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How would this be for movies in the backyard? I’m moving soon and wanted to get a projector for the basement and bring it outside for movies with the kids. Is 2000 lumens bright enough if I start at dusk? This would be my first projector so I’m learning as I go here!
You would be perfectly fine using this outdoors with that brightness. Lots of folks are interested in their outdoor movies looking as good as their inside HT. I'm not sure where you fall, but I'm not one of those people. Since I purchased the HT2050a for my Basement HT, my old 720P Panasonic 750 Lumen PJ has become my outdoor PJ. Halloween, we were shining my Panny on the garage door at Dusk and it kept playing when dark. I had to set it to Vivid. With the calibrated image I have on the Panasonic, it was more like 250 lumens per some pro reviews I read, but obviously higher on Vivid and my brightness turned up. It was very enjoyable and those stopping for Candy thought it was great.

So, will a 2,000 Lumen BenQ be fine....absolutely, again, unless you are one who wants everything as accurate outside as inside We don't. We do it for fun and it's enjoyable for the kids....not to be a perfectly accurate image. The kids don't care anyway. In fact, if I upgrade to the HT3550, my 2050a will become my outdoor PJ.
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I must not be sensitive to input lag. I am currently playing through the new game Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice on my HT2550 (50ms input lag). This is a game that requires some pretty quick input and response time to parry and deflect attacks and I am having zero issues. IMO people make a bigger deal out of input lag than it actually is. Maybe if you want to play online games where you already have to deal with network/internet latency it might be an issue. But for single player games I don't think 50-60ms is going to make a difference.
I would personally disagree but I think there is a lot of merit to what you are saying. It's less about the individual display input lag number and more about the input lag STACK. People can't really detect a difference between, say, 16ms and 33ms. But if that 33ms pushed them over another boundary when combined with the controller latency, network latency, the game's input latency and the lag caused by the animation of the character then they will.

Overall, I find modern games to be far more tolerant of lag simply due to the luxurious animations you get with character design these days. Going back and attempting to play Super Mario Bros. 3 on my NES classic is always an eye opener to just how much lag I've been trained to accept.

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This is my results with a d&#233;finitive version. I’m using 2 probes for the lag (4K and 1080p) and none of my measures is going under 74 ms.

The BenQ W2700 have some advantages for home theater but itsn’t made for hard core gamers.
@kraine - I'm struggling justifying the purchase of a 4k Leo Bodnar device. Are the measurements on the 4K Bodnar really that much more accurate on a 4K device compared to the 1080p Bodnar? Most testers who use both 1080p and 4k devices usually end up with a very similar input lag result within 2-3ms of each other.

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Fingers crossed I'll get shipping info today.
According to my source, they're supposed to have the special delivery there today!
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My HT3550 is still showing a delivery from Amazon on Monday. If that happens, how does one know if it was a unit with thr needed changes or not?

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The BenQ W2700 review is online :

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/

For JackB and all the english readers you will find the translation in English at the end of the test.
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^^^^

Wow, surprised at the low lumen output and low contrast with the iris. The JVC 4k DLP projector out performs the HT3550. That's wild.

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Wow, surprised at the low lumen output and low contrast with the iris. The JVC 4k DLP projector out performs the HT3550. That's wild.


The JVC UH1 only outperforms the HT3550 with the iris in it’s fast mode. In this setting the JVC produces visible pumping artifacts. Considering how many complaints we’ve seen about the fairly innocuous iris in the BenQ I think it’s safe to say that most people would not use the JVC with the iris set to fast.

Plus, the Ht3550 is not a competitor for the $2500 JVC UH1– but the HT5550 IS. @scottyroo and I got a good look at the HT5550 in New York and, overall, we both liked what we saw. Greg got a look at that model in Amsterdam and he also has high expectations. I know Scott will be receiving one to test but I don’t believe he has equipment to measure contrast. Still, he should be able to provide observations of how it compares with the HT3550.

