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The 4000 and 4010 are often lumped together but, from what I’ve read, the 4010 is a significant upgrade even if they didn’t maybe go far enough (it’s 2019, you shouldn’t have to manually switch between SDR and HDR).

There are a LOT of reviews of the 4000 out there so you should be able to get a good idea of what it’s all about. It’s a really good price that’s for sure.
Epson 4000 and 4010 have only 10,2 gbps HDMI board, right?
So gaming in 4K/60 HDR and some HDR streaming services is not possible.
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Any idea of how HT 3550 compares to Epson HC4000 or HC4010? I am currently considering buying a projector for my loft. There is some light during the day but my watching would be mostly late evenings and nights when the light would be 100% controlled. I plan to watch movies mostly. I understand with Epson you get more features like lens shift and lens memory, but based on picture quality which one would be a better choice?
The Epson 4000 is an interesting case study. Especially since its new p r i c e putting it head to head with the HT3550. I'm on record having replaced it with the HT2550 and being happy with what I feel was, at the time, more or less a lateral move. I was reviewing the HT2550 and was planning on putting the Epson 4000 back up as my primary driver, but some strengths the HT2550 has over it led me to send the Epson back.

The 4000 is just stupid easy placement flexibility. Epson is known for that but add in motorized zoom, focus, and shift... and it's crazy how easy it is. However, that benefit was easy to look past since that ease of setup only affects the initial setup and my space did not require and need for extra vertical/horizontal shift. The offset and throw of the HT2550 were already perfect for my theater. So for me that was a wash and no reason for me to choose one or the other, although a lot of people might need the extra placement flexibility.

The 4000 has pretty average blacks. That's the main difference between it and its older brother the 5040UB. The downgraded panels in the 4000 gave it a lower price tag and lower black levels. That was the only material difference. I'm on record acknowledging the 4000 had better blacks than the HT2550.

^^ Those are the two main advantages that I saw between the two. Color brightness was also better on the 4000 but not by much to my untrained eye.

There are a few reasons reason I stuck with the HT2550 even with its less-than-fresh contrast.

1 - with my 160" screen I noticed the difference in resolution. The 4000 is a 1080x2 shifter for 4M pixels. The HT2550 has 8M distinct on screen pixels. My untrained eye noticed that.
2 - Color and delta-E looked better to me on the HT2550
3 - The HDR implementation on the HT2550 was handled better
4 - I couldn't stomach investing in a projector that had a 10.2gbps HDMI chipset. HDMI 1.4 was released in 2009 and it is STILL being used even by the 4000's successor, the 4010??? No 4KHDR60...
5 - This is something I could have lived with but look at the size of the 4000 compared to the HT2550. The projector is one of the first things that people see when they come into my theater. The size of the 4000 was legitimately obstructing the view and made the HT2550 look like a pico projector.

^ That comparison was with the HT2550. So I would not declare the HT2550 the winner in that fight. It was the winner for me, but the Epson4000 is still a very good projector. You just need to know the tradeoff and make the decision that makes sense for you.

When comparing the HT3550 to the Epson 4000 on the other hand, I think after trading blows the HT3550 is the objective winner with a few bit of context below.

1 - Placement flexibility is still better on the 4000. Not impactful for me but the fight could stop there for those who need that flexibility. However, the shorter throw of the HT3550, in my opinion will probably give greater flexibility to a broader target audience so that's a wash still.
2 - Native contrast might be better but I can say that in normal 'best settings for all viewing cricumstances', the HT3550 bests the 4000 in contrast and black levels.
3 - The HDR implementation lead of the HT3550 is even wider than before with the HT2550
4 - 18gbps
5 - Color accuracy
6 - Styling and size (subjective)
7 - input lag nod goes to 4000 (35ms vs 55ms)
8 - Color brightness when calibrated slightly better on 4000.
9 - 4M pixels vs 8M pixels. I notice the resolution.

So that's my take on it. I pick the HT3550 head to head with the Epson 4000 10 times out of 10 for most setups.

The HT3550 vs Epson 4010 is honestly a more interesting battle since the 4010 ups its game with color accuracy and blacks. However, hardware-wise it still touts the 10.2gbps chipset (heaven knows why) and is still 4M pixels. I think the HT3550 vs 4010 battle is very similar to the HT2550 vs 4000 battle... but the 4010 MSRP is five hundred more than the HT3550. I haven't had hands on time with the 4010 so I can't tell you which is better. However, after the projector trades objective blows, the buyer has to decide if that price difference is worth it.
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Scott would be the better one to answer this as he had a 4000.

