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sorry if this has been answered already but I am considering replacing my 1070 with this projector. Is the throw ratio identical ? can I just swap the 1070 for the 3550, and not move my ceiling mount? Thanks
W1070:

Std. Zoom Lens:1.30:1
Throw Distance: 4.3' - 19.6'
Image Size: 39.7" - 234.7"
Throw Ratio: 1.15:1 - 1.50:1 (D:W)

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Std. Zoom Lens:1.30:1
Throw Distance: 3.2' - 16.4'
Image Size: 30.0" - 200.1"
Throw Ratio: 1.13:1 - 1.47:1 (D:W)

Projector Placement: For a 100" diagonal screen, place the projector between 8'-2" and 10'-8" from the screen.

Not 100% identical but pretty much within the same parameters.
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Sage,

Can you do a regular video of putting your TK800 into 3D mode then playing a 3D movie for like 30 seconds, then doing the same on this one?

I want to see if the "green tint" is handled and with it the clarity/contrast.

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W1070:

Std. Zoom Lens:1.30:1
Throw Distance: 4.3' - 19.6'
Image Size: 39.7" - 234.7"
Throw Ratio: 1.15:1 - 1.50:1 (D:W)

Projector Placement: For a 100" diagonal screen, place the projector between 8'-4" and 10'-11" from the screen.

HT3550:

Std. Zoom Lens:1.30:1
Throw Distance: 3.2' - 16.4'
Image Size: 30.0" - 200.1"
Throw Ratio: 1.13:1 - 1.47:1 (D:W)

Projector Placement: For a 100" diagonal screen, place the projector between 8'-2" and 10'-8" from the screen.

Not 100% identical but pretty much within the same parameters.
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I agree with all of what you said. I’ll just add that Dolby Vision, HDR10+(supported by the W5700) and HLG(Supported by both the W2700/W5700) have metadata that includes metadata for peak BW values. This can be used by the display device to adjust gamma curves according to the displays limitations. It would be nice if Dolby would start licensing non-capable projectors to use its metadata, but they don’t. I don’t get why BenQ omitted this from the W2700/HT3550 (maybe to add value to the W5700). I wish at least HDR10+ was more commonly supported by 4k projectors. Kudos to BenQ for supporting it with at least one projector.

W5700 doesn't support HDR10+ only HDR10 and HLG..


Please be aware that performances on HT3550 shall be different between sage pre-serie model and final version wich production is starting only next week (source BenQ ISE Amsterdam) :


http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...ection-phc-fr/
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W5700 doesn't support HDR10+ only HDR10 and HLG..


Please be aware that performances on HT3550 shall be different between sage pre-serie model and final version wich production is starting only next week (source BenQ ISE Amsterdam) :


http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...ection-phc-fr/


I’ve read that it does. Maybe it’s false, I don’t know. BenQ seems to have taken down their W5700 page again.

https://www.heimkino.de/news/benq-w5...0-beamer-kommt
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I Know but it’s a false information.


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W5700 doesn't support HDR10+ only HDR10 and HLG..


Please be aware that performances on HT3550 shall be different between sage pre-serie model and final version wich production is starting only next week (source BenQ ISE Amsterdam) :




http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...ection-phc-fr/


I’ve read that it does. Maybe it’s false, I don’t know. BenQ seems to have taken down their W5700 page again.

https://www.heimkino.de/news/benq-w5...0-beamer-kommt
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I Know but it’s a false information.


Thank you for clarifying.
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W5700 doesn't support HDR10+ only HDR10 and HLG..


Please be aware that performances on HT3550 shall be different between sage pre-serie model and final version wich production is starting only next week (source BenQ ISE Amsterdam) :


http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...ection-phc-fr/
Why would BenQ send a model to Sage to review, knowing it's going to be different from the production models? Do you have inside knowledge that the model Sage has is, in fact, different from what will be put into Production? Hard for me to believe a company such as BenQ would send out a model they know will be different from Production. Your use of the words "Shall be different" means that it's a Must, with absolute certainty it will be different.
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The Bodnar only outputs 1080p.

Leo bodnar actually just released a lag tester capable of 4K. I was eagerly anticipating this product and planning to purchase one... Until I saw the price. It’s $435 plus shipping to the US.

From what I’ve seen, with most devices, scaling an HD image to 4K doesn’t have much effect on the overall input lag number. After all, Microsoft does this with the Xbox One S which renders at HD or, more often than not, sub-HD and then scales to output a 4K image. Scaling has gotten so competent it’s no longer the bottle neck it once was.

