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For those considering this projector, what's your plan for the screen and why? Is anyone considering DIY (painted for ex.)? Please provide your thoughts on gain. I know everything has its price (ex. too much gain and you get hotspotting, angles and where you sit matters) but happy to hear your thoughts on how you are approaching it.

For me, I would like to start with DIY painted screen to start, lightish grey, 1.2 gain even though I have light control and will watch at night but I can't paint my ceiling black due to SOQS at home. I plan to have no borders to start. You?
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For those considering this projector, what's your plan for the screen and why? Is anyone considering DIY (painted for ex.)? Please provide your thoughts on gain. I know everything has its price (ex. too much gain and you get hotspotting, angles and where you sit matters) but happy to hear your thoughts on how you are approaching it.



For me, I would like to start with DIY painted screen to start, lightish grey, 1.2 gain even though I have light control and will watch at night but I can't paint my ceiling black due to SOQS at home. I plan to have no borders to start. You?


For most I would recommend just hopping on Amazon and getting a Silver Ticket screen. If dealing with ambient light consider an ALR screen or high contrast grey screen. I paired my W1070 back in the day with a .9 gain grey screen and loved it.

In general I like acoustically transparent screens to hide speakers. Such a clean look and sounds is coming out of the screen. You can’t spot the sound stage.

My one screen I would recommend to most: 135” silver ticket acoustically transparent 1.0 gain white screen.

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https://youtu.be/6V4Rd0SRxBA
Is HDMI port on the PJ ARC? Like if you play a file through USB, would it send audio to AVR?

Another question, if you attach a USB to PJ, can you access it using network interface and transfer files, or delete files off it?
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Is HDMI port on the PJ ARC? Like if you play a file through USB, would it send audio to AVR?



Another question, if you attach a USB to PJ, can you access it using network interface and transfer files, or delete files off it?


No it does not do ARC. I provided feedback on this a couple of months ago to BenQ. They are considering for future models.

There are no networking capabilities on the HT3550 so no... unfortunately not.
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For those considering this projector, what's your plan for the screen and why? Is anyone considering DIY (painted for ex.)? Please provide your thoughts on gain. I know everything has its price (ex. too much gain and you get hotspotting, angles and where you sit matters) but happy to hear your thoughts on how you are approaching it.

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I am considering this PJ, but not straight away. I currently use painted screens and I much prefer them because there is little issue with aligning the PJ with screen or hanging the screen on the wall, and I have a lot of freedom to decide on what image size I want to use.

I used a satin on one screen and I'm not too happy with it as the brush strokes show in very bright scenes. I used TVwhite (grey) on another and it works well, albeit with a fairly low gain.

I'm not sure how you could get 1.2 gain with a grey painted screen?
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For those considering this projector, what's your plan for the screen and why? Is anyone considering DIY (painted for ex.)? Please provide your thoughts on gain. I know everything has its price (ex. too much gain and you get hotspotting, angles and where you sit matters) but happy to hear your thoughts on how you are approaching it.



For me, I would like to start with DIY painted screen to start, lightish grey, 1.2 gain even though I have light control and will watch at night but I can't paint my ceiling black due to SOQS at home. I plan to have no borders to start. You?
If I end up with this next year or the 5550, I'll have a 120" Elite Sable Cinewhite 1.1 screen. I plan on making some changes to the room.
1. Add velvet curtains, most likely a deep burgundy to the front 2/3rds of the side walls in the room. They'll be able to cover two doorways on the left and a window on the right. Not overly concerned with the front wall as there'll only be a foot of it showing on either side and its already brick red.

2. Do some sort of blacking out of the ceiling up to that same point. Might go with black rug tiles or polyester ceiling tiles. Though I'll probably just settle for paint as it's an easier fix in case I do sell the place.

3. Last year I upgraded my speakers to MA Silver and gold up front. Haven't put up the bronze bipole speakers yet, but they'll go up on the side walls. The room is 12x12 with the sofa against the rear wall. I'm at 5.2 now. Don't think I'd really benefit going to 5.2.2 in a room this size. Definitely wouldn't settle for the reflecting speaker setup for atmos off the fronts. If I did the .2 I'd run the wire with the projector wiring and have a wood channel go up to the blackout and do a similar trim piece across it to hide the wiring for two ceiling speakers.