The HT3550 will auto detect HDR (instead of forcing you into the menu) and it’s MEMC works in 4K. Meanwhile the Epson has a motorized lens with memory that makes it possible to run a 2.35 screen without a costly A lens.
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Could you explain how a motorized lens with memory replaces an A lens? I have old school experience with a CRT projector that would take a letterbox DVD and take the expanded output from the DVD player and squeeze it down to 2.35:1. This improved the resolution immensely and I believe is basically how the A lens works. I'm trying to understand how a motorized lens with memory does the same thing. If it does then the additional investment in a projector with this ability would be well worth the extra cost.

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Good answer! - considering that there are quite a few people commenting on this thread about if it's worth $1500 to move to 4K it makes it even harder to spend even more unless you absolutely need the maximum flexibility regards placement.

I think Benq has nailed it with this feature set at this price point.
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Epson 4000 and 4010 have only 10,2 gbps HDMI board, right?

So gaming in 4K/60 HDR and some HDR streaming services is not possible.


The bandwidth limitation keeps 4K/HDR/60 off the table. That’s not the end of the world right NOW but it does limit you going forward as new consoles are expected soon.

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Could you explain how a motorized lens with memory replaces an A lens? I have old school experience with a CRT projector that would take a letterbox DVD and take the expanded output from the DVD player and squeeze it down to 2.35:1. This improved the resolution immensely and I believe is basically how the A lens works. I'm trying to understand how a motorized lens with memory does the same thing. If it does then the additional investment in a projector with this ability would be well worth the extra cost.

I should have clarified— it doesn’t do the same thing but thanks to it’s generous zoom range you can effectively run a 2.35 screen for both 2.35 and 16:9 content.

You would need to position the projector at the far telephoto end of it’s zoom so that the native 16:9 falls dead center on your 2.35 screen. Save that. Then you would reduce the zoom until the left/right edges of the screen and the projector align. The ‘black bars’ of 2.35 content will now be projected above an below the top and bottom edges of your screen so masking will be important here.

This isn’t the same as an A lens as you are essentially throwing away a large portion of he projectors light output and maximum resolution. But I it’s a neat capability that few other projectors can match.

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I recommended this cable all the time. Cheap and is one of the most well constructed cables around. I use the 40’ length and get full 18gbps. The 40 footer is only $37

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I ordered a 3ft, 6ft and 20ft in anticipation of upgrading my HT2050 to the HT3550. They shipped same day and arrived today. The 20ft cable was defective and I couldn't get video out of it. I tried multiple times and made the mistake of running it in the wall's conduit before testing. I hooked up my previous cable and everything was working. I then tried the cable not in the wall and going straight to the projector from the receiver and then from the 4K UHD player but no go. I called the company and was setting up an RMA. They are local so I was able to take the 15 minute drive and do the exchange in person. I hooked up the new cable and everything is fine with this one. I'm not sure what the deal with the other one was. I just want to remind those of you to test cables before running them behind walls/etc... I do like the cables and have more give to them than my previous stiff cables. I don't want to run the risk of having 4k 60fps issues after hooking up the HT3550 and having any delays/issues.

I'm looking forward to this projector and glad I've held out from the HT2550 which I've had my eye on since it was released. Now I continue to view this thread too many times each day for any new information. It's going to be a long couple of weeks....
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I ordered a 3ft, 6ft and 20ft in anticipation of upgrading my HT2050 to the HT3550. They shipped same day and arrived today. The 20ft cable was defective and I couldn't get video out of it. I tried multiple times and made the mistake of running it in the wall's conduit before testing. I hooked up my previous cable and everything was working. I then tried the cable not in the wall and going straight to the projector from the receiver and then from the 4K UHD player but no go. I called the company and was setting up an RMA. They are local so I was able to take the 15 minute drive and do the exchange in person. I hooked up the new cable and everything is fine with this one. I'm not sure what the deal with the other one was. I just want to remind those of you to test cables before running them behind walls/etc... I do like the cables and have more give to them than my previous stiff cables. I don't want to run the risk of having 4k 60fps issues after hooking up the HT3550 and having any delays/issues.

