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@scottyroo Any chance you could shoot a video showing gaming on the 3500? Maybe a first person shooter with the controller in frame to show lag between button presses and action? I know not scientific but anything helps.
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That would be awesome. The more info on comparisons, the better.


I’ve posted some images over on my review thread.

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damn I want this projector so bad....... but I haven't even had my Optoma UHD50 for more than a couple months and I'm certainly past the return period now.

Something told me to wait just a few more weeks before buying it but that impulse won out and now at most the only thing I can do is probably sell it - ouch!

the price difference between the HT355O and the UHD50 is very negligible considering all the features it has going for it, that's probably what makes it a tough pill to swallow at this point
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Very cool, can’t wait for this to go on sale at Best Buy US


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I did directly compare the HT3550 with the HT2550. With all due respect to the HT2550, a projector I LIKE, the HT3550 trounces it. There isn’t single thing I can think of where the HT3550 doesn’t have a clear and distinct advantage. It’s just in another league. Which is why I was so shocked by the price...

As far as the Ht2050A comparison. I’ve been spending time going back and forth with both. My comparison will focus on HD content because, as you point out, the HT2050A can’t do 4K. Plus, the HT3550 has such a clear advantage in picture quality when displaying 4K/HDR it almost wouldn’t be fair to the HT2050A. UHD is just superior to HD.

As far as lamp dimming vs iris, there’s a very simple explanation that I can think of but I’m not sure if it’s 100% correct: the iris is controlled by Dynamic Black which is a function of the TI chipset (which is why you see it on many DLP projectors of various brands). BenQ, to my knowledge, has never previously used dynamic black instead opting for their own, proprietary SmartEco lamp dimming algorithm.

Fine, fine, stick with your felt and cardboard !



Still, I should have been clearer when I asked about comparisons you've done. I do remember your general comparison to the HT2550, but I did not recall any specific mention of the lamp-dimming effectiveness and obtrusiveness of the HT2550/TK800 vs. the lamp dimming of the HT3550 vs the dynamic iris of the HT3550. Basically, for people like 3DBob and myself who find the obtrusiveness of the previous generation 4k makes lamp-dimming unusable, will we be any happier with the lamp-dimming on the HT3550 ? Will we be happier with the new dynamic iris vs the previous gen lamp-dimming ? Is either method on the HT3550 as smooth as the HT2050A ?

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Hi everyone!

Just as I was ordering UHD51 (chose over HT2550) this new model appeared and wrecked havoc to my glorious plans to start new F1 season with a PJ.

So the quick question to gurus and (ex-)owners of UHD51 - can someone advise if HT3550 provides substantial and perceivable advantages compared to UHD51 to justify the 200-300Euro increase in costs and probably month or 2 of delay (I am in Europe)? (for a first-time owner)

Before HT3550 appeared I've investigated tonns of data, and as mentioned was considering between UHD51 and HT2550, so I have quite good understanding on what to expect and on some advantages\disadvantages between them, but I don't have enough understanding to make a conclusion about HT3550... any advise is appreciated.


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Question regarding ECO mode.

How much brightness do you loose in ECO mode? And does it affect HDR image quality so it's better to run the projector in Normal mode?
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Basically, for people like 3DBob and myself who find the obtrusiveness of the previous generation 4k makes lamp-dimming unusable, will we be any happier with the lamp-dimming on the HT3550 ? Will we be happier with the new dynamic iris vs the previous gen lamp-dimming ? Is either method on the HT3550 as smooth as the HT2050A ?
I had reported earlier on my unit the iris seems to creating an almost flickering effect sometimes, I've done more testing on the lamp dimming smarteco mode and it seems to have a similar effect at times. Either is very noticable during certain content. I really hope my unit is just missing an improvement to that behavior that will be fixed in the corrected unit they send next week. The best way to describe what I'm seeing is probably in my crude drawing below, instead of a smooth transition between brightness levels, it makes these very quick staggered cuts, I think if it were a smooth line it wouldn't be nearly as noticable. I hope that makes sense.



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My 27 minute doozy of a video review is up.

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Very nice quality video review and presentation. That kind of real world analysis means so much more to me than a spec heavy dissertation that some tech guys offer. While it might seem minor to some I for one was also impressed by the almost non existent light leakage. That always bothered me about my W1070 having a white tone ceiling in my viewing room. (No, I can’t paint the ceiling black due to WAF) It looks like my 3050 is headed to the “For Sale” section, shortly.
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Hi everyone!

Just as I was ordering UHD51 (chose over HT2550) this new model appeared and wrecked havoc to my glorious plans to start new F1 season with a PJ.