And I have to ask: did everyone just forget that this thing retails for $1500?? I’ve seen more comments about how this Ht3550 stacks up against projectors 2-3 times it’s price than I have questions about how it compares with it’s actual competition. I don’t know... if I was BenQ I might just take that as a compliment.

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My HT3550 is still showing a delivery from Amazon on Monday. If that happens, how does one know if it was a unit with thr needed changes or not?

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Wow, surprised at the low lumen output and low contrast with the iris. The JVC 4k DLP projector out performs the HT3550. That's wild.


The JVC UH1 only outperforms the HT3550 with the iris in it’s fast mode. In this setting the JVC produces visible pumping artifacts. Considering how many complaints we’ve seen about the fairly innocuous iris in the BenQ I think it’s safe to say that most people would not use the JVC with the iris set to fast.

Plus, the Ht3550 is not a competitor for the $2500 JVC UH1– but the HT5550 IS. @scottyroo and I got a good look at the HT5550 in New York and, overall, we both liked what we saw. Greg got a look at that model in Amsterdam and he also has high expectations. I know Scott will be receiving one to test but I don’t believe he has equipment to measure contrast. Still, he should be able to provide observations of how it compares with the HT3550.

And I have to ask: did everyone just forget that this thing retails for $1500?? I’ve seen more comments about how this Ht3550 stacks up against projectors 2-3 times it’s price than I have questions about how it compares with it’s actual competition. I don’t know... if I was BenQ I might just take that as a compliment. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
IDK. I get what you're saying. But with all the hype, I'm disappointed in the numbers. The high input lag, they low lumen output, the barely better contrast with a iris. Its not gonna cut it for videogames and sports viewing imo. After the first 500 hours, I'm sure buyers are gonna be clamoring for more brightness, especially ones with bigger screens. DLPs need lasers to truly take that next step. With ViewSonic selling a 1080p laser for $1400 and BenQ selling one for $1500, it's time.

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IDK. I get what you're saying. But with all the hype, I'm disappointed in the numbers. The high input lag, they low lumen output, the barely better contrast with with a iris. Its not gonna cut it for videogames and sports viewing imo. After the first 500 hours, I'm sure buyers are gonna be clamoring for more brightness, especially ones with bigger screens. DLPs need lasers to truly take that next step. With ViewSonic selling a 1080p laser for $1400 and BenQ selling one for $1500, it's time.


I can watch TV on the HT3550 in ECO lamp in this room with the lights on:

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So apparently projector people has this in stock and ships within 1 to 2 days.

Safe to say these are the newer fixed ones and not old stock?
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IDK. I get what you're saying. But with all the hype, I'm disappointed in the numbers. The high input lag, they low lumen output, the barely better contrast with a iris. Its not gonna cut it for videogames and sports viewing imo. After the first 500 hours, I'm sure buyers are gonna be clamoring for more brightness, especially ones with bigger screens. DLPs need lasers to truly take that next step. With ViewSonic selling a 1080p laser for $1400 and BenQ selling one for $1500, it's time.


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So apparently projector people has this in stock and ships within 1 to 2 days.



Safe to say these are the newer fixed ones and not old stock?


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Also projector people use code SAVE2019 save 50$*. -_- pulled the trigger!!!
Just would of liked that Visual Apex would of had it since i don't get charged tax from them
128$ tax -_- My lord what world we live in .

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I can watch TV on the HT3550 in ECO lamp in this room with the lights on:
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@sage o,o Srl so it looks good? because it just looks washed out on my friend projector rated @ 3300lumes the mh530 @ its a 100" screen .
Nice speakers my same set

& I would say it would look washed out my friend has a benq mh530fhd the room is a bit like yours & it just looks bad.
but when night time comes awesome .

Why not add some curtains?
doesn't even have to be black out.
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Too soon?

