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Yes. Mentioned the extended range in the 5550 thread. But on the short side, that little further is quite significant at 2ft. It's like mfg's just assume that people with smaller rooms don't want a premium product. And as I'm finding out with the 2050a, it's like a whiney 2 stroke compared to my v12 jvc from a noise factor.

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I just got an email from B&H Photo that said the HT3550 is ready for preorder. Their website says expected available early May. I'll keep my preorder at Amazon, even though it was just pushed back a little further. I guess they will trickle in to early buyers in April and ramp up deliveries in May.
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The HT3550 will have a pretty similar throw and offset to the UHd51A. And like the Optoma it cannot be shelf mounted. To get a shelf mounted projector you’d need to look at a larger, more expensive model like the Epson 4010 or BenQ HT5550.

Hi Sage,
Can you elaborate a bit more on why HT3550 cannot be shelf mounted?
I am planning to get this as my first projector and place it on a high table behind my MLP.
Will that work?

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Received mine from BenQ direct this morning. Also "received" a nice stomach virus last night. Laying on the couch staring a hole through that box.


Ugh. I can relate. Had been fighting a cold, started feeling better, flew to New York and caught it all over again. Take care of yourself— the projector will still be there! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
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noodle soup down and set this thing up.

Wow! Coming from an ~10 year old Epson Powerlite 1080 Home Cinema I'm completely blown away! I didn't get a chance to try out 4k/HDR either. 1080p Blu Ray rips and DirecTV Now looked great though. I'll get the Xbox setup tonight for some glorious 4k/HDR.

My Epson had a much longer throw distance so my next step is moving from a 106" screen to 120-125".
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I placed this order back in Feb when the price on Amazon was still showing $19xx. After chatting and calling Amazon still refused to fix the price, even though it hasn't even shipped yet. The rep on the phone actually told me it was too far along in the order process to cancel. I explained it isn't supposed to ship for a month and I have the option to cancel from my order page. He actually said I should refuse delivery and re-order it. I said I don't want to lose my place in line but he didn't even seem to understand. Ridiculous they would rather eat the cost of shipping it both ways and piss off a long time customer then just change a number on a screen.



So I was forced to cancel it and re-order. I would have went somewhere else but I need to use my Amazon card for this purchase. Hopefully when these are ready to go out there are enough in the first batch that I still get mine.



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When the date changed I reordered at new price also. Crazy to fight over and over for price adjustment.

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It's less about the individual display input lag number and more about the input lag STACK.
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Going back and attempting to play Super Mario Bros. 3 on my NES classic is always an eye opener to just how much lag I've been trained to accept.
Nailed it.

I just tried this and couldn't believe it. I have an HT2550 and have gotten used to the lag. I don't think that I'm going to be able to crush it in Sekiro if I upgrade to the HT3550. It looks like there's roughly a 20ms increase if you carefully reduce image enhancements.
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Nailed it.



I just tried this and couldn't believe it. I have an HT2550 and have gotten used to the lag. I don't think that I'm going to be able to crush it in Sekiro if I upgrade to the HT3550. It looks like there's roughly a 20ms increase if you carefully reduce image enhancements.


Ht2550 is 53ms and I measured HT3550 at 58ms fwiw

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Is there any particular movie/show/scene etc that anyone wants me to check out?
If I have it, I'd be glad to.
Please check "PASSENGERS" ,

1. The start space scene (For black level and details) Better to shot over your frame so we could tell the difference between real back & scene black

2. the Bar Robot with both main characters scene (For HDR Red/ skin tone not over saturation)

3. Something green, as to see the WCG advantages.

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@Willy212 , what was your source for those shots, 4k BD or streaming? If streaming, which service and which player? The Blacklist is one of our favorite broadcast network shows.

BTW, I checked B&H Photo this afternoon (I check it two or three times a day). For almost two weeks, it's been unavailable for order and simply "notify me when in stock" or something like that. Today, it switched to preorder, so I put in my preorder.
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Nailed it.



I just tried this and couldn't believe it. I have an HT2550 and have gotten used to the lag. I don't think that I'm going to be able to crush it in Sekiro if I upgrade to the HT3550. It looks like there's roughly a 20ms increase if you carefully reduce image enhancements.


Ht2550 is 53ms and I measured HT3550 at 58ms fwiw

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@Willy212 , what was your source for those shots, 4k BD or streaming? If streaming, which service and which player? The Blacklist is one of our favorite broadcast network shows.

