sucks too because I love the 4K HDR presentation.

Anyone have any idea if these new BenQ units will rid the green tint and have a better 3D presentation? I think it's gotta be the DMD on the clarity.


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You guys are research nuts. Looking at specs of TK800 it says it displays 3D at 720p. But the specs for the Optoma UHD51ALV which is the same thing rgbwrgbw xpr .47 DMD says it does 3D at 1080p

Is their a way to confirm this and if so is there a reason for it?

Will this PJ in the thread title have 1080p 3D without the weird green tint?

Not the right thread for this. I'd recommend posting this over in the TK800 thread. What I will say is I had a TK800 here for review and had no issues with green tint. I also had no issues with resolution-- the TK800 displayed Full HD 3D from my bluray player. The ONLY issue I had was with off brand glasses on HDMI input 1. The solution was to use the (rather pricey) BenQ OEM glasses or switch my input to HDMI 2. Again, you'll find a lot more information and help in the TK800 thread.
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I remain somewhat confused. To the right is the BenQ 2700 and to the left the BenQ W5700 which apparently doesn't have a devoted thread of its own, yet.


AFAIK the knobs on the top of the W5700 are for vertical and horizontal lens shift.


The W5700 hasn’t been confirmed for stateside release yet. We also don’t know it’s price— it may end up in the >$3000 forum although I hope that’s not the case. Being that it uses the less expensive DLP47 my hope is it will come in close to the $2k mark. We need more mid range DLPs with better feature sets.
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Thanks. The reason I also posted here was because I wanted to know if this PJ would have the same issue.

I'll try input 2 and see.
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@longhornsk57 , since I have no personal interest in 3D I've done little reading about it so I hope that others who know a lot more about 3D than I do can help you. One thing I will say is that it's fairly consistent in almost every projector review that when tested in brightest mode they show a green tint. That's because when trying to achieve maximum lumens color balance is thrown out the window in search of every last available lumen and green is usually the predominant color.

Since 3D is so much dimmer than 2D, projectors need to be in one of their brightest modes to produce a 3D image that isn't too dark. In some projectors this could result in a green tint to the 3D image. Many reviewers have commented that it's possible to remove most of the green tint in brightest mode by simply going in to the menu and individually adjusting down green brightness. You will lose some total lumens by reducing green lumens but you can get a more balanced color image. If I were you I would at least experiment with this before returning your TK800. Just reduce green brightness until the image looks balanced to your eyes and then see if it's still bright enough in 3D to suit your needs.

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Well sadly I am returning my TK800.

I love everything about it except 3D. I watched a few movies and no matter what the picture is a tiny bit blurry and the color is off, like no contrast. That weird green tint is always there.

I hooked up my HD142X again to compare even using DLP Link and sure enough the color is better, contrast much better, and picture is more clear.

Sucks too because I love the 4K HDR presentation.

Anyone have any idea if these new BenQ units will rid the green tint and have a better 3D presentation? I think it's gotta be the DMD on the clarity.


Edit: @sage11x and @Dave in Green

You guys are research nuts. Looking at specs of TK800 it says it displays 3D at 720p. But the specs for the Optoma UHD51ALV which is the same thing rgbwrgbw xpr .47 DMD says it does 3D at 1080p

Is their a way to confirm this and if so is there a reason for it?

Will this PJ in the thread title have 1080p 3D without the weird green tint?


My TK800 unit didn’t have the issues with clarity or tint you are explaining. My unit also did 3D in full HD, not 720p. I’m happy to DM you a quick video of how my TK800 screen looks with 3D engaged.

The only complaint I had with the TK800 and HT2550 in regards to 3D is the manual nature of engaging 3D and the amount of time it took the 3D content recognition to handshake and engage.

My BenQ contact is a senior product manager and has had some good hands-on time with the projector. He shared some very encouraging updates on 3D improvements with the HT3550/W2700. 3D engagement and type will be automatically detected and engaged. It does this much quicker than current gen. Also more types are supported for those with their own digital 3D collection. It will lock to 3D type “Auto” on a 3D Blu Ray. On all other 3D content, user can change to Frame packing, Side by side, and Top-bottom.