I'm looking forward to this projector and glad I've held out from the HT2550 which I've had my eye on since it was released. Now I continue to view this thread too many times each day for any new information. It's going to be a long couple of weeks....
If HDMI cable you need to run is 20ft or longer, I would strongly suggest to invest into a fiber HDMI cable and avoid any regular copper based ones (even Premium Certified ones). 20+ ft copper HDMI can be challenging for some full bandwidth 18GBps signals. Especially since you are planning to do in-wall cable run, and can't easily replace the cable later if you find that it can't keep stable HDMI handshake with full 18Gbps signals (like HDR/60fps), which can cause all sorts of random dropouts, signal distortions, no signal etc.

I know fiber HDMI cables are not cheap, but if I was running a long HDMI cable in-wall today to use for the next few years with lots of UHD/HDR content, fiber HDMI would be my only choice.
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I see comparisons between the Epsons here.
@scottyroo can you give your opinion of 3D?/ I've heard bad things about 3D on the 5040, 4010, and 4000. Are these gripes legit? How does the 3550 compare?

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If HDMI cable you need to run is 20ft or longer, I would strongly suggest to invest into a fiber HDMI cable and avoid any regular copper based ones (even Premium Certified ones). 20+ ft copper HDMI can be challenging for some full bandwidth 18GBps signals. Especially since you are planning to do in-wall cable run, and can't easily replace the cable later if you find that it can't keep stable HDMI handshake with full 18Gbps signals (like HDR/60fps), which can cause all sorts of random dropouts, signal distortions, no signal etc.



I know fiber HDMI cables are not cheap, but if I was running a long HDMI cable in-wall today to use for the next few years with lots of UHD/HDR content, fiber HDMI would be my only choice.


You could also use an HDbaseT Ethernet to HDMI adapter. It’s not much more than a fiber cable and is a little more future proof.
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I see comparisons between the Epsons here.
@scottyroo can you give your opinion of 3D?/ I've heard bad things about 3D on the 5040, 4010, and 4000. Are these gripes legit? How does the 3550 compare?
3D on DLP's is superior to 3D on LCD.
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3D on DLP's is superior to 3D on LCD.
But why is that?
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But why is that?
This isn't a hard and fast rule.

DLP gets a lot of love from 3D fans for it's almost complete lack of cross talk-- that annoying ghosting / double image you get with some other displays.

3LCD fans will quickly point out that many of Epson's displays have the ability to get VERY bright in 3D. Brightness is valued because the damn goggles dim the image so much.
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@scottyroo can you give your opinion of 3D?/ I've heard bad things about 3D on the 5040, 4010, and 4000. Are these gripes legit? How does the 3550 compare?
The Epson 5040 had really bad cross talk issues that would effect some models and not others. I had not heard this was an issue with the 4010.

The HT3550 has great 3D with virtually zero cross talk but be advised this is an RGBRGB DLP-- meaning it's not terribly bright in 3D mode. Best for dark room use.

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The Epson 5040 had really bad cross talk issues that would effect some models and not others. I had not heard this was an issue with the 4010.



The HT3550 has great 3D with virtually zero cross talk but be advised this is an RGBRGB DLP-- meaning it's not terribly bright in 3D mode. Best for dark room use.
Ya that was my concern. I'm still on the fence between this one and the TK800 successor, but since 3D is so important I should probably just hold out, I'm just itching for a new PJ since the TK800 had that horrible green tint and weird 3D clarity issues.
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I took the mounting hole drawing from the User Manual PDF, scaled it to full size (within 0.1 mm) in CorelDRAW, and exported an A2-sized PDF. It's attached. Maybe it'll help somebody else who—like me—makes a custom wall-mount for their BenQ projectors.

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I have now read my first professional review of the w2700. It was in the German AV magazine Video. They gave it a Very Good rating for price / performance but only Good for performance.

Their main gripes was the contrast and black level. They also mentioned the low lumen output while using the DCI-P3 mode.

The stated MSRP was 1900 EUR so essentially 1 USD = 1 EUR plus value added tax.

They wrote that in many aspects the W2700 is improved over the W1700 and that it represents the best HDR capable projector under 2000 EUR. The 1,3X zoom
in combination with +/- 10 lense vertical adjustment is a Welcome addition to the price point.

They experienced problems using 50 fps material while 60 fps worked well. 2:3 pulldown of 24 fps material left out something to be desired.

If the sale price enda up being closer to 2000 EUR rather than 1500 EUR I think I will wait one more generation.
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The W2700 can be purchased in the UK for £1400 - I paid a fair bit less than that for mine..... as I stated before the UK tends to pay on a £=$ equivalent so a general $1500 street price when stock becomes available is most likely
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I have now read my first professional review of the w2700. It was in the German AV magazine Video. They gave it a Very Good rating for price / performance but only Good for performance.

