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I am hoping today will be the day that my replacement projector ships out so it might get here in time to use this weekend. I'm very anxious to compare the production model with the early model I received to see if its any different. I haven't heard any complaints about the iris from people that have received their production units so maybe there was already some improvements there vs what I saw on mine. I've been holding off my comments waiting to get the new one because whatever I say may not even be accurate for the production model. Apparently replacements have to come from their service center instead of their normal warehouse and they seem to be taking a long time to make that transfer. It was quicker to go from their factory in China to the US than it is to get across town to the service center from their normal warehouse. Oh well, at least I got to use the first one a few extra weeks before most folks lol.
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OK, having said that, there is another way... but it will depend on your screen height and location.

You can increase the height of your shelf unit, by adding another shelf (say an 18in high bookcase or similar) and then hang the HT3550 inverted under the top shelf via a ceiling mount.


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As an aside, when I do ceiling mounts on drywalled ceilings, I start by finding the joists with a stud finder, then I attach a piece of 1/2in, or thicker, pine shelving (or plywood) across the joists and then hang my ceiling mount from that via 1/2in wood screws. This is allows for flexible placement of the ceiling mount and creates the fewest actual holes in the drywall. The pine shelving or plywood strip can be painted to match the ceiling.

The ceiling mount will tilt and swivel to level the PJ regardless of ceiling slope.
Yeah, unfortunately, that's way too much work. We might be moving this year as well, which may change the placement dynamic. Need easy & flexible placement, like I had with my Epson 5010. We must have changed 5 places with that Projector. I just need something I can plop where the Epson is right now. I didn't realize the placement restrictions.

HT3550 looks like a great projector at an awesome price, but I just don't think it's the right fit for me with the placement restrictions.

I'm getting a good deal on JVC X790r (RS540U). It's not 8.3m pixels like BenQ, but it's a good fit for me, especially with motorized lens functions.

Thanks for your help!
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Yeah, unfortunately, that's way too much work. We might be moving this year as well, which may change the placement dynamic. Need easy & flexible placement, like I had with my Epson 5010. We must have changed 5 places with that Projector. I just need something I can plop where the Epson is right now. I didn't realize the placement restrictions.



HT3550 looks like a great projector at an awesome price, but I just don't think it's the right fit for me with the placement restrictions.



I'm getting a good deal on JVC X790r (RS540U). It's not 8.3m pixels like BenQ, but it's a good fit for me, especially with motorized lens functions.



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BenQ W2700 / HT3550 Announcement and Owner’s Thread

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What are your thoughts about black levels and contrast? I read on the internet that DLPs have "abysmal" black levels. I'm hoping the black levels are at least the equal and hopefully better than my Epson 8350. I would love to see a good pic that realistically displays the letterbox bars on a 2:35/1 movie.


So I actually did some research.

Your 8350 was measured at 786:1 peak contrast by S&V. I feel confident in saying that the HT3550 would represent a significant improvement.

As for the comments you’ve been reading— they’re hyperbole and, further, I would argue that the member that made those comments has failed to lend any context. Just an FYI, that same member would likely deride your 8350 as well.

In the projector market, contrast costs money. The more you spend the better you can reasonably expect that contrast performance to be. If you’re looking at the whole of the projector market as sort of a line from the most affordable right up to ungodly expensive, you’ll see that contrast more or less improves as you move up the price scale. If we then populate that line with the types of projector tech being used you’ll generally see LCOS technologies (Sony and JVC) at the top with high contrast and high prices while DLP (BenQ, Optima, Viewsonic, etc.) and 3LCD (Epson) will generally be at the other end with lower prices and lower contrast.

DLP does not have abysmal contrast/blacks. In fact, at the lower price points DLP traditionally outperforms competing 3LCD (Epson) projectors. However, Epson’s 3LCD does scale more with each stop as you move up their lineup producing better contrast than the last. At the top you’ll find their UB or “Ultra Black” projectors like the 5040UB and soon-to-be-released 5050UB. These models will have much better contrast and blacks than your typical DLP. But again, to be FAIR, these models also retail at prices where you start to see the number of DLP options get significantly thinner. Typically the DLPs that you find above $2000 are the lower volume pro models like the UHD65 and upcoming HT5550 as well as laser and ColorSpark models that are themselves high value projectors due to their light sources.