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Also sorry to digress, but if you’re a F1 fan be sure to check out the new series on Netflix “Formula 1: Drive to Survive” some spectacular images that looked great on my 4K tv. Planning to rewatch the entire series when I get the 3550 up and running. And now back to the topic at hand...
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Also sorry to digress, but if you’re a F1 fan be sure to check out the new series on Netflix “Formula 1: Drive to Survive” some spectacular images that looked great on my 4K tv. Planning to rewatch the entire series when I get the 3550 up and running. And now back to the topic at hand...
As a big F1 fan, I want to watch that badly. But I recently moved and I have not setup my audio yet so avoiding watching it properly. Now that with plans to put up a projector, would have to wait till I set all equipment up.
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Fine, fine, stick with your felt and cardboard !



Still, I should have been clearer when I asked about comparisons you've done. I do remember your general comparison to the HT2550, but I did not recall any specific mention of the lamp-dimming effectiveness and obtrusiveness of the HT2550/TK800 vs. the lamp dimming of the HT3550 vs the dynamic iris of the HT3550. Basically, for people like 3DBob and myself who find the obtrusiveness of the previous generation 4k makes lamp-dimming unusable, will we be any happier with the lamp-dimming on the HT3550 ? Will we be happier with the new dynamic iris vs the previous gen lamp-dimming ? Is either method on the HT3550 as smooth as the HT2050A ?


That’s tough for me to gauge. As you know, I notice the lamp dimming but aren’t as bothered by it. I see the lamp dimming on the Ht3550. In my opinion it is less noticeable than it is on the HT2550/TK800. It is not as innocuous as it is on the HT2050A/HT3050. In fact, none of BenQ’s other projectors (1080p included) have managed that level of ‘stealth’ dimming. My guess is the high native contrast of the larger DMD simply requires less intervention to get good contrast performance. That’s either a good thing (for those that don’t like noticeable active dimming) or a bad thing (for folks like me who would have liked to have seen even better contrast performance from 1080p DLP).
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Chris at Majestechs just did a short review of the HT3550 on his youtube channel. He does tout the contrast as being nice, but his knock on it is the sharpness. He said if you are more concerned with contrast and color over a sharp 4K picture, it's for you. He also prefers Rec709 as he's not a fan of the Filter with the Wide Color. He wasn't too impressed with the brightness either.
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Chris at Majestechs just did a short review of the HT3550 on his youtube channel. He does tout the contrast as being nice, but his knock on it is the sharpness. He said if you are more concerned with contrast and color over a sharp 4K picture, it's for you. He also prefers Rec709 as he's not a fan of the Filter with the Wide Color. He wasn't too impressed with the brightness either.
After reading your post of negatives I was expecting to watch a critical review of the HT3550... Which surprised me because I trust Chris to do really good objective reviews. The review was overwhelmingly positive. In his quest to be fairly objective, he admitted he had to dig to find something to be nitpicky about.

He also said "after watching the HT3550 for a few minutes I guarantee you'll be impressed with the overall image of this thing. Overall I think the HT3550 is a game changer considering its features and the fact that BenQ was able to fit all of this into a retail price of $1,500 is nothing short of amazing"

Hearing this from Chris is somewhat validating for me since every review that I've seen (including my own) share the exact same sentiment.

In my review I also say one of my only issues is the focus uniformity (sharpness). I also noticed how much sharper the new TK800M is in comparison ... but the sample units that Chris and I had were pre-production. I was told the focus uniformity and sharpness is supposed to improve in production.

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After reading your post of negatives I was expecting to watch a critical review of the HT3550... Which surprised me because I trust Chris to do really good objective reviews. The review was overwhelmingly positive. In his quest to be fairly objective, he admitted he had to dig to find something to be nitpicky about.

He also said "after watching the HT3550 for a few minutes I guarantee you'll be impressed with the overall image of this thing. Overall I think the HT3550 is a game changer considering its features and the fact that BenQ was able to fit all of this into a retail price of $1,500 is nothing short of amazing"

Hearing this from Chris is somewhat validating for me since every review that I've seen (including my own) share the exact same sentiment.

