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If this is the case, it might explain why some experience less RBE with the BenQ LK970 than the Optoma UHZ65. If BenQ has the wrong specs and wrong diagrams on their website, perhaps the former uses RYGBYG wheel as well, while the latter uses a RGBY wheel?



If this is the case that they are doing is pretty simply I don't think anything too complex, basically:



subpixel1 wheel rotation 1: half of R, W, G, half of blue

subpixel2 wheel rotation 1: other half of blue, W, G, other half of red

subpixel3 wheel rotation 2: half of R, W, G, half of blue

subpixel4 wheel rotation 2: other half of blue, W, G, other half of red



they could also do this for a 0.66" xpr dmd in the below manner to get 5x wheel speed:

subpixel1 wheel rotation 1: half of R, Y, G, half of blue

subpixel2 wheel rotation 1: half of blue, Y, G, half of R



My main question is, for us technically minded folks why don't they put the correct specs and diagrams on their websites? I've actually corrected BenQ a couple of times for wrong info on their website in the past year, this would be a really large marketing error to not capitalize on the fact they are using a faster sequential color speed than some competitiors.





Its also too bad its basically impossible for highly interested folks like myself to evaluate their new reference projectors (HT9060/LK990) as none of the dealers near me carry them to demo. A lot of this stuff could be put to bed really easily with a comprehensive test, including things like very fast shutter speed photography to capture sequential color speed. Its a pretty large marketing blunder to think that people will spend $6000-$9000 on their top projectors, sight unseen, just based on their webpages and mainstream review sites which regularly fail to convey the whole story and cover all the nuances. I would love to do a comparison myself but 15 grand on projectors just to compare isn't pocket change.


It’s very possible. Although I can’t say for sure as I’ve never inquired about business projectors or projectors in that price class.

Besides contrast specs, which we all agree are total fabrication, I don’t think any of the manufacturers are attempting to deceive. Well... maybe JVC in the first few years of E-Shift. But this color wheel question is a complex subject that would be nearly impossible to adequately explain in a spec sheet. Benq, to their credit, does list this information for the HT3550 on their website:


As far as not being able to see/experience high end gear— that’s been an industry wide problem with a lot of brands not just projector manufacturers. While it’s not even in the same discussion as the models you mentioned, benQ is planning a big push for the HT5550. They’ll actually be demonstrating one at an event later this month in New York. I was a bit surprised as this is a dealer only model— much to many member’s chagrin. I know the HT9060 is coming as well but all I know about that model is Chris Eberle of Secrets has one and his initial impressions were very positive (review still isn’t published).
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How does a RWGBWG like the BenQ TK800M fit into the rainbow equation then? It has 2 greens one red and one blue but also has 6 segments so anyway you look at it the colors are being pulsed at a rate of 6 times per revolution. Of course the color production will be less do to the clear white segments but in terms of rainbows is it a six segment or a 3 segment or a 4 segment?



Maybe we need a whole new standard called the RBE Factor. Someone make a device like they did for input lag that measures the ability to predict the likelihood of rainbows and assign a number between 0 – 100. A 3LCD will score a zero. I would bet Epson will put up the money to develop it like they did CLO.


Read my response to Dave above. I actually tackle that.

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Amazon says shipping in a month or two is that just placeholder or are they really backordered? If I get this it will be the first time I game on a 4K projector. Just in time to enjoy some Mortal Kombat 11 on my PS4 Pro!

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It does get a little confusing with all the different color wheel permutations added to pixel shifting models. Since some of the non-RGBRGB models could have much less susceptibility to RBE than others the best system would be to have each projector rated individually. This is where reviewers can be helpful in always including a comment in each review on what degree of RBE is or isn't visible.

As far as what each individual color wheel actually looks like in terms of color segments it's easy enough to visit colorlightoutput.com , enter the brand and model of DLP projector and then click on the Projector Color Wheel link to call up an image of that model's specific color wheel configuration.
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Read my response to Dave above. I actually tackle that.

Any update on the input lag?
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Looking for a new mount for when I get my HT3550. Any forum members use the Peerless PRGS mount with a BenQ w1070 or HT2050?

https://www.peerless-av.com/en-us/pr...ducts/prgs-unv
I have this mount and am not a huge fan, but I fear it's because I am not using it properly maybe. I made a DIY mount for my last PJ. I wanted to buy a good one for the HT2050a, so I went for this one. From what I read, you should have the projector mount centered where the balance point of the PJ is located. Which is NOT center to the Projector. I balanced it with a pencil to try to find the center. I could not get the arms of the PJ mount to fit this holes very well without being obstructed by the mount itself. I finally got it, but the arms look odd and I don't think they are configured the way Peerless intends. I figured it was ok as the PJ didn't weight much and it's fine. What I cannot do is get the hex wrench between the arms and the mount to loosen them to allow you to slide the PJ left and right to center with the screen. Fortunately, I did a good job of putting it all together, and marking my holes in my ceiling so center of screen is center with lens. With that said, if I ever need to take the arms of the mount off my PJ, I fear I'll never be able to get it back how it is now. Again, maybe I'm just doing something wrong or missing something easy, but I fought with it for a very long time.