So when you talk about DLP contrast and black levels you really need to have some context of where it fits within the greater projector market and what it competes with. To complicate matters a bit is the fact that the move to 4K has not helped matters in this area. The first generation of affordable 4K DLPs had visibly lower contrast than their 1080p predecessors. The HT3550 is very exciting because it’s the first 4K DLP at this price that doesn’t and, in fact, offers better dynamic contrast than any DLP I’ve seen below $2000. Again, to be FAIR, this isn’t a problem that is limited to DLP. The recent release of native 4K projectors from Sony and JVC have seen them take a step back in contrast/blacks as well. Currently, Epson fields no 4K projectors but only 4K ‘enhanced’ models so we’ll have to wait and see how their tech responds.

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Well Amazon just moved me from the 5th to the 21st... Just wanted to whine.

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So I actually did some research.

Your 8350 was measured at 786:1 peak contrast by S&V. I feel confident in saying that the HT3550 would represent a significant improvement.

As for the comments you’ve been reading— they’re hyperbole and, further, I would argue that the member that made those comments has failed to lend any context. Just an FYI, that same member would likely deride your 8350 as well.

In the projector market, contrast costs money. The more you spend the better you can reasonably expect that contrast performance to be. If you’re looking at the whole of the projector market as sort of a line from the most affordable right up to ungodly expensive, you’ll see that contrast more or less improves as you move up the price scale. If we then populate that line with the types of projector tech being used you’ll generally see LCOS technologies (Sony and JVC) at the top with high contrast and high prices while DLP (BenQ, Optima, Viewsonic, etc.) and 3LCD (Epson) will generally be at the other end with lower prices and lower contrast.

DLP does not have abysmal contrast/blacks. In fact, at the lower price points DLP traditionally outperforms competing 3LCD (Epson) projectors. However, Epson’s 3LCD does scale more with each stop as you move up their lineup producing better contrast than the last. At the top you’ll find their UB or “Ultra Black” projectors like the 5040UB and soon-to-be-released 5050UB. These models will have much better contrast and blacks than your typical DLP. But again, to be FAIR, these models also retail at prices where you start to see the number of DLP options get significantly thinner. Typically the DLPs that you find above $2000 are the lower volume pro models like the UHD65 and upcoming HT5550 as well as laser and ColorSpark models that are themselves high value projectors due to their light sources.

So when you talk about DLP contrast and black levels you really need to have some context of where it fits within the greater projector market and what it competes with. To complicate matters a bit is the fact that the move to 4K has not helped matters in this area. The first generation of affordable 4K DLPs had visibly lower contrast than their 1080p predecessors. The HT3550 is very exciting because it’s the first 4K DLP at this price that doesn’t and, in fact, offers better dynamic contrast than any DLP I’ve seen below $2000. Again, to be FAIR, this isn’t a problem that is limited to DLP. The recent release of native 4K projectors from Sony and JVC have seen them take a step back in contrast/blacks as well. Currently, Epson fields no 4K projectors but only 4K ‘enhanced’ models so we’ll have to wait and see how their tech responds.
Thanks Sage, for the thorough and great response. Your first line regarding the contrast makes me feel confident I'll be happy with the HT3550. I had compared contrast specs between the two projectors with what's available on Projector Central, and they seemed to be a pretty close match, taken with a huge grain of salt knowing that manufacturers contrast specs are all over the place.

Context is everything, and I like how you qualify your findings within context. Personally, I always look for that product that hits many high points and makes for a "best buy" within its competitors, and the HT3550 seems to have hit the nail on the head with performance and price. I could afford a much higher priced projector, but this hits the sweet spot for that balance that I always look for. I'm really looking forward to getting this.
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BenQ W2700 / HT3550 Announcement and Owner’s Thread

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What are your thoughts about black levels and contrast? I read on the internet that DLPs have "abysmal" black levels. I'm hoping the black levels are at least the equal and hopefully better than my Epson 8350. I would love to see a good pic that realistically displays the letterbox bars on a 2:35/1 movie.


I try to avoid subjective words like “abysmal”. So I’ll break it down the best I can here. There are three main types of projector technology LCD, DLP and LCoS. LCD and DLP are very close in contrast performance. Generally dollar for dollar DLP has better contrast until you get into the top tier $2,000 plus “Ultra Black” Epson projectors where Epson takes the advantage. Then when you get into LCoS, It’s another step up in both price and contrast performance. It’s hard to quantify just how much of a step up, because contrast isn’t 1:1. The higher you go up in contrast the less noticeable it becomes.