And then I should be fairly complete. Will ride out my time with the 2050a for a bit and decide which I'll save for... the 3550 or just get the 5550. Have a feeling anything else in other companies' pipelines aren't going to give me the 120" at a sub 12' throw. Hopefully can sell the JVC for $600 or more.

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For those considering this projector, what's your plan for the screen and why? Is anyone considering DIY (painted for ex.)? Please provide your thoughts on gain. I know everything has its price (ex. too much gain and you get hotspotting, angles and where you sit matters) but happy to hear your thoughts on how you are approaching it.

For me, I would like to start with DIY painted screen to start, lightish grey, 1.2 gain even though I have light control and will watch at night but I can't paint my ceiling black due to SOQS at home. I plan to have no borders to start. You?
I recommend a XY-Screen, thin bezel projector screen. The 12mm bezel really makes it look like a huge tv. Build quality is better than Silver Tickets and Elite Screens. I got the alr version, Black Crystal, .8 gain in 120 inches. $550 shipped. Great image with my HT2050. IMO white screens suck in any ambient light viewing. I would do a white screen, if I only watched in a pitch black, velvet everywhere room, for all content.
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No it does not do ARC. I provided feedback on this a couple of months ago to BenQ. They are considering for future models.

There are no networking capabilities on the HT3550 so no... unfortunately not.
hi scottyroo

My W2700(HT3550) seems have problem on motion enhancer in 24P, I noted that when I play 4K 24p HDR movie, in many times the motion enhancer wasn't take effect,
If I force the source to 60P then motion enhancer will take effect.

But even motion enhancer took effect on either 24P or 60P the movement is not very smooth and will have some lip sync issues in 24P.

When I turn it off then the movement will be better.

Why I knew the motion enhancer have take effect, as the image is very flat without it.

Did you have any motion enhancer issues?

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My W2700(HT3550) seems have problem on motion enhancer in 24P, I noted that when I play 4K 24p HDR movie, in many times the motion enhancer wasn't take effect,

If I force the source to 60P then motion enhancer will take effect.



But even motion enhancer took effect on either 24P or 60P the movement is not very smooth and will have some lip sync issues in 24P.



When I turn it off then the movement will be better.



Why I knew the motion enhancer have take effect, as the image is very flat without it.



Did you have any motion enhancer issues?


I haven’t noticed any issues. Then again I have left mine off almost entirely as I don’t enjoy the motion enhancer effect.

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hi scottyroo



My W2700(HT3550) seems have problem on motion enhancer in 24P, I noted that when I play 4K 24p HDR movie, in many times the motion enhancer wasn't take effect,

If I force the source to 60P then motion enhancer will take effect.



But even motion enhancer took effect on either 24P or 60P the movement is not very smooth and will have some lip sync issues in 24P.



When I turn it off then the movement will be better.



Why I knew the motion enhancer have take effect, as the image is very flat without it.



Did you have any motion enhancer issues?


I haven’t noticed any issues. Then again I have left mine off almost entirely as I don’t enjoy the motion enhancer effect. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
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Here are some measures:

Gamut with Filter :

https://www.noelshack.com/2019-13-4-...mut-etendu.jpg

Input lag 4K and 1080P :

https://www.noelshack.com/2019-13-4-...benq-w2700.jpg

the image accuracy is exemplary

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Is it just me or are these image links broken?
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Hi kraine,

Would you please try the Motion Enhancer, I note that this function wasn't always work, especially in 4K 24P, even I set the Motion Enhancer to High.

Thank you very much!

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Works fine for me.
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Kraine, you can achieve slightly better results by making sure 4K pixel enhancer is on zero and the iris is turned off.
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Works fine for me.


Thanks, I’m using the Tapatalk app and didn’t want to fire up my desktop. I just checked Kraine’s blog and was able to see them.