He also shared that black level performance is much improved from the HT2550. A few side by side photos he sent of out of box comparisons I saw are encouraging. I have asked for some more side by side sample unit shots to share. Maybe Monday.

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Please do DM me. Literally all I want is as good 3D as a standard 1080p 3D DLP does...

because I am still looking at getting THIS projector or the white slice variant and it still uses the same basic technology.
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Please do DM me. Literally all I want is as good 3D as a standard 1080p 3D DLP does...

because I am still looking at getting THIS projector or the white slice variant and it still uses the same basic technology.


I would consider waiting for the TK800M. With the revised chip it will likely be much better in terms of contrast and 3D detection. I doubt that it will cost anymore than the TK800 currently costs.
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I would consider waiting for the TK800M. With the revised chip it will likely be much better in terms of contrast and 3D detection. I doubt that it will cost anymore than the TK800 currently costs.


You are looking at Q2 for the TK800M. It will be interesting to see how much the DMD change alone (and a better lens) will affect contrast in the exact same chassis as the TK800.

While the DMD is changing, I don’t anticipate the processing chip structure changing in the TK800M. Meaning, the 3D detection will most likely be unchanged. That is my speculation alone though.

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because I am still looking at getting THIS projector or the white slice variant and it still uses the same basic technology.
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The W5700 hasn’t been confirmed for stateside release yet. We also don’t know it’s price— it may end up in the >$3000 forum although I hope that’s not the case.

Here is a first hint from the Middle East: https://gear-up.me/dlp-proj-benq-w57...-uhd-hdmi.html


Supposedly somewhere around 3,000 €.
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AFAIK the knobs on the top of the W5700 are for vertical and horizontal lens shift.[/QUOTE]

The same knobs as my BenQ HT4050. Not impressed how these knobs works, in the beginning I thought they were not working. But of course, the HT4050 only has 5% lens shift horizontal and 12% vertical.
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Supposedly somewhere around 3,000 €.
Yes so I have an update on this.


The W5700 will be called the HT5550 here in the US. As I suspected, this model will only be available through BenQ's dealer network.

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mxj814xzn...29.30.mov?dl=0
That does somewhat. It still looks green as hell before the glasses which do admittedly mute it whereas the 1080p units don't have that.

I'll play with input 2 tonight and see if that makes any difference. The TK800M is an interesting unit and I may just wait till it comes out and hopefully fixed some of these issues.
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The W5700 will be called the HT5550 here in the US. As I suspected, this model will only be available through BenQ's dealer network.

How does this BenQ dealer network work? Is there costs beyond the price of the PJ?
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How does this BenQ dealer network work? Is there costs beyond the price of the PJ?


Dealer/installer network. Similar to the HT6050 and HT8050/9050. Similar to how Epson will sell you a 4050 through their dealer network but will sell you a 4010 direct to you at Best Buy. I doubt you’ll ever see this HT5550 sold on amazon, for example.

I recommend we keep the discussion here on this thread to the Ht3550/W2700 and, if someone wants, they can start a separate HT5550 thread. Just to keep the confusion to a minimum.
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https://www.justprojectors.com.au/benqw2700.htm

This same spec sheet is on a lot of Australian sites, no pricing yet.

How does this compare to Epson top e-shift machines, like the 9300?
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This same spec sheet is on a lot of Australian sites, no pricing yet.

How does this compare to Epson top e-shift machines, like the 9300?
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This same spec sheet is on a lot of Australian sites, no pricing yet.

How does this compare to Epson top e-shift machines, like the 9300?
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I am anxiously awaiting the HT3550. I currently have a W1070 that continues to serve me well. I reached out to BenQ North America this week to ask a few questions. One is to verify that the throw on the HT3550 was identical to the W1070 and they indicated "they are pretty much the same". I then asked if announcement was to be at CES and I did not get an answer. What I was told was "The HT3550 is not confirmed yet, but is scheduled for February or March". I asked for pricing and availability and that is all I could get. I guess I will hang around and wait like everyone else.