Most importantly I’ll answer your guestion regarding the Epson 8350. This has 786:1 Native contrast according to Sound & Vision.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-labs-measures

The HT3550 has been measured at 827:1 native contrast according to Passion Home Cinema

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/


Not to mention the HT3550 has many advantages beyond a slight bump in contrast.

The 8350 was very well received when it came out about 10 years ago. That’s why subjective words are misleading and shouldn’t be taken seriously, especially on a science forum. Sure undisputedly DLP has relatively low contrast compared to more expensive projectors. However, Front projection has been enjoyed for over a 100 years. And pretty much any projector today has high contrast relative to projectors of the past, even only as far back as 10 years ago.
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Just a general installation reminder addressed to any noobs hanging a projector for the first time. Since the 3550 has user upgradeable firmware via USB make sure you either, 1) leave adequate space behind the projector to insert/remove a thumb drive into the rear USB port or, 2) Choose a quick disconnect mount to lower down the projector to access the USB port. In my case my current mount is fairly tight to to a bulkhead and while not a problem for power/HDMI cables there's no room for USB access, so the mount is moving. You also don't want to be forcing a thumb drive in and out of the unit and then mis-align your projector to the screen.
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Just a general installation reminder addressed to any noobs hanging a projector for the first time. Since the 3550 has user upgradeable firmware via USB make sure you either, 1) leave adequate space behind the projector to insert/remove a thumb drive into the rear USB port or, 2) Choose a quick disconnect mount to lower down the projector to access the USB port. In my case my current mount is fairly tight to to a bulkhead and while not a problem for power/HDMI cables there's no room for USB access, so the mount is moving. You also don't want to be forcing a thumb drive in and out of the unit and then mis-align your projector to the screen.
Nice reminder. I have mine very close to where my ceiling drops down to get my 120" image. If I looked at the calculator correctly, I think I can get 120" image just a LITTLE closer to the screen than my HT2050a. Just not sure I want to go through the trouble of re-mounting it. HOwever, if the HT3550 isn't the same distance to the lens (horizontally) as the HT2050a, I may have to remount anyway. Right now, I have 90 degree angle connectors for my HDMI and Power. Wondering if they make something like that for USB too. Hoping that a good 18G HDMI cable will still work with HDR using the 90 degree HDMI connector. That alone may force me to move my PJ up a bit.

I guess I better check the calculator again to see
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Could also get an angled short usb-A male to USB-A female cable and keep it attached.

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Nice reminder. I have mine very close to where my ceiling drops down to get my 120" image. If I looked at the calculator correctly, I think I can get 120" image just a LITTLE closer to the screen than my HT2050a. Just not sure I want to go through the trouble of re-mounting it. HOwever, if the HT3550 isn't the same distance to the lens (horizontally) as the HT2050a, I may have to remount anyway. Right now, I have 90 degree angle connectors for my HDMI and Power. Wondering if they make something like that for USB too. Hoping that a good 18G HDMI cable will still work with HDR using the 90 degree HDMI connector. That alone may force me to move my PJ up a bit.

I guess I better check the calculator again to see
You can buy 90 degree adapters as an option.
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The HT3550 has been measured at 827:1 native contrast according to Passion Home Cinema

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/
Searched for 827 on that page but not finding anything?

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BTW, Benq Direct has the 3550 back in stock with the same 4/12 ship date if you missed ordering yesterday.
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Does anyone know what the cancellation policy is a the BenQ store. Can you just cancel anytime before shipment like at Amazon?
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Searched for 827 on that page but not finding anything?
It’s embedded in a jpeg graphic, not text. Scroll down to the section on luminosite / contraste. In the chart, the value for D Cinema is 827:1

Here’s a direct link to the jpeg

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Here's a couple shots of Forza Horizon 4 and Far Cry 5 on the Xbox one x. Unreal. Loving this pj
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Thank you for the pictures! Did you notice any input lag while playing those games?

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Not really maybe a touch on Black Ops 4. Still did ok despite that and having a few brewskies
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Hi! I'm thinking of ordering the HT3550.

I'll be using an AT screen (not sure which). The room will be used for movies (pretty much 90%), and some TV.

I'll be painting dark walls/ceiling, but not velvet or anything like that.

What are you thoughts on AT screens for this PJ? I don't want any moire... or hot spotting.

Just all around a decent experience with the PJ.

