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Hi all,

Share some screen cap of my preliminary measurement

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By default W2700 can display up to 1300 nits information (Not 1300 nits brightness output)



HDR mode Default Greyscale with Brilliance Color OFF


HDR mode Default Greyscale with Brilliance Color ON


HDR mode Default BT2020


Cinema Mode SDR Default Greyscale


Cinema Mode Default CMS


Cinema Mode Default ColorChecker


No huge difference after calibration, will measure again this weekend

AND the following measurements from HT1075









EDIT: I am using 126" JK 1.0 gain white screen with good light control

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1,300 nits? There is no projector under $10,000 that can display 1,300 nits, if at all. Do you mean lumens?

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Two questions because you did the same upgrade as I am planning.

1) Did you use the same ceiling mount and position for the 3550 as for your 1075 or did you have to get a new one/move it horizontally? I am asking because the Benq manual for the 3550 doesn't show the ceiling mount/lens offset, the 1075 manual does.


2) Would you describe the image as an overall upgrade? I assumed black levels would be improved and colors would be much punchier.


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1. No, HT3550 is now lower 6" than HT1075 but have use all lens shift but HT1075 use all with 6" higher.

2. Better resolutions, better movement more 3D look and the color more punchy, less color accuracy, louder fan noise......

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1,300 nits? There is no projector under $10,000 that can display 1,300 nits, if at all. Do you mean lumens?
I mean can display 1300 picture information not said it can output 1300 nits luminance ...sorry for misleading.

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When watching UHD movie My wife prefer HDR ON with brighter image but I like HDR off with some tweaking in UB900 with puncher color and more image depth.

W2700 tune mapping HDR is very good but sometimes the skin tone look very weird in HDR mode and it look very natural and normal in SDR mode.

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I just heard that there is going to be an additional 1-2 week production delay to further improve production units relative to the sample units we received. It’s a bummer but if it means putting out a superior finished product, then I am all about it.


I agree, I guess there’s a reason why almost no projectors come precalibrated even really expensive ones. I hope BenQ gets plenty of praise by consumers and the media, otherwise they might determine it’s not worth it.
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For HDR10 mode, I immediately set all "CinemaMaster" settings to zero, especially color enhancer. After I set Color Enhancer to zero, the HDR image and auto tone mapping was the best I've seen from a projector. Art at projectorreviews.com said the same thing about saturation in HDR. It is because of the color enhancer set to 6 by default. I like it set to 6 on non-HDR but in HDR10, set to zero.

Wide color mode is for pitch black rooms, screens 100" or less. Critical viewing only.

I really enjoy Brilliant Color and leave it on with all my DLP projectors.

I've confirmed my unit accepts 4K24 4:4:4 10 bit from Sony x700. Xbox One X renders and outputs HDR10 as 4K60 4:2:0 and that has worked fine as well.
All setting in CinemaMaster in HDR mode were set to zero already.

I used have BenQ W5000 W6000 HT1075 Mitsubishi HC4000 HC8000 in past Brilliant Color must tune off because it will affect the liner of grey scale.

But recently, in LK990 and W2700 (HT3550) Brilliant Color must turn on to get liner grey scale and brightness....may be time is changed.

Wide color in my 126" 1.0 gain white screen is too dim......but when I use normal color gamut in HDR mode I can set the HDR brightness to -2 so that I get more contrast in HDR mode.
So I will give up the wide color.

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I'm Also thinking of upgrading from W1070 to HT3550. I'm currently projecting on a 96" screen from a distance of 10 feet. Will I notice any differences between 1080p to 4K in such a short view point?
Yes, you will notice the differences, the color is more solid, the movement is smoother and the resolution.
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1,300 nits? There is no projector under $10,000 that can display 1,300 nits, if at all. Do you mean lumens?
May I know what is the latest firmware version? My unit come with 1.0.0

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1. No, HT3550 is now lower 6" than HT1075 but have use all lens shift but HT1075 use all with 6" higher.
1) By no you mean "not the same ceiling mount" or "not moving the mount horizontally"?
2) So you are saying the HT3550s max Lens shift projects 6'' lower than the HT1075s max lens shift?
Vertical projection is not really an issue for me, it's whether I have to move the mount left or right.
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When launches are delayed I find it is best to embrace the wisdom of Miyamoto-San.

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad".

In this case we are talking about projectors but I find the analogy still holds true.