Their main gripes was the contrast and black level. They also mentioned the low lumen output while using the DCI-P3 mode.

The stated MSRP was 1900 EUR so essentially 1 USD = 1 EUR plus value added tax.

They wrote that in many aspects the W2700 is improved over the W1700 and that it represents the best HDR capable projector under 2000 EUR. The 1,3X zoom
in combination with +/- 10 lense vertical adjustment is a Welcome addition to the price point.

They experienced problems using 50 fps material while 60 fps worked well. 2:3 pulldown of 24 fps material left out something to be desired.

If the sale price enda up being closer to 2000 EUR rather than 1500 EUR I think I will wait one more generation.
Any chance you could link to that review? Or in a private message if this is against some rule...
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Sorry no. I read it in an actual magazine. 🙂
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Euro price

BTW, several German retailers have it listed at 1599 in euros...
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/...=set#offerlist
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Sorry no. I read it in an actual magazine. 🙂

Ah, no, I'm sorry, I should have understood that!



Did they list any actual contrast measurements, by any chance?


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I can check later. There were measurements but if they gave a number for the different modes I am not sure.
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I have now read my first professional review of the w2700. It was in the German AV magazine Video. They gave it a Very Good rating for price / performance but only Good for performance.

Their main gripes was the contrast and black level. They also mentioned the low lumen output while using the DCI-P3 mode.

The stated MSRP was 1900 EUR so essentially 1 USD = 1 EUR plus value added tax.

They wrote that in many aspects the W2700 is improved over the W1700 and that it represents the best HDR capable projector under 2000 EUR. The 1,3X zoom
in combination with +/- 10 lense vertical adjustment is a Welcome addition to the price point.

They experienced problems using 50 fps material while 60 fps worked well. 2:3 pulldown of 24 fps material left out something to be desired.

If the sale price enda up being closer to 2000 EUR rather than 1500 EUR I think I will wait one more generation.


All my pattern tests for 3:2 showed a pass. Subjectively, my experience with 24Hz content was very good. None of the 4K DLPs can display 24Hz natively so they’re never going to be as buttery smooth as, say, an HT2050A.

About the contrast— I need to see the review. One of the things that annoys me about these things is there is seldom a mention of context. It’s like a car magazine that calls every car below 40k slow (it rhymes with N&P). Well, sure, but if your context is comparing it to vehicles 2/3 times the price is that even a valid assessment? DLP is never going to compete with LCOS for contrast. Compared to other 4K DLPs the HT3550 is significantly higher in performance. Compared to more expensive competition like the Epson 4010? Well, I’ve already made my comments on that. I just don’t know what else at this price is going to outperform it.

Sounds like it was an overall favorable review. I can’t wait to read it nerfed by google translate if it ever becomes available online.
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One of the things that annoys me about these things is there is seldom a mention of context.

Yes, what's the reference level base to judge qualities of the projector. I'm also somewhat uncertain whether there is a problem with 50 "frames per second" or PAL 50 Hz (i.e. 25 full frames per second).


Video is okay but IMHO the leading German AV Magazine - and especially when it comes to front projectors - is Audiovision.

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All my pattern tests for 3:2 showed a pass. Subjectively, my experience with 24Hz content was very good. None of the 4K DLPs can display 24Hz natively so they’re never going to be as buttery smooth as, say, an HT2050A.

About the contrast— I need to see the review. One of the things that annoys me about these things is there is seldom a mention of context. It’s like a car magazine that calls every car below 40k slow (it rhymes with N&P). Well, sure, but if your context is comparing it to vehicles 2/3 times the price is that even a valid assessment? DLP is never going to compete with LCOS for contrast. Compared to other 4K DLPs the HT3550 is significantly higher in performance. Compared to more expensive competition like the Epson 4010? Well, I’ve already made my comments on that. I just don’t know what else at this price is going to outperform it.

Sounds like it was an overall favorable review. I can’t wait to read it nerfed by google translate if it ever becomes available online.
Is 24Hz common for some 4K BD movies? Or is this more for gaming?
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Is 24Hz common for some 4K BD movies? Or is this more for gaming?
With only a couple of exceptions all movies are filmed at 24Hz. So, yes, I would say it's common.

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With only a couple of exceptions all movies are filmed at 24Hz. So, yes, I would say it's common.
Shouldn't the ht3550 basically be able to do "native" 24hz in 1080p since it can do 120hz at that resolution? It would then display each frame 5x each.

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