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Kraine, you can achieve slightly better results by making sure 4K pixel enhancer is on zero and the iris is turned off.
Very slightly ;

The best result in 1080p with all off (iris xpr frame interpolation) is 74.3 ms. I have measured every configurations in 1080p and 4k.
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The best result in 1080p with all off (iris xpr frame interpolation) is 74.3 ms. I have measured every configurations in 1080p and 4k.


Hm... I’m able to get 63/64ms consistently and that was before and after the rework to release firmware. In fact, the last of those three shots is from a completely different session / time stamp.

Not that it probably matters too much as both numbers are likely too high for many gamers. Still, it’s interesting to me that there is a discrepancy.

Edit: my results were not in silent. I get this number in either vivid or cinema with 4K XPR operating normally, MEMC OFF, 4K enhancer reduced to zero, and the iris OFF.

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This is my results with a définitive version. I’m using 2 probes for the lag (4K and 1080p) and none of my measures is going under 74 ms.

The BenQ W2700 have some advantages for home theater but itsn’t made for hard core gamers.
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This is my results with a définitive version. I’m using 2 probes for the lag (4K and 1080p) and none of my measures is going under 74 ms.

The BenQ W2700 have some advantages for home theater but itsn’t made for hard core gamers.


You won’t get any argument from me there. I struggle to play on anything with more than 2 frames of lag.

Are you certain you reduced 4K pixel enhancer to zero under cinemaster? If I leave the pixel enhancer on I can get closer to your number. This is with a Bodnar 1080p lag tester.


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For those considering this projector, what's your plan for the screen and why? Is anyone considering DIY (painted for ex.)? Please provide your thoughts on gain. I know everything has its price (ex. too much gain and you get hotspotting, angles and where you sit matters) but happy to hear your thoughts on how you are approaching it.

For me, I would like to start with DIY painted screen to start, lightish grey, 1.2 gain even though I have light control and will watch at night but I can't paint my ceiling black due to SOQS at home. I plan to have no borders to start. You?

I can black out windows and turn off the light, but my walls and ceiling are not black.
From what I understand I should go with a grey 1.1 or 1.2 (I'm in EU and availability pushes me towards the 1.2 CineGrey EliteScreen).
Is it correct to go for a grey in my situation and for this projector?
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I can black out windows and turn off the light, but my walls and ceiling are not black.
From what I understand I should go with a grey 1.1 or 1.2 (I'm in EU and availability pushes me towards the 1.2 CineGrey EliteScreen).
Is it correct to go for a grey in my situation and for this projector?
I would suggest considering an ambient light rejecting (ALR) screen. I know these are often marketed as screens for when you want to watch with the lights on but they serve an even more important purpose (for me anyway) of rejecting some of the light that is not coming directly from the projector (off-axis light) ie. light reflections from the walls and ceilings, when watching at night in a less than ideal room. A simple grey screen will do nothing to prevent deterioration in actual contrast performance from reflections, whereas ALR screens will.

Seymour matinee black 1.2 and Carls ALR screen material are both reasonably affordable options. I personally have the Dark Energy Abyss 0.9 gain (soon to be paired with a high lumen laser projector) which I'm very happy with but will most likely be too dim with the W2700. There is the Dark Energy Pulsar 1.4 gain which you may want to look into. The French forums also have good reviews of XY screens Black Crystal from China which is probably the cheapest of the ones I've listed.

One thing to note about ALR screens, is that the throw ratio (width of the screen : projector throw distance) is crucial. Most ALR screens advise a throw ratio of 1.6+. The longer recommended throw is to minimise hot-spotting which is when the center of the image appears brighter than the corners. This occurs because given a certain screen size, the closer the projector is to the screen, the more acute the angle of incidence of the light towards the corners of the screen, and as ALR screens are designed to reject off-axis light, some of the light coming from the projector will be rejected.
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I can black out windows and turn off the light, but my walls and ceiling are not black.
From what I understand I should go with a grey 1.1 or 1.2 (I'm in EU and availability pushes me towards the 1.2 CineGrey EliteScreen).
Is it correct to go for a grey in my situation and for this projector?
What color are your walls?