BTW, I checked B&H Photo this afternoon (I check it two or three times a day). For almost two weeks, it's been unavailable for order and simply "notify me when in stock" or something like that. Today, it switched to preorder, so I put in my preorder.
Streaming, fire tv 4k on netflix hdr.

Mostly use fire tv or Desktop .

But yeah it looks awesome.
tweaking the settings abit like i was told does make it look better , "for me"
But the fan noise @!#[email protected][email protected] , I should probably build a box around the projector.
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Ht2550 is 53ms and I measured HT3550 at 58ms fwiw


I’ve actually measured the HT2550 lower:



Scott, what settings did you use to measure the HT3550 at 58ms and have you been able to recreate it?
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I’ve actually measured the HT2550 lower:



Scott, what settings did you use to measure the HT3550 at 58ms and have you been able to recreate it?


All image enhancements off. Sharpness to zero. Cinema mode. Iris off. Normal lamp. HDR set to off. 3D set to off. the last two are what took it from 63 to 58 for me.

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Ok fellas, here's a couple quick shots I took. I feel like my phone camera really doesn't show how nice it looks.
For example, in the BR2049 shot there was more of that orange "irradiated" color than the pic shows.
Last pic of Passengers bar was with wide color off.
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Looks like Best Buy Canada is getting a shipment today or got a shipment. My order is still showing April 8th delivery and their webpage has been updated to show April 8th delivery if ordered by 1:00pm today. I’m guessing this means they’ll be preparing units today to ship tonight or tomorrow. Here’s hoping ...


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Hi Sage,
Can you elaborate a bit more on why HT3550 cannot be shelf mounted?
I am planning to get this as my first projector and place it on a high table behind my MLP.
Will that work?

If Sage doesn't mind - the essential problem with many recent DLP front projectors is that once on a desktop the bottom edge of the projected image on the other side of the room will be much higher and above ('Lens Shift' usually just enables to lower the bottom edge of the projected image to the projector lens level).


The moment you shelf mount such a projector behind your main listening position (and with your head out of the projection beam path) the bottom edge of your projected image will be above your head on the room's opposite side!

For applications such as yours the W5700 looks like the better model as it will feature a true lens shift, that will allow shelf mounting on the shelf level of your choice and liking.
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Looks like Best Buy Canada is getting a shipment today or got a shipment. My order is still showing April 8th delivery and their webpage has been updated to show April 8th delivery if ordered by 1:00pm today. I’m guessing this means they’ll be preparing units today to ship tonight or tomorrow. Here’s hoping ...





https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...13387428.aspx?


It would be great to receive an early delivery on Friday.


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If Sage doesn't mind - the essential problem with many recent DLP front projectors is that once on a desktop the bottom edge of the projected image on the other side of the room will be much higher and above ('Lens Shift' usually just enables to lower the bottom edge of the projected image to the projector lens level).


The moment you shelf mount such a projector behind your main listening position (and with your head out of the projection beam path) the bottom edge of your projected image will be above your head on the room's opposite side!

For applications such as yours the W5700 looks like the better model as it will feature a true lens shift, that will allow shelf mounting on the shelf level of your choice and liking.

Thanks mate!
Got it now.
I read somewhere in this thread that W5700 has a longer throw (around 2’) than W2700.

I can only have a max of 9’ to 9.5’ projection distance on a 100’ screen. Does the W5700 fit that?



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So reading the above posts regarding 'Shelf Mount' brings me to my own question.

Below is my seating. Behind the couch you can see a tall shelf on top of which is my current Epson 5010, which projects on a wall right in front of the couch.

The Screen is exactly 150" diagonal, and that Epson 5010 is sitting exactly 15.1' from the screen. You can see the floor in that photo, and the screen is about 2 feet above the floor, just to give an idea of how low the screen goes.

The Epson clears our heads completely and reaches the bottom border of the screen with no issues.

Is the BenQ HT3550 going to work sitting exactly where the Epson 5010 is?
Will the distance from screen provide enough room for 150" and will the light output be sufficient for UHD HDR?

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Thanks mate!
Got it now.
I read somewhere in this thread that W5700 has a longer throw (around 2’) than W2700.