Lol, y'all got it man. I'm not trying to be a debbie downer. I thought this was gonna be the one to replaced my HT2050. But it comes up short for my wants. The Epson 4000 is looking like a better buy. Looking forward to your 5050UB/HT3550/HT5500 comparison.

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I've been trying to find this info but as usual there's tons of posts all over the place and digging through it all is a serious PITA.

What more or less can you expect in the HT5550 over the 3550?

Looks like HT5550 has 200 less lumens.

Better zooming and throw range.

100,000 for the 5550 vs 30,000 contrast ratio in the 3550.

A slightly better lens as well?

HT 3550 appears to be little quieter fan wise. According to projector central. And has about double the lag?

This is what I dug up from the PC site plus IIRC what I've read online about both.

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Lol, y'all got it man. I'm not trying to be a debbie downer. I thought this was gonna be the one to replaced my HT2050. But it comes up short for my wants. The Epson 4000 is looking like a better buy. Looking forward to your 5050UB/HT3550/HT5500 comparison.
If you look at Kraine's results he shows Vivid TV at 905 lumens and Cinema at 991 lumens... and that just doesn't seem likely.

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IDK. I get what you're saying. But with all the hype, I'm disappointed in the numbers. The high input lag, they low lumen output, the barely better contrast with a iris. Its not gonna cut it for videogames and sports viewing imo. After the first 500 hours, I'm sure buyers are gonna be clamoring for more brightness, especially ones with bigger screens. DLPs need lasers to truly take that next step. With ViewSonic selling a 1080p laser for $1400 and BenQ selling one for $1500, it's time.
I think we will see more advancement in LED than we will in laser at this price range in years to come. It is hard to get really good color with laser and filters have to be engaged to produce an acceptable light source to work with. That is why you will see many laser projectors that claim high linen output in their brightest modes but when decent color measurements are done they are typically in the 1,500 to 2,000 lumen range. Nothing to sneeze at but LED has come a long way and has a way to go yet to make bright/affordable/efficient/long lasting projectors.

Re: Kraine’s review... We have discussed at length that Native contrast improved, but the real winner was the contrast that the Iris brought to the table. In Kraine’s production unit and my sample unit, no Iris pumping was noted and it still measured close to 3,000:1 contrast. I leave my Iris on at all times as it does not detract from the image at all. It feels native. And I’m not complaining that even with it off, the native contrast improved 43% compared to last years model. With the Iris on it improves by 300+% with no adverse artifacts on screen (on my unit at least).

To be fair, the target audience for this projector is for those with home theaters. Last year BenQ ran a campaign for their HT2550 and TK800, “4K or 4K?” HT2550 was for dark room home theaters. TK800 for sports and living rooms. It will be similar this year. I haven’t been shy about recommending people wait if they are competing against a ton of ambient light in their setups.

My bottom line on this projector was that:
- it isn’t the best gaming projector in the world
-does a respectable job handling SDR shedding last year’s entry level blacks and removal of light border.
-3D is good
-more than anything, this projector does the very best that I’ve personally seen with 4K HDR content.
-The iris and auto tone mapping create the brightest HDR image I’ve ever seen on a projector. WAAY brighter than an HDR image on the 3,000lm TK800M I am reviewing right now.

Kraine seems to echo that HDR sentiment and is why he gave it a gold star (sounds like when I was in 1st grade.... a gold star! Ha)

His input measurements were also 30ms greater than BenQ’s estimate and 15-20ms greater than @sage11x . I wonder if some setting was off.

If 4K HDR is your jam then you have some choices and there are tradeoffs with each choice. Epson 4000 are down to this price but the reason you get an Epson is because of blacks and that model not only lacks an 18gbps chip but is a 4M pixel projector and blacks are standard fare. For $300 more Epson 4010 is much more interesting image quality-wise and input lag is decent but loses marks for the 10gbps chip and being 4M pixel. None of last year’s .47” DLPs with the border deserve to be in this conversation. Epson 5040 is also interesting if you can find a refurb. Good picture quality, input lag, and blacks but power supply issues, 10gbps chip and 4M pixels.


.... so there are trade offs. The tradeoff with the HT3550 is 60ms I put lag. I’ve games with the HT3550 and it’s not the worst thing in the world FOR ME because I’m a casual gamer. And I think the brightness is plenty bright for my 160” screen. Kraine mentions that despite the measurements, he never felt the image was to dim.

This might not be the projector for EVERYONE but the ambient light situation and hardcore gamer aside, my opinion is I just don’t think $1,500 buys a better projector in today’s market.

By the way if you want Epson blacks/brightness with the same 18gbps that the HT2550 had last year, that’ll be $2,999 for the 5050UB. I bought one to test. Ouch. I will be doing a shootout with the 5050UB, HT3550, and HT5550 in the coming weeks so hopefully I will be able to provide more objective comparisons and data for you. I will also be investing more of my personal money and training into measuring equipment. I like to provide a real world take on thing for y’all but I think it helps to have data back that up.
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Lol, y'all got it man. I'm not trying to be a debbie downer. I thought this was gonna be the one to replaced my HT2050. But it comes up short for my wants. The Epson 4000 is looking like a better buy. Looking forward to your 5050UB/HT3550/HT5500 comparison.


I have owned the Epson 4000.

Better than HT3550: Placement. Touch brighter when watching SDR content. Better input lag.

With 3550 iris, blacks don’t go one way or other.

Worse than HT3550: Iris implementation. Meh HDR implementation. 10gbps HDMI can’t do 4KHDR at 60fps. 8M pixels vs 4M pixels. Not as much detail. Some won’t like how big it is (don’t say it)

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I've been trying to find this info but as usual there's tons of posts all over the place and digging through it all is a serious PITA.



What more or less can you expect in the HT5550 over the 3550?



Looks like HT5550 has 200 less lumens.



Better zooming and throw range.



100,000 for the 5550 vs 30,000 contrast ratio in the 3550.



A slightly better lens as well?



HT 3550 appears to be little quieter fan wise. According to projector central. And has about double the lag?



This is what I dug up from the PC site plus IIRC what I've read online about both.


Testing this weekend. I will have a first impressions post soon.
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If you look at Kraine's results he shows Vivid TV at 905 lumens and Cinema at 991 lumens... and that just doesn't seem likely.



I suspect there's some transcription errors somewhere.


I think @sage11x is right and there was some measurement or calibration that was off. I would wait for Art’s review on ProjectorReviews.com and ProjectorCentral.com and see what they find.

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Testing this weekend. I will have a first impressions post soon.

Can't wait for your impressions between the HT5550 and the HC5050. Will be deciding between these two to replace a Sony HW30es.
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I've been trying to find this info but as usual there's tons of posts all over the place and digging through it all is a serious PITA.



What more or less can you expect in the HT5550 over the 3550?



Looks like HT5550 has 200 less lumens.



Better zooming and throw range.



100,000 for the 5550 vs 30,000 contrast ratio in the 3550.



A slightly better lens as well?



HT 3550 appears to be little quieter fan wise. According to projector central. And has about double the lag?



This is what I dug up from the PC site plus IIRC what I've read online about both.


Also see my write up from some hands on time I had last week.

BenQ W5700 / HT5550 4K 100% DCI-P3 Projector Announcement and Owner’s Thread
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...6&share_type=t
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Thanks Scotty for digging up your link!

Incredibly useful info and I think for now I'm just gonna sit tight and probably hold out for the 5550.
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Woohoo!!! Pj is on its way, priority overnight from Cali to Nj with delivery by 10:30am!!
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Woohoo!!! Pj is on its way, priority overnight from Cali to Nj with delivery by 10:30am!!
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Don’t jinx it!

I can picture it now.. 9:45am... “shipper is requesting shipment be returned AGAIN!!!!!”

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