In the meantime, I am setting up a Dolby Atmos 5.2.4 with my new Marantz SR7012 and Paradigm speakers/subs. This will all be ready when the HT3550 is available to come home and join the show!
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I am anxiously awaiting the HT3550. I currently have a W1070 that continues to serve me well. I reached out to BenQ North America this week to ask a few questions. One is to verify that the throw on the HT3550 was identical to the W1070 and they indicated "they are pretty much the same". I then asked if announcement was to be at CES and I did not get an answer. What I was told was "The HT3550 is not confirmed yet, but is scheduled for February or March". I asked for pricing and availability and that is all I could get. I guess I will hang around and wait like everyone else.



In the meantime, I am setting up a Dolby Atmos 5.2.4 with my new Marantz SR7012 and Paradigm speakers/subs. This will all be ready when the HT3550 is available to come home and join the show!


Can confirm same throw, lens shift, and offset as W1070. Should be straight up swap. W1070 owners are big target audience for this projector.

Price will be $1,500-$1,700(ish).

Feb/Mar timeline is accurate.

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Can confirm same throw, lens shift, and offset as W1070. Should be straight up swap. W1070 owners are big target audience for this projector.

Price will be $1,500-$1,700(ish).

Feb/Mar timeline is accurate.

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Is it correct that the new W2700/HT3550 will have 200 lumens LESS light output than W1700; ANSI 2000 lumens vs 2200 lumens? Will the dynamic iris compensate for the lesser light output of the W2700?

For us W1700 owners who might consider an upgrade, it is positive that the light border has been removed, and that they’ve made the W2700 USB-upgradable. In addition it would have been very tempting if the new unit gets much less switching time (HD>4K->HD and startup time) than the W1700, but we’ll probably have to wait until we have some reviews before we can be certain of that.
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Is it correct that the new W2700/HT3550 will have 200 lumens LESS light output than W1700; ANSI 2000 lumens vs 2200 lumens? Will the dynamic iris compensate for the lesser light output of the W2700?



For us W1700 owners who might consider an upgrade, it is positive that the light border has been removed, and that they’ve made the W2700 USB-upgradable. In addition it would have been very tempting if the new unit gets much less switching time (HD>4K->HD and startup time) than the W1700, but we’ll probably have to wait until we have some reviews before we can be certain of that.


You’re on the right track.

Less lumens is due to new optical engine and filter with priority on color accuracy.

Not sure how dynamic iris could compensate for less light output at the high end since its purpose is to improve black levels in dark scenes.

While max green output may decrease, reality will be that the brightness difference on calibrated/best bright modes will be imperceptible compared to HT2550.

Light border will be gone, or rather the pond of mirrors decreased to the normal POM of every other DLP pre-xpr.

USB upgradable confirmed.

Switching time should be decreased with integrated SOC instead of 3 processor chips.

Also the dark plastic piece in front of the lens array is to solve for a gripe I’ve had on these projectors since my W1070. The ceiling halo. A very welcome solution!!
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You’re on the right track.

Less lumens is due to new optical engine and filter with priority on color accuracy.

Not sure how dynamic iris could compensate for less light output at the high end since its purpose is to improve black levels in dark scenes.

While max green output may decrease, reality will be that the brightness difference on calibrated/best bright modes will be imperceptible compared to HT2550.

Light border will be gone, or rather the pond of mirrors decreased to the normal POM of every other DLP pre-xpr.

USB upgradable confirmed.

Switching time should be decreased with integrated SOC instead of 3 processor chips.

Also the dark plastic piece in front of the lens array is to solve for a gripe I’ve had on these projectors since my W1070. The ceiling halo. A very welcome solution!!


The ceiling halo is a little annoying, I just hope that the lens cover reflections don’t pollute the light path too much.
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i hope the buy button is this week cuz lord watching anything on a 27" monitor ALSO TN monitor.....

come on benq give us that buy button .
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I wonder if I should hold off until this has a pricetag and purchase button. 🤔🤔
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