The Cinegrey 3D with 1.2 gain is an ALR fabric and you will have a hotspot and some sparkle in the center of the screen in bright scenes. Also 90 degree viewing angle.
The Cinegrey (matte grey, 1.0 gain) is not an ALR fabric, but will dull the colors and whites in favor of better blacks.
Had both (still have the 3D), the Cinegrey was not to my linking.
There is the 5D version with 1.5 gain, but you'll get a more accentuated hotspot and sparkle, but with better contrast and brightness.
Samples are available for order.

If you have the "skills" paints are also an option, some mixes can give you a positive gain, without the hotspot and sparkle. Black widow greay pearl looked identical to the Cinegrey 3D in the dark, but with lights on the ALR fabric was vastly superior.

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My W2700(HT3550) seems have problem on motion enhancer in 24P, I noted that when I play 4K 24p HDR movie, in many times the motion enhancer wasn't take effect,
If I force the source to 60P then motion enhancer will take effect.

But even motion enhancer took effect on either 24P or 60P the movement is not very smooth and will have some lip sync issues in 24P.

When I turn it off then the movement will be better.

Why I knew the motion enhancer have take effect, as the image is very flat without it.

Did you have any motion enhancer issues?
The image is not enhanced because the movie is at 23.976 and you are playing at 24P.
From the manual:
Motion Enhancer 4K: You can use this feature to smooth fast-moving videos by comparing consecutive image frames ans inserting an intermediate image frame between them.

There is nothing specific in the manual about this, but can the Motion Enhancer work at [email protected]?

Also, what is LUMI EXPERT? IT says it's not available for this model, so for the 5550?

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Thanks. I created a thread for my quest to keep this from going off topic :-)
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Interesting! Would you mind if you could share how you decided to buy TK800 two weeks ago and then HT3550 now? Thanks a lot!


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This is my first projector and I was very concerned with the ambient light I would have. After using the TK800 I found that it was almost too bright and I over estimated the ambient light I would have (basement with one window, white walls).
After reading all the reviews, I was just interested in a more cinematic projector with more accurate colour.
After I receive the HT3550 I think I will have to shut out all additional research... I'm the type of person who would return the 3550 because of whatever will be released 6 months from now.


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How would this be for movies in the backyard? I’m moving soon and wanted to get a projector for the basement and bring it outside for movies with the kids. Is 2000 lumens bright enough if I start at dusk? This would be my first projector so I’m learning as I go here!
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How would this be for movies in the backyard? I’m moving soon and wanted to get a projector for the basement and bring it outside for movies with the kids. Is 2000 lumens bright enough if I start at dusk? This would be my first projector so I’m learning as I go here!


If this is something of a regular use, you should wait for tk800 successor.
You get the 2000 lumens only in the bright mode which is not usable since the image is too green.

The below is what projector reviews measured with 2550.

Picture ModeLumensColor Temp (Kelvin)
Bright17937602K
Vivid13696625K
Cinema9216623K
Sport14447228K
User 113697260K
User 213697933K

And beware this is with a new lamp. And will drop from here as you put more and more hours on it.


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How would this be for movies in the backyard? I’m moving soon and wanted to get a projector for the basement and bring it outside for movies with the kids. Is 2000 lumens bright enough if I start at dusk? This would be my first projector so I’m learning as I go here!




If this is something of a regular use, you should wait for tk800 successor.
You get the 2000 lumens only in the bright mode which is not usable since the image is too green.

The below is what projector reviews measured with 2550.

Picture ModeLumensColor Temp (Kelvin)
Bright17937602K
Vivid13696625K
Cinema9216623K
Sport14447228K
User 113697260K
User 213697933K

And beware this is with a new lamp. And will drop from here as you put more and more hours on it.


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Thank you! Any idea when that is going to be released?
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I must not be sensitive to input lag. I am currently playing through the new game Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice on my HT2550 (50ms input lag). This is a game that requires some pretty quick input and response time to parry and deflect attacks and I am having zero issues. IMO people make a bigger deal out of input lag than it actually is. Maybe if you want to play online games where you already have to deal with network/internet latency it might be an issue. But for single player games I don't think 50-60ms is going to make a difference.

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