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scottyroo 11-01-2018 09:19 PM

BenQ W2700 / HT3550 Announcement and Owner’s Thread
 
Same throw as the widely popular W1070. Dynamic Iris. HLG. First 4x 4K shifter with no more gray pond of mirror border. LENS SHIFT. 2000 Lumens. RGBRGB color wheel with 100% Rec709. 3D.

Looks good on paper. The first no-compromise budget 4K projector?


https://www.benq.com/en/projector/ci...ema/w2700.html

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unretarded 11-01-2018 09:23 PM

If it performs and how much will be the question...….the choices are getting better and better...glad I decided on a new bulb for my 2050 and skipped the 2550 for now.


Although the 2550 is below 1k now in most places pretty regularly....at that price one can overlook the flaws.

subacabra 11-01-2018 09:47 PM

Oooh sweet! This may just be the ticket to replacing my trusty ht2050. Wonder what it will go for and when it'll be out!

Jim McC 11-02-2018 12:32 AM

The link doesn't work

chhanthony 11-02-2018 01:08 AM

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unretarded 11-02-2018 01:27 AM

....also supports 3D !

JRock3x8 11-02-2018 04:58 AM

mods please combine these two threads. bix26 was first I believe.

Anyways.

I think I am to blame for the link no longer working. I reached out to BenQ on facebook and twitter yesterday and clearly that page wasn't supposed to go up.

Also, I think you're all getting ahead of yourselves with "no compromise" - this is the exact same PJ as the HT2550 with a shorter throw IMO. I get it that their website dressed it up and made it look like something special but that's marketing. At the end of the day, the core technology is the same 0.47 chip that is in all of these other 4k budget PJ's and it's a bulb DLP PJ which means there are limits on what it can and can't do.

We will see but I remain convinced this is just a throw change to the HT2550. Which means if it's priced at more than the Optoma UHD51a, they've made a huge mistake.

For me, this is it. This is the one. I simply take down my W1070, put this up and I don't have to think about anything else. I've already made sure everything else is good. The cable is 18GBps, the receiver is HDCP compliant, the source is the XBone - it's go time.

Ballis 11-02-2018 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57050754)
the source is the XBone - it's go time.

Beware of poor latency with most/all of these xpr projectors. They arent very gaming friendly.

Dave in Green 11-02-2018 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57050754)
... this is the exact same PJ as the HT2550 with a shorter throw IMO. ...

That is far from the only difference. The dynamic iris alone is a significant difference. Actual performance differences will be determined from independent testing.

JRock3x8 11-02-2018 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57052288)
That is far from the only difference. The dynamic iris alone is a significant difference. Actual performance differences will be determined from independent testing.



I don’t understand “dynamic iris”. Can I get the explanation you would give to a five year old?


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Daniel Chaves 11-02-2018 10:23 AM

Is there any 4k HDR projector that has the same throw as the w1500? I need 135inch size screen from 10' 6" and so far the only options in the 4k world is Ultra Short Throw and that is really expensive... Does this projector have that capability?

Dave in Green 11-02-2018 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57052366)
I don’t understand “dynamic iris”. Can I get the explanation you would give to a five year old?

Projectorcentral.com has a simple description:

Quote:

A dynamic iris is a device built into some projectors that sits between the lamp and the lens. Many times per second, the projector evaluates the overall brightness of the image being projected and then opens or closes the iris to allow more or less light through.

JRock3x8 11-02-2018 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves (Post 57052388)
Is there any 4k HDR projector that has the same throw as the w1500? I need 135inch size screen from 10' 6" and so far the only options in the 4k world is Ultra Short Throw and that is really expensive... Does this projector have that capability?



W1500 : Throw Ratio:
1.07:1 - 1.71:1 (D:W)

W2700 : 1.13-1.47

Close.


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JRock3x8 11-02-2018 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57052424)
Projectorcentral.com has a simple description:



What are PJs with dynamic iris going for?


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scottyroo 11-02-2018 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ballis (Post 57051800)
Beware of poor latency with most/all of these xpr projectors. They arent very gaming friendly.

51ms isn't terrible on the HT2550. I enjoy playing my XBox One on my HT2550

scottyroo 11-02-2018 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57051362)
I agree, if they had made the ht2550 more like this I think they would have totally owned the sub $2,000 projector market. Just like the HT2050 did for the sub $1,000 price range.

My contact at BenQ has shared with me some crucial info about the W2700.

First things first, some of you might remember a post I made almost a year ago about the HT2550. I feel the post from January was more or less 100% accurate in hindsight, if viewed from the lens that the Rev2 of the HT2550 is considered this W2700. Don't get me wrong, I ended up LOVING the HT2550 (W1700) and TK800 but I was still pretty vocal that it wasn't the 'silver bullet' budget 4k option.... yet. It was (is), in my opinion, the best value projector for the money that we have in the market today, but it continued to leave consumers in a young DLP 4k projector left wanting for a projector with similar fantastic color performance, but with better contrast in the sub $2,000 price range.

So lets talk more about the HT3550! On paper, I'm legit GIDDY about this projector. It seems as if BenQ has taken customer feedback and bundled it up in the new HT3550. This is a completely new projector from the ground up. I'll temper my expectations until I can get my hands on one, but I feel like this has a chance to be THE 'silver bullet' for mass 4K projector adoption. If BenQ can execute on the performance... this will be a big seller. A huge part of this is the direct upgrade path from the hugely popular W1070 and HT2050 since the lens shift, offset, and throw are the same. A wise move by BenQ since the space requirements of the HT2550 ruled itself out for some consumers with tighter spaces.

So here is what I know.... some new info, some info already confirmed by the website slip:

- The W2700 will be named HT3550 in North America (confirmed!)
- The HT3550 will be announced before CES 2019 and available in January or February of 2019 (confirmed!)
- HT3550 is being positioned as the 4K version of the current 1080p HT3050 (which is the higher end version of the HT2050)
- Confirmed features:
- 4K 8.3M pixel using a .47" TI DMD (specific TI chip yet to be confirmed)
- 100% Rec.709 Coverage
- 3D (yep!)
- MEMC/CFI (yep!)
- HLG (!!!)
- Integrated video player for USB drive playback
- User upgradable firmware (hallelujah)
- Faster, single