I checked out Semour AV (UF) and Dragon Fly Ultra Acoustic, but they're around 2/3 the price of the PJ.

I'm currently looking at a Silver Ticket WAB (100"). Trying to keep costs down, but I like the idea of a 4K PJ w/ some good color.
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Sounds good 🙂 I appreciate that you added beer to the measurement since that's the way most people will play. I know I will. Can't wait!
Btw, which settings do you use for gaming?
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BTW, Benq Direct has the 3550 back in stock with the same 4/12 ship date if you missed ordering yesterday.
They have changed the order page, all new orders actually show an estimate on shipping, mine is so old, it doesn't do that. Anyway, 4/12 appears to be the new guidance from BenQ.
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They have changed the order page, all new orders actually show an estimate on shipping, mine is so old, it doesn't do that. Anyway, 4/12 appears to be the new guidance from BenQ.


It would be helpful if BenQ was proactive about communicating this with their client base. Hoping for the 12th or sooner I suppose. Either way, thank you for an update. :-)


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Just a general installation reminder addressed to any noobs hanging a projector for the first time. Since the 3550 has user upgradeable firmware via USB make sure you either, 1) leave adequate space behind the projector to insert/remove a thumb drive into the rear USB port or, 2) Choose a quick disconnect mount to lower down the projector to access the USB port. In my case my current mount is fairly tight to to a bulkhead and while not a problem for power/HDMI cables there's no room for USB access, so the mount is moving. You also don't want to be forcing a thumb drive in and out of the unit and then mis-align your projector to the screen.
Another suggestion is to purchase a USB extension cable, plug that in and run the female end out of the way to a convenient location. I just use my Xbox One S to play media files in my theater, but this has been a godsend in my living room with the flat panel TV on a low profile mount. Instead of having shimmy my arm 2 feet behind the panel to insert a USB drive into a port I cannot see (seriously who designed that lol?), I have a USB port adhered to the very edge of the bezel that is easily accessible.
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So I got my 3550 in a few hours ago. I have it all hooked up and set up and all that. But I seem to be stuck in 2160p 60hz? At least that's what it says when I hit the info button with my remote.

Reading the user manual it appears the only way to enable 4k is to make sure the silence setting is off which it is for me.

I've tried playing 4k material via my new Sony 4k player, my Amazon Fire. I went into all those devices to make sure I have them on either Auto for display resolution or set it to 4k. I also did the same for my Marantz AVR. I dont have any 4k discs to try. I'm positive my hdmi cables are all good. I bought em all a few months ago.

I am running a 40 foot long hdmi cable from my avr to the 3550, but that should be fine as it's fiber and I spent like 180 on it and the reviews for it all say they can display 4k fine etc.

Is there another setting I'm missing on the 3550?

Any help would be great thank you.
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Another suggestion is to purchase a USB extension cable, plug that in and run the female end out of the way to a convenient location. I just use my Xbox One S to play media files in my theater, but this has been a godsend in my living room with the flat panel TV on a low profile mount. Instead of having shimmy my arm 2 feet behind the panel to insert a USB drive into a port I cannot see (seriously who designed that lol?), I have a USB port adhered to the very edge of the bezel that is easily accessible.
Good idea. I think this may be the optimal solution. With the extension in place inserting/removing the thumb drive shouldn’t effect the projector position. I forgot that I had used these short extensions on wall mounted 4K monitors in our conference rooms at work. I picked them up at BB and coiled them so they didn’t extend beyond the bottom of the monitor. The USB extension cable is definitely the way to go. Thanks.
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So I got my 3550 in a few hours ago. I have it all hooked up and set up and all that. But I seem to be stuck in 2160p 60hz? At least that's what it says when I hit the info button with my remote.

Reading the user manual it appears the only way to enable 4k is to make sure the silence setting is off which it is for me.

I've tried playing 4k material via my new Sony 4k player, my Amazon Fire. I went into all those devices to make sure I have them on either Auto for display resolution or set it to 4k. I also did the same for my Marantz AVR. I dont have any 4k discs to try. I'm positive my hdmi cables are all good. I bought em all a few months ago.

I am running a 40 foot long hdmi cable from my avr to the 3550, but that should be fine as it's fiber and I spent like 180 on it and the reviews for it all say they can display 4k fine etc.

Is there another setting I'm missing on the 3550?

Any help would be great thank you.
2160P is 4K = UHD

1080P = HD.
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