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BenQ W5700 first projector with HDR10+

https://www.heimkino.de/news/benq-w5...0-beamer-kommt
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BenQ W2700 is priced at 1,799 euros while the W5700 will arrive in the first quarter of 2019 with a list of 2,999 euros.

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U.S. site is up.

https://www.benq.com/en-us/projector...ma/ht3550.html

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Out of all the features BenQ highlighted, I couldn't help but notice the absence of the "Motion Enhancer 4K".


So is the creative Frame Interpolation (FI) of these new BenQ projectors underwhelming? IMHO it's really about time BenQ acknowledges that this is an important feature to many prospective customers or they'll loose business to those brands that do feature good or better than average FI.

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https://www.heimkino.de/news/benq-w5...0-beamer-kommt
Very nice, except the specs on this page seem to indicate a native DMD resolution of 2,048 x 1200, just like the old chip .... but maybe that info is not 100% correct, or the light border issue is solved in some other way?
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https://www.heimkino.de/news/benq-w5...0-beamer-kommt
Very nice, except the specs on this page seem to indicate a native DMD resolution of 2,048 x 1200, just like the old chip .... but maybe that info is not 100% correct, or the light border issue is solved in some other way?
It’s modified version of that .47 chip
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Very nice, except the specs on this page seem to indicate a native DMD resolution of 2,048 x 1200, just like the old chip .... but maybe that info is not 100% correct, or the light border issue is solved in some other way?

Good catch! So is it 0.47" and just Full HD or 0.67" @ 2,048 x 1200?


The 3D compatibility would probably rather indicate the 0.47" DMD

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Good catch! So is it 0.47" and just Full HD or 0.67" @ 2,048 x 1200?


The 3D compatibility would probably rather indicate the 0.47" DMD


The HT3550/W2700 uses the new and improved DLP47 .47” DMD (4 way shift) that has a significantly reduced light border. It’s native resolution is 1920x1080. *Although the actual mirror count on the DMD could be larger.

The light border on the older .47” chips was caused by an unusually large pond of mirrors. The native resolution was still 1920x1080 but the chip itself had a mirror count of 2,048x1200. Whether or not the new chip has a reduced pond of mirrors or some form of internal masking we’re not sure yet. I can ask and get back with you.

In either case, this is NOT the DLP66 .66” DMD (2 way shift) that is used in the Optoma UHd60/65 and BenQ Ht9050. That larger chip has a native resolution of 2716x1528 that is then doubled to produce a 4K image.
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Engineering sample units of the W2700/HT3550 are being finalized. My BenQ contact just sent some side by side HDR comparisons between the HT2550 and HT3550.

The HT2550 (bottom) is in HDR mode out of the box. The HT3550 (top) is HDR out of the box and also has the DCI-P3 filter enabled. Default settings on he HT3550 have HDR PRO, Dynamic Iris, and Dynamic Black (software dimming) enabled.

Keep in mind the HT2550 had superb color accuracy and Delta-E for this price range.

Let me preface these impressions with the fact that we are looking at pictures of an image. I have not yet seen the projector image in person. So take these with a grain of salt until reviews come in. With that said, I like what I see.

The image with Vision getting the gem removed from his head... I noticed the increased color and detail around the gem on the HT 3550. The handling of bloom is improved. I also noticed the increased shadow detail at the base of his neck. The shadow detail is also improved on the shoulder area as well. Overall Delta-E and image smoothness on the HDR image seems improved.

The image of the Scarlet Witch is the same story on the Delta E and image smoothness. The flesh tone looks to be improved in this HDR sample.

In the spaceship image, at first glance both images look great I think thanks due in large part to the art direction of the scene. Upon closer inspection, two areas of image show off some early prowess of HDR-Pro. First, the clouds. The shadow detail is vastly improved in the bottom left, the ship underbelly, and the entire right 20% of the image. Second, look at the bright star. Bloom is handled much better and lends to a much more balanced image to my eye.

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Awesome, thanks! Boy I'm getting excited. Even if I don't get it til the end of the year. I haven't had a big upgrade to look forward to since I upgraded to the largest Klipsch speakers. It's nice to get the upgraditis anticipation again.

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I don't see any "light border" on the top picture, so the ht3550 got an updated dmd 0,47 Chip?
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I don't see any "light border" on the top picture, so the ht3550 got an updated dmd 0,47 Chip?


To answer your question, yes.

But the border is very hard to pick up on camera so you’re not going to be able to see it in images like these with content on screen

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this may be a good choice for a budget 4k kind want to try one of the dlps but have scared by poor contrast
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this may be a good choice for a budget 4k kind want to try one of the dlps but have scared by poor contrast


Word is the contrast performance on this guy is improved. By how much? We will have to wait and see!

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Any specifics on release date yet?
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To answer your question, yes.

But the border is very hard to pick up on camera so you’re not going to be able to see it in images like these with content on screen
Light border fixed on updated dmd 0.47 chip = Insta buy!!
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Early to mid March
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… The image of the Scarlet Witch is the same story on the Delta E and image smoothness. The flesh tone looks to be improved in this HDR sample. …
Good overall analysis considering the limitations of small, compressed images of much larger images. One thing I noticed about the Scarlet Witch is a slightly more blue-green skin tone. This is reinforced by looking at the lower left corner of the image where the blue-green is more pronounced and red more subdued with the HT3550. Hard to say which projector is more true to the original content but colors could likely be calibrated to be more similar.