It's a bummer to have to continue to wait when you've had expectations set. In my opinion any company that pushes a incomplete or erroneous product is far worse then a company which pushes back a timeline to make their product the best it can be. I mean what's the worse case? More models are announced and previewed before the ht3550 comes out forcing us to make a more informed decision..?

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1. No, HT3550 is now lower 6" than HT1075 but have use all lens shift but HT1075 use all with 6" higher.
1) By no you mean "not the same ceiling mount" or "not moving the mount horizontally"?
2) So you are saying the HT3550s max Lens shift projects 6'' lower than the HT1075s max lens shift?
Vertical projection is not really an issue for me, it's whether I have to move the mount left or right.
The length of the vertical struts is 6" longer than the original, the mount is the same one but the position of screws are a bit different.

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I just heard that there is going to be an additional 1-2 week production delay to further improve production units relative to the sample units we received. It’s a bummer but if it means putting out a superior finished product, then I am all about it.
I've been prepping my theater room for the 3550 since my Epson 8350 "died" two weeks ago. After fishing new HDMI cables through my walls and up to the projector location, I plugged them into the 8350 to double check which cable is going to be for HDMI 1 and which is going to be for HDMI 2. To my surprise, the 8350 is back to normal. It has gone back and forth before, but with this delay in shipping 3550's, I'm hoping to get a few more weeks out of it.
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If it’s delayed again, why is it available for purchase from Frys?


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If it’s delayed again, why is it available for purchase from Frys?


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The length of the vertical struts is 6" longer than the original, the mount is the same one but the position of screws are a bit different.
I would agree the HT3550 seems to project higher when mounted from the ceiling than the HT1075 did. I had bought a new mount for this projector because my old one wouldn't hold its position well. The new one is about 1.5 to 2 inches longer than the old one and still I struggled a bit to get the picture low enough, using all the lens shift I think I'm probably still tilting the projector just a bit. The geometry being off slightly because of that is not noticeable because I have it set to create a picture just a hair bigger than my screen is and the border doesn't show that overscan so I'm not using any keystone correction. I might end up just raising my screen a bit.

On a different note, Chhanthony, have you noticed any of the weird flashing or flickering I've seen sometimes with the dynamic iris on?
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BenQ W2700 / HT3550 Announcement and Owner’s Thread

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If it’s delayed again, why is it available for purchase from Frys?


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If it’s not shipping then we’re all in the same boat. FRY’s had to get its systems ready I assume and are impacted by the delays. Anyway, we have a couple of users providing valuable input on actual usage. Can we focus on that? We already know it’s delayed. We already know they’re in the range of they suck as a company to I can’t wait for people posting here. Maybe we can get more information after the event today. Till then, look forward to real world feedback.


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I noted that W2700 have image delay even I turn the motion enchancer off, any idea can fix it?

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I used Edge/Microsoft translator as I don't speak German. Here's the conclusion:

"The engineers of the W2700 have dedicated all these areas: A full glass lens ensures a good sharpness, a modern signal processing provides a good HDR customization, a dynamic aperture increases the dynamic range, a color optimized color wheel for a large color space and an additional DCI colorspace for a good DCI use. Thus a UHD image reproduction for this price range surprisingly balanced with natural look of the image, so lacking in many other models manages the W2700.

All this is integrated in a living-room-friendly, light chassis that allows a wide image even in small spaces. Unfortunately the BenQ W2700 but can be (like all DLP projectors in this price class) miss some installation flexibility, so that a certain spatial planning is advance essential to experience then any nasty surprise."


They are looking forward to the 5700 review which is currently out of my price range. Net net - They seem to like it for the price point.
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I noted that W2700 have image delay even I turn the motion enchancer off, any idea can fix it?
Could be processing delay in your player too. Is it for all content?
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I noted that W2700 have image delay even I turn the motion enchancer off, any idea can fix it?
I have not noticed any audio delay with the motion enhancer off, with it on I noticed the lip sync was a little off and would have had to adjust the delay in my amp to match.

In the Cine4Home review I noticed he said this about the iris: "The system works well overall and improves the black level significantly, but occasionally caused subtle jumps in brightness in our test scenes." That sounds a little bit like the flicker I've described on mine, though maybe not as bad as what I saw, because I think he would have emphasized it more if so.