While I would love to verify this with the HT3550... I’m not willing to drop $500 on the tool to do so. So unless someone wants to take up a donation I’m going to stick with my trusty old 1080p Bodnar.
I agree, I don't think it's the upscaling that's the issue, it's the total of all the processing/enhancements that are applied to the image, particularly (and unfortunately) FI.

The other key point which you won't be able to measure unfortunately is the input signal. For example, some displays have significantly higher input lag in 4k v 1080p and particularly in 4k with HDR.
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One last question I forgot about. The 3D. Is it handled by IR, RF or DLP-Link. I'm not seeing anything in the documentation nor do I remember if that was already brought up in this thread. When I do upgrade, I'll need to know if I have to get a new round of 3d glasses as well. I'm leaning towards it's not DLP-Link as I don't see it listed on the Benq site's specification. Just lists it as 3D. In the Accessories (Optional): 3D Glasses YES. However, no model or indication of what type.
I would definitely expect it to be DLP-Link unless otherwise stated. The other methods are much rarer and you're probably aware sometimes used 'plug in' emitters for the projector.
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Please if you can check it could run 1920*1080 at 120hz, it will be huge for PC gamers.
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Edit: Manual state that 1080p/120hz is supported! it will be interested to measure input lag on 120hz!
FYI a lot (if not all) of the first gen .47 4K DLPs support 1080p/120hz input too. Might be useful to know if this device doesn't tick all your boxes.
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Why would BenQ send a model to Sage to review, knowing it's going to be different from the production models? Do you have inside knowledge that the model Sage has is, in fact, different from what will be put into Production? Hard for me to believe a company such as BenQ would send out a model they know will be different from Production. Your use of the words "Shall be different" means that it's a Must, with absolute certainty it will be different.
Why wouldn’t BenQ send him a unit? We’re all salivating waiting for feedback so we can decide if we’re going to spend some of our kids inheritance. Its free advertising for BenQ and will sell units at launch.

However, yeah, it’s an engineering unit. Once it goes into mass production there may be small differences. Projector might be a little louder... or quieter. Who knows. Either way, if you’re worried about BenQ pulling a fast one, then base your buying decision on reviews of retail units.

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W5700 doesn't support HDR10+ only HDR10 and HLG..


Please be aware that performances on HT3550 shall be different between sage pre-serie model and final version wich production is starting only next week (source BenQ ISE Amsterdam) :


http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...ection-phc-fr/

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Why wouldn’t BenQ send him a unit? We’re all salivating waiting for feedback so we can decide if we’re going to spend some of our kids inheritance. Its free advertising for BenQ and will sell units at launch.

However, yeah, it’s an engineering unit. Once it goes into mass production there may be small differences. Projector might be a little louder... or quieter. Who knows. Either way, if you’re worried about BenQ pulling a fast one, then base your buying decision on reviews of retail units.
You completely misunderstood my comment. Please read the other poster's comment and mine again in context please. Thanks.
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In the meantime, if anyone has any specific requests please post them here.
Sage, could you test to determine what exactly the Aspect Ratio setting 16:9 does with 2.40:1 material. The manual for the HT3550 lists three aspect ratio settings; Auto, 4:3, and 16:9. My hope is that it simply stretches the image vertically to remove only the black bars, similar to the images below. I really hope there is no horizontal expansion of the image at all.

Also, could you confirm the 4:3 aspect ratio selection compresses an original 16:9 image creating black bars on the sides?

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Sage, could you test to determine what exactly the Aspect Ratio setting 16:9 does with 2.40:1 material. The manual for the HT3550 lists three aspect ratio settings; Auto, 4:3, and 16:9. My hope is that it simply stretches the image vertically to remove only the black bars, similar to the images below. I really hope there is no horizontal expansion of the image at all.

Also, could you confirm the 4:3 aspect ratio selection compresses an original 16:9 image creating black bars on the sides?



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It may be a simplistic viewpoint but since I was all set to buy the W1700 the W2700 is already a hands down winner by losing the Light border and the actuator noise plus gaining the expanded colour space and dynamic iris especially if the price is around the launch price of the original W1700 (£1500).

I can't help feeling that some people have rather unrealistic expectations for what is after all bargain bucket 4K - view it as W1700 version 2, a product that was very well received despite the light border and actuator noise and appreciate that for some of us £1500/$1500 is a substantial outlay,

As long as there are no unexpected flaws this will be my next purchase for sure!
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BenQ W2700 / HT3550 Announcement and Owner’s Thread

I want to weigh in on this discussion of samples vs retail units.