EDIT: My mistake, I had the models reversed. It's the HT3550 that has a more reddish balance and the HT2700 more blue-greenish. This is consistent with what was discovered with the HT2050 and HT3050.
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Word is the contrast performance on this guy is improved. By how much? We will have to wait and see!
If the revised chip still has the same large pond of mirrors and black level performance is improved along with major reduction of the light border then it will be interesting to learn if TI has come up with a method to reduce light scatter that could be applied to all DMDs or if this DMD is just catching up with other DMDs.
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If the revised chip still has the same large pond of mirrors and black level performance is improved along with major reduction of the light border then it will be interesting to learn if TI has come up with a method to reduce light scatter that could be applied to all DMDs or if this DMD is just catching up with other DMDs.
In addition to a better optical engine engineered to better handle the POM, I believe the new chip they are using has a pond of micro-mirrors width of 20 instead of 80-84. I could be wrong, so someone please correct me if that is not the new POM width. I am pulling that info from the DLP470TP DMD tech document and I think that is the DLP470TE's little brother, not a new generation of XPR chip. I'm also not sure of the method or if they masked at all, either. All I know is that "light border" probably won't be a thing on this projector anymore. Hopefully

I also think that eliminating the dead weight of the mirrors and the light scattering from said POM will be one of a few contributors to better black level performance.

Sorry for the ambiguous post - just my hunches.

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Engineering sample units of the W2700/HT3550 are being finalized. My BenQ contact just sent some side by side HDR comparisons between the HT2550 and HT3550.

The HT2550 (bottom) is in HDR mode out of the box. The HT3550 (top) is HDR out of the box and also has the DCI-P3 filter enabled. Default settings on he HT3550 have HDR PRO, Dynamic Iris, and Dynamic Black (software dimming) enabled.

Keep in mind the HT2550 had superb color accuracy and Delta-E for this price range.
HI Scottyroo,

Many thanks for posting the images. Benq W2700 images definitely look more vivid to me. Would it be possible to get the same scene images from a calibrated TK800 for comparison among all three projectors.
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In addition to a better optical engine engineered to better handle the POM, I believe the new chip they are using has a pond of micro-mirrors width of 20 instead of 80-84. I could be wrong, so someone please correct me if that is not the new POM width. I am pulling that info from the DLP470TP DMD tech document and I think that is the DLP470TE's little brother, not a new generation of XPR chip. I'm also not sure of the method or if they masked at all, either. All I know is that "light border" probably won't be a thing on this projector anymore. Hopefully

I also think that eliminating the dead weight of the mirrors and the light scattering from said POM will be one of a few contributors to better black level performance.

Sorry for the ambiguous post - just my hunches.
Not sure if you're saying they will be using the DLP470TP or similar smaller DMD. I'm not sure a smaller DMD will work because the DLP470TP with its 20-by-20-row POM is only engineered to handle the heat generated by up to 1,500-lumens:

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The DLP470TE with an 80-by-84-row POM is larger and able to handle more lumens/heat than the DLP470TP:

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In other words the larger DMD that can withstand the heat generated by 1,500-4,000 lumens has the larger POM and the smaller DMD with the smaller POM can't handle the heat of more than 1,500 lumens.
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Not sure if you're saying they will be using the DLP470TP or similar smaller DMD. I'm not sure a smaller DMD will work because the DLP470TP with its 20-by-20-row POM is only engineered to handle the heat generated by up to 1,500-lumens:







The DLP470TE with an 80-by-84-row POM is larger and able to handle more lumens/heat than the DLP470TP:







In other words the larger DMD that can withstand the heat generated by 1,500-4,000 lumens has the larger POM and the smaller DMD with the smaller POM can't handle the heat of more than 1,500 lumens.


Yes I saw that as well. The only chip on TI’s site that fits the bill is the DLP470TE. But that is the chip in the TK800, HT2550, UHD50/51 etc etc. The DMD on the HT3550 is updated so maybe TI hasn’t publicly released yet?

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Yes I saw that as well. The only chip on TI’s site that fits the bill is the DLP470TE. But that is the chip in the TK800, HT2550, UHD50/51 etc etc. The DMD on the HT3550 is updated so maybe TI hasn’t publicly released yet?
We really need someone on here with a contact at TI.
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Not sure if you're saying they will be using the DLP470TP or similar smaller DMD. I'm not sure a smaller DMD will work because the DLP470TP with its 20-by-20-row POM is only engineered to handle the heat generated by up to 1,500-lumens:



The DLP470TE with an 80-by-84-row POM is larger and able to handle more lumens/heat than the DLP470TP:



In other words the larger DMD that can withstand the heat generated by 1,500-4,000 lumens has the larger POM and the smaller DMD with the smaller POM can't handle the heat of more than 1,500 lumens.
Good post, Dave.
Would be good to know which TI chip is used in the 2700, and the 5700 as well.
TI has two .47 xpt chips listed on the website, DLP470TE and DLP470TP. Can't seem to find the newer version which has been talked about in this thread. It's be dreadful if the low power pico version is used in these products.
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The biggest question mark on my mind is still input lag. If they're at least manageable this thing could be the top dog in the <$3000 category.
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BenQ 2700 Announced

It’s hard to judge image quality in pictures on my RGB display... but with that said, two things stood out to me in those images. One, the HT3550 has a much warmer presentation. The HT2550 and TK800 have distinctly cooler presentations and there isn’t a great way to solve this without introducing other issues. BenQ is touting the HT3550’s DCIP3 filter and I’m excited for that. Second, the HT3550 is clipping less highlight detail. Check out the Star in the background of the space scene and the infinity stone in Vision’s forehead. There is a discussion happening right now in the HT2550’s about clipping. I doubt the HT3550 is any brighter than the HT2550 so this seems to indicate revised HDR mapping.

While I know everyone wants to know everything RIGHT NOW the truth is review samples should be heading out in the coming weeks. We should know more then. Everyone hang in there.
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