What I do like is it's easy to adjust to get it level front to back and side to side. I wish I had purchased a BenQ mount made for the BenQ PJs.

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So it looks like this projector is a step down for 3D compared to the w1070. It states 120hz for 3D, that would mean no triple flash and no 24p. Nearly every 3D film that exists is 24p.
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I have this mount and am not a huge fan, but I fear it's because I am not using it properly maybe. I made a DIY mount for my last PJ. I wanted to buy a good one for the HT2050a, so I went for this one. From what I read, you should have the projector mount centered where the balance point of the PJ is located. Which is NOT center to the Projector. I balanced it with a pencil to try to find the center. I could not get the arms of the PJ mount to fit this holes very well without being obstructed by the mount itself. I finally got it, but the arms look odd and I don't think they are configured the way Peerless intends. I figured it was ok as the PJ didn't weight much and it's fine. What I cannot do is get the hex wrench between the arms and the mount to loosen them to allow you to slide the PJ left and right to center with the screen. Fortunately, I did a good job of putting it all together, and marking my holes in my ceiling so center of screen is center with lens. With that said, if I ever need to take the arms of the mount off my PJ, I fear I'll never be able to get it back how it is now. Again, maybe I'm just doing something wrong or missing something easy, but I fought with it for a very long time.

What I do like is it's easy to adjust to get it level front to back and side to side. I wish I had purchased a BenQ mount made for the BenQ PJs.

Thank you. That helps. My current mount was off centre as well with my ht2050. I have to reattach the mount to the ceiling to centre properly, so was hoping to get a mount that had more flexibility and ease of use. My current mount has no tilt or roll adjustment.

How is the prg-unv? It’s a little more.

https://www.peerless-av.com/en-us/pr...oducts/prg-unv

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What it the distance from centre of lens to the bottom of the projector? The manual doesn’t state it.

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Thank you. That helps. My current mount was off centre as well with my ht2050. I have to reattach the mount to the ceiling to centre properly, so was hoping to get a mount that had more flexibility and ease of use. My current mount has no tilt or roll adjustment.

How is the prg-unv? It’s a little more.

https://www.peerless-av.com/en-us/pr...oducts/prg-unv
The tilt and roll are amazing on this. That's the part I really like.

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I thought this was kind of cool. This is the iris aperture actuation in action. The noises are overblown because the mic of my iPhone was literally touching the projector.

https://youtu.be/mLFylhyrjuE
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That most important question (Imo). Is the 3d improved over the 1070?
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That the iris doesn't close completely. They missed an opportunity to create completely black intra-scene transitions which is where the poor black floor is most obvious.

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That the iris doesn't close completely. They missed an opportunity to create completely black intra-scene transitions which is where the poor black floor is most obvious.


Ah gotcha.

The HT5550 will have an Iris that can close complete for that infinite FOFO contrast you mention. But being frank, there’s not much in this price range that has a dynamic iris at all. And it performs very well to boot.

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I have this mount. Will this work with the HT3550?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


And I have it as close as I can for 125". Is there a calculator that I can use that has both the 3050 and 3550 so I can compare? I'm hoping to just use the same mount exactly where it is to make this an easy upgrade.

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I have this mount. Will this work with the HT3550?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


And I have it as close as I can for 125". Is there a calculator that I can use that has both the 3050 and 3550 so I can compare? I'm hoping to just use the same mount exactly where it is to make this an easy upgrade.
https://projectorcalculator.benq.com
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Thank you. I just measured. Lens is 134" from the screen. 125" in screen. I am in the safe zone for the 3550! Now how about the universal BenQ mount. Can I re-use that one? This would make it totally easy for me.