Obviously, the HT3550 is not available for sale yet. As such, the model I have is a very early sample sent out to reviewers, influencers and vendors to give them a sneak peak before the unit goes on sale to the general public. As such it’s fair to expect some things may change before retail release. Think of them as the ‘public beta’ version of the product that is going to be released.

This is the 6th projector I’ve reviewed from BenQ. Many of those were ‘pre-series’ or ‘engineering samples’ or whatever you care to call them. What I want to point out is that in all those cases the retail unit ended up being better or more complete than the sample. It’s not unusual for a sample to have bugs, missing features or a manufacturing process that is simply not perfected yet. In some cases, feedback from those review samples ends up making it’s way back to the manufacturer so they can improve the product. Go back and read my two reviews of the Ht2550 and you’ll see that illustrated— BenQ used feedback from the review samples to put changes into the pipeline for the retail models. The HT2550 I first reviewed and what is available for sale now are very different products. Projectorcentral made the same observation. Hell, this HT3550 was shipped to me with a European style power lead. I live in the US. Clearly that is a simple packaging error that won’t be replicated on a retail unit.

The point I’m trying to make that, if anything, the model that is released to the public should be better than what I have here. Hope that helps to clear some of this up.

Keep those suggestions coming. I promise I’ll do my best to address them all.

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A European power plug seems like quite the packaging mix up haha. Glad you had the necessary equipment to get it powered. I always assumed for the most part review models would be better so that the verdict and reviews would be as good as they can be. Graphics cards in particular are that way using better quality parts for the first production run then lower quality for the rest. Mainly only effects those of us who overclock them.
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Hell, this HT3550 was shipped to me with a European style power lead. I live in the US. Clearly that is a simple packaging error that won’t be replicated on a retail unit.

Mine unit came with a European power lead too
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A European power plug seems like quite the packaging mix up haha. Glad you had the necessary equipment to get it powered. I always assumed for the most part review models would be better so that the verdict and reviews would be as good as they can be. Graphics cards in particular are that way using better quality parts for the first production run then lower quality for the rest. Mainly only effects those of us who overclock them.

It’s not a big deal. Almost every projector sold uses the same three prong computer power supply cable. I probably have a half a dozen extra leads laying around here.

And, yes, I’ve heard many stories about ringers. It’s simply not the experience that I’ve had. Think about a company trying to pull together the manufacturing of any new product— finalizing the process, the quality control, sourcing all the components. It’s a logistical nightmare. I wouldn’t put it past any company to want to put their product in the best light. By when you’re this early in the process I’d be willing to bet that the only cherry picking happening is to make sure you’re sending out a fully functioning product and not a dud.

In any case, BenQ is probably the most transparent company I’ve worked with. There are going to be plenty of HT3550s going out to various review and enthusiast outlets. That means there will be plenty of opportunities to cross reference and compare what I discover and share about this specific unit’s performance as well as contrast what ever opinions I form about this particular product.
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Is the lens cap magnetic or do you press it in place? I never understood if we’re supposed to use lens caps as it always messes up my projector alignment went putting on taking off.
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Is the lens cap magnetic or do you press it in place? I never understood if we’re supposed to use lens caps as it always messes up my projector alignment went putting on taking off.


It snaps into place with very little force.

I always replace the cap after I’m done using the projector. Of course, my projector is mounted pretty low to target my screen which is also mounted low. So it’s easy for me.

But I have to say there are a lot of folks around here that need to tighten their mounts...

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Just wondering is it bright enough for it to go on a grey/silver screen on a dark room & with 3d on?

I love this replacement i got from optoma uhd51a no buzz but my lord the annoying 5" border on a 100" screen is really annoying .
Thank god benq fixed this my next pj, Just need the buy button!.
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Comparing power on times to the TK800 right now.

It’s faster on this sample unit. Getting test times anywhere from 17-25% faster. Averages from 5 tests with both cold to start and by the 5th test they were both warm.

TK800 to ‘BenQ’ splash - 40 sec
HT3550 to ‘BenQ’ splash - 22 sec

TK800 to source input - 57 sec
HT3550 to source input - 45 sec

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Did a quick first impressions video.

The fan noise on the HT3550 is just that. Fan noise. The iPhone camera picks up a slight buzz but ears don’t hear that sitting right by it.

https://youtu.be/AMwNij5fWps

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Did a quick first impressions video.

The fan noise on the HT3550 is just that. Fan noise. The iPhone camera picks up a slight buzz but ears don’t hear that sitting right by it.

https://youtu.be/AMwNij5fWps

Nice theater room. Thanks for the video!
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Where is the first place I should be looking for the buy button? Can somebody shoot me a link? I live in the states.
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