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Hi all,

Share some screen cap of my preliminary measurement

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Klein Instruments K10-A
CalMAN VideoForge Pro



EDIT: I am using 126" JK 1.0 gain white screen with good light control
Hi, chhanthonyi,

Would you mind to show following set of data
1. 709 post cal
2. data of wide gamut w/o engaging HDR. (means native color gamut)
3. data of wide gamut HDR engaged

I believe the CMS of W2700 can achieve better result. I got several calibration experiences for HDR pj such as JVC 550/ 790/ 990/ UHZ68/UHD68. My experiences told better to cal the best result of 709 and then check the result of newer format.

By the way, can it by pass HDR mode from player, just let HT3550 do the HDR?

Thanks
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Would you mind to show following set of data

1. 709 post cal

2. data of wide gamut w/o engaging HDR. (means native color gamut)

3. data of wide gamut HDR engaged



I believe the CMS of W2700 can achieve better result. I got several calibration experiences for HDR pj such as JVC 550/ 790/ 990/ UHZ68/UHD68. My experiences told better to cal the best result of 709 and then check the result of newer format.



By the way, can it by pass HDR mode from player, just let HT3550 do the HDR?



Thanks


I’ve got a feeling that Anthony got one of the uncalibrated units. His color measurements don’t match the cine4home German review.

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I have not noticed any audio delay with the motion enhancer off, with it on I noticed the lip sync was a little off and would have had to adjust the delay in my amp to match.

In the Cine4Home review I noticed he said this about the iris: "The system works well overall and improves the black level significantly, but occasionally caused subtle jumps in brightness in our test scenes." That sounds a little bit like the flicker I've described on mine, though maybe not as bad as what I saw, because I think he would have emphasized it more if so.

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Brandon, I noticed that too and meant to point that out or ask if that's similar to what you experienced with flicker.

Scotty, Anthony had a question earlier on firmware, believe he said he has 1.0, is that the latest? Doesn't appear to be if there was an update to the firmware already (unless they started the firmware as .9 or something).
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Brandon, I noticed that too and meant to point that out or ask if that's similar to what you experienced with flicker.

Scotty, Anthony had a question earlier on firmware, believe he said he has 1.0, is that the latest? Doesn't appear to be if there was an update to the firmware already (unless they started the firmware as .9 or something).
Here's a video I made for Sage to send to Benq of what mine was doing if you want to see exactly what I'm talking about. Take a close look at the background around the characters right after the camera switches, especially when it switches to the shots with just Ted Danson. You'll see that the brightness of the background almost seems to flash or flicker for a second or so until it settles. It is also more apparent in person to me than it shows up in this video.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ko7...ew?usp=sharing

My firmware is on the 1.0 level, but from what I gather there may also be TI chipset firmware that is not user upgradable that controls some of this functionality. I don't know how to check the version of that.
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With the delay in shipping taking place, even though I have an order placed for the 3550, I'm going to take some time investigating other projectors, starting with the Epson 4010. There are a couple good deals placing the 4010 only a few hundred higher than the 3550, including a couple extras. The 4010 seems like a worthy competitor to the 3550, easily beating it in areas such as lag, contrast, and placement. Decisions, decisions....
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Here's a video I made for Sage to send to Benq of what mine was doing if you want to see exactly what I'm talking about. Take a close look at the background around the characters right after the camera switches, especially when it switches to the shots with just Ted Danson. You'll see that the brightness of the background almost seems to flash or flicker for a second or so until it settles. It is also more apparent in person to me than it shows up in this video.

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My firmware is on the 1.0 level, but from what I gather there may also be TI chipset firmware that is not user upgradable that controls some of this functionality. I don't know how to check the version of that.
That's fairly visible, has the potential to drive me nuts or turn it off altogether.
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Yeah, you can totally see that! Hopefully the good units don't exhibit anything like that.
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With the delay in shipping taking place, even though I have an order placed for the 3550, I'm going to take some time investigating other projectors, starting with the Epson 4010. There are a couple good deals placing the 4010 only a few hundred higher than the 3550, including a couple extras. The 4010 seems like a worthy competitor to the 3550, easily beating it in areas such as lag, contrast, and placement. Decisions, decisions....
I stayed away from Epson for a while (old, long story) but what's holding me back is their choice to not do a full 18gpbs (HDMI 2.0.x spec) except for much higher end models. Why on earth would you introduce a projector in late 2018 and not upgrade the chip? Anyway, keep us posted on what you decide. I still have my order with BenQ like you, awaiting more feedback before I decide.
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