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By the way. HDR tone mapping on the Xbox One S sucks. I thought it look really good. I got a proper 4K Blu Ray player that handles YcPbr and it is a big difference. Don’t use the Xbox as a Blu Ray player.
Hi Scott.
A bit of off topic but interested because I just bought XBox X and have pre-ordered HT3550 too.
You're saying your XBox S still suffers from the UHD YCbCr-> RGB -> YCbCr conversion stupidity? I've read from several sources that Microsoft deployed a firmware update that fixes this few months ago. I don't mean the very old "grey black fix" but a fix for these inaccurate colors too.
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I'm interested in hearing about this more too. My HT3550 should be here Thursday and my only Blu-ray player in that room is my Xbox One X. My pioneer receiver only has 3 full 4k inputs I believe and the other two are occupied by my Apple TV 4k and 4k Fire stick. The Fire stick is a bit redundant and I suppose I could ditch that if I really need a dedicated UHD player.

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Has the input lag been measured on this unit yet (result)..?

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So I was told by Amazon that I would be charged the $1902.74 price when the ht3550 ships. I asked if I wanted the $1499.99 price, I would have to cancel and reorder and they said yes. I am reluctant to believe them as you know how they are. Any input on this?

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So I was told by Amazon that I would be charged the $1902.74 price when the ht3550 ships. I asked if I wanted the $1499.99 price, I would have to cancel and reorder and they said yes. I am reluctant to believe them as you know how they are. Any input on this?
I chatted and got the same response and then explained it is a preorder and hasn't shipped yet. They said the price may change at the time of shipping and if not a credit would be issued. I worry about cancelling my Amazon order as well since I placed it minutes after the link went live and paid for overnight shipping. I don't want to lose time by going back to the end of the line.

Where did people buy them that already have tracking? I know B&H had the listing up for a short time but hasn't been live ever since.

I swear when I ordered on Amazon it specifically listed the preorder price guarantee so that is why I didn't worry about the incorrect price at the time.
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Where did people buy them that already have tracking? I know B&H had the listing up for a short time but hasn't been live ever since.
I bought mine from Benq direct because I didn't want to pay Amazon taxes. Mine shipped Friday and will arrive on Thursday with free Fedex ground shipping from the west to east coast. I really hope it isn't a leftover pre-production model or something like that lol as the Benq site still says its not in stock or shipping yet.

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If you read my review I measured the input lag with a Bodnar lag tester and got 63ms.

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Hi Scott.

A bit of off topic but interested because I just bought XBox X and have pre-ordered HT3550 too.

You're saying your XBox S still suffers from the UHD YCbCr-> RGB -> YCbCr conversion stupidity? I've read from several sources that Microsoft deployed a firmware update that fixes this few months ago. I don't mean the very old "grey black fix" but a fix for these inaccurate colors too.


Last I heard this was still an issue. It’s possible this could have changed in the last few months but I haven’t kept up because I don’t own an S or X and don’t plan to.

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BenQ W2700 / HT3550 Announcement and Owner’s Thread

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If you read my review I measured the input lag with a Bodnar lag tester and got 63ms.


Have you tested after receiving the revised model? I’m curious myself, to see if they’ve managed to reduce the lag.

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Last I heard this was still an issue. It’s possible this could have changed in the last few months but I haven’t kept up because I don’t own an S or X and don’t plan to.
That was fixed a long while ago, should have been a part of system update 1804.180305-1900 that came out like last spring. Also fixed the low black levels back in 2017 as well.
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I bought mine from Benq direct because I didn't want to pay Amazon taxes. Mine shipped Friday and will arrive on Thursday with free Fedex ground shipping from the west to east coast. I really hope it isn't a leftover pre-production model or something like that lol as the Benq site still says its not in stock or shipping yet.

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I got mine through B&H and totally wasn't even expecting it to ship so soon. Especially after that whole engineering sample nonsense I went through. I guess Louie in the drop ship dept pulled some strings for me. Maybe he was tired of my emails lol
Mines also coming from west coast to east coast with delivery on Thursday as well.
Super excited, and I'll prob end up putting my super low hours ht2050 in my bedroom with a 120" screen.
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Ordered mine as well direct. I don't think I have ever done a pre-order on anything, most stuff I buy gets heavily debated in my mind before I pull a trigger. You could say my input lag is much longer than this projector (I crack myself up). Thanks to Sage and Scotty for their review. I can't wait to receive it and hope to avoid early adopter issues but somehow I feel this forum has my back.

So, I got the Panasonic UB900 already.
Netflix upgrade to 4K UHD upon receipt of projector.
I am going to upgrade my trusty Yamaha RX-V995 to a Costco model TSR-7850 and go buy it this weekend before it goes off sale
As for the screen, hmm, for now a painted DIY wall, will debate on a screen at some point and decide
Wife is dead set on leaving the ceiling alone (will ask for forgiveness once it's painted black at least closer to the screen)
Not sure about the mount, may be a DIY due to low ceiling like I used to have a couple of projectors ago

Wish me luck! It begins.
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