In my review I also say one of my only issues is the focus uniformity (sharpness). I also noticed how much sharper the new TK800M is in comparison ... but the sample units that Chris and I had were pre-production. I was told the focus uniformity and sharpness is supposed to improve in production.
My post was quite clear that Chris talked up the Contrast. But he very well did knock the Sharpness which I said in my post. If you didn't hear him say that, you may want to re-watch. He said if you are looking for a 4K HDR PJ with good contrast and color, this would be it. If you were concerend more about sharpness, it may not be. He also said he did not like the Filter. Chris' reviews are very high level, so he doesn't explain his problem with the Sharpness, other than it's not as Sharp as others he's seen.
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I still have my doubts on my unit about the iris and the lamp dimming behavior being very noticable that I'm hoping is corrected in my second unit, but one thing I can't knock is the sharpness or level of detail vs normal 1080P. I took these two pictures just now, top is normal operating mode, bottom is with silence mode engaged which disables the wobulation effectively turning it into a 1080p projector. The difference in the level of detail in the text at the top is some voodoo level stuff.


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Anyone know why Best Buy US isn’t carrying it, but Canada is?


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I still have my doubts on my unit about the iris and the lamp dimming behavior being very noticable that I'm hoping is corrected in my second unit, but one thing I can't knock is the sharpness or level of detail vs normal 1080P. I took these two pictures just now, top is normal operating mode, bottom is with silence mode engaged which disables the wobulation effectively turning it into a 1080p projector. The difference in the level of detail in the text at the top is some voodoo level stuff.


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I was actually gonna ask you this, Brandon. How is focus uniformity on the extreme edges of your production unit?

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I was actually gonna ask you this, Brandon. How is focus uniformity on the extreme edges of your production unit?
Focus seems fine across the screen, that pic was taken near the far right hand edge of the screen. I found it best to turn on silence mode to make sure the focus is tight and creates defined individual pixels then set it back to normal. I do see a little more chromatic aberation than I'd like up close but from my seat I don't see any.

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Focus seems fine across the screen, that pic was taken near the far right hand edge of the screen. I found it best to turn on silence mode to make sure the focus is tight and creates defined individual pixels then set it back to normal. I do see a little more chromatic aberation than I'd like up close but from my seat I don't see any.

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Focus seems fine across the screen, that pic was taken near the far right hand edge of the screen. I found it best to turn on silence mode to make sure the focus is tight and creates defined individual pixels then set it back to normal. I do see a little more chromatic aberation than I'd like up close but from my seat I don't see any.

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Love that idea. I'm doing that tonight. Gosh, I love this forum.

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My post was quite clear that Chris talked up the Contrast. But he very well did knock the Sharpness which I said in my post. If you didn't hear him say that, you may want to re-watch. He said if you are looking for a 4K HDR PJ with good contrast and color, this would be it. If you were concerend more about sharpness, it may not be. He also said he did not like the Filter. Chris' reviews are very high level, so he doesn't explain his problem with the Sharpness, other than it's not as Sharp as others he's seen.
That's fair. Chris has a big screen an uses ambient lighting as well. I can see why he wouldn't use the filter much. I like the color the filter provides, but you really have to have a 120" or less screen in a complete dark room to actually be ok leaving in WCG mode most of the time. I see where Chris is coming from on that point.

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That's fair. Chris has a big screen an uses ambient lighting as well. I can see why he wouldn't use the filter much. I like the color the filter provides, but you really have to have a 120" or less screen in a complete dark room to actually be ok leaving in WCG mode most of the time. I see where Chris is coming from on that point.
I have subscribed to Chris for a while and really enjoy his reviews. But, I take them in context since they are very brief and are always high level. His reviews are more to call attention to a nice product, so that you can then proceed to more research if you think it's what you want.....then come here for folks like you and sage who painstakingly go through every option, take notes, pictures, videos, etc. By the way, nice video on youtube. I watched that as soon as you posted, but forgot to mention it. What's crazy in your video, is at times, it appears the PJ is really tall, but must be the shadowing around your black ceiling. Keeps freaking me out as it looks like a tall box at times
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I received my HT3550 but I’m running into a problem. When I turn it on, it runs for a couple minutes with no lamp on then shuts off. Any ideas how to fix this? I tried 2 different hdmi cords and 2 different sources. Thanks
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I received my HT3550 but I’m running into a problem. When I turn it on, it runs for a couple minutes with no lamp on then shuts off. Any ideas how to fix this? I tried 2 different hdmi cords and 2 different sources. Thanks
Check the connection for the lap perhaps? I haven't really heard of leeds coming lose on projectors when shipped but I suppose it could happen. Hope you get it up and running.

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I received my HT3550 but I’m running into a problem. When I turn it on, it runs for a couple minutes with no lamp on then shuts off. Any ideas how to fix this? I tried 2 different hdmi cords and 2 different sources. Thanks


Does it do this without a source plugged in? Does the BenQ splash screen come up? Can you go into menus? Does the cooldown fan stay on after power down?

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