I can only have a max of 9’ to 9.5’ projection distance on a 100’ screen. Does the W5700 fit that?
You read correctly; that model has a longer throw. You can always find info about throw distances at
https://www.projectorcentral.com/pro...ulator-pro.cfm

If you are comparing the HT3550 to the W5700 you will want to know that model is also called the HT5550 when you try to find it in the drop down list.
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Thanks mate!
Got it now.
I read somewhere in this thread that W5700 has a longer throw (around 2’) than W2700.

I can only have a max of 9’ to 9.5’ projection distance on a 100’ screen. Does the W5700 fit that?



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9'11" is the minimum for 100". So you're about half a foot shy...

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Thanks mate!
Got it now.
I read somewhere in this thread that W5700 has a longer throw (around 2’) than W2700.

I can only have a max of 9’ to 9.5’ projection distance on a 100’ screen. Does the W5700 fit that?
You can calculate all of this yourself using the excellent BenQ projector calculator: http://projectorcalculator.benq.com/

Once you put in your screen size (and lock it by checking ticking the box next to the lock) you can move the projector around to see what works. You can also change the lens shift.

It's a great tool that will make it much more clear than any numbers ever will. Do make sure you pick the right projector model on that site!

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9'11" is the minimum for 100". So you're good.
If the max distance he can do is 9'6" that's not going to work?

cychua: note that all projection distance are from the FRONT of the lens. As the W5700 / HT5550 is deeper than the W2700 / HT3550 you'll have to take the extra depth (and cables coming out of the back) in to account as well!

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If the max distance he can do is 9'6" that's not going to work?



cychua: note that all projection distance are from the FRONT of the lens. As the W5700 / HT5550 is deeper than the W2700 / HT3550 you'll have to take the extra depth (and cables coming out of the back) in to account as well!
Sorry. For some reason I had 10' something in my head. Too much multitasking while replying.

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Ok fellas, here's a couple quick shots I took.

What is different between the two pics of the bar?
In comparison the first one looks washed out. But the last one has over saturated colors. One of them definitely have wrong settings.

Are they both hdr? Are you using the filter?
How did you turn off wide color?

Also would it be possible to get an sdr only pic of this scene? make sure the projector settings for hdr/sdr matches the input.



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So reading the above posts regarding 'Shelf Mount' brings me to my own question.

Below is my seating. Behind the couch you can see a tall shelf on top of which is my current Epson 5010, which projects on a wall right in front of the couch.

The Screen is exactly 150" diagonal, and that Epson 5010 is sitting exactly 15.1' from the screen. You can see the floor in that photo, and the screen is about 2 feet above the floor, just to give an idea of how low the screen goes.

The Epson clears our heads completely and reaches the bottom border of the screen with no issues.

Is the BenQ HT3550 going to work sitting exactly where the Epson 5010 is?
Will the distance from screen provide enough room for 150" and will the light output be sufficient for UHD HDR?

Thanks!!

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That won't work with a HT3550 (or my W1070) and you'd have to ceiling mount it.
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Hm... when you say HDR and 3D off are you referring to a specific setting? The Bodnar outputs regular old 1080p SDR and it doesn't output 3D.

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What is different between the two pics of the bar?
In comparison the first one looks washed out. But the last one has over saturated colors. One of them definitely have wrong settings.

Are they both hdr? Are you using the filter?
How did you turn off wide color?

Also would it be possible to get an sdr only pic of this scene? make sure the projector settings for hdr/sdr matches the input.



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First, to be honest my phone just didn't capture how these looked in person.
They all looked way better than it shows.
Both are hdr. The first shot is with the filter on, second with it off.
You just go in the advanced pic settings and switch it on or off. Same menu you can turn iris and brilliant color on or off etc.
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First, to be honest my phone just didn't capture how these looked in person.
They all looked way better than it shows.
Both are hdr. The first shot is with the filter on, second with it off.
You just go in the advanced pic settings and switch it on or off. Same menu you can turn iris and brilliant color on or off etc.


I am not commenting on the image quality. But just comparing them against each other.

Don't you agre the second one though it doesn't use the filter have more color in it? Is there a difference between brilliant color settings or anything else?


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That won't work with a HT3550 (or my W1070) and you'd have to ceiling mount it.
Crap!! I'm glad I checked this.

I'm not a ceiling mount person; not about to go up there and start doing the holes & stuff, and I have a slanted/tilted ceiling. Either way, I need a shelf-mount solution like the one I have.

I think I need to look at other offerings. Either JVC X790r or wait & see if Epson brings the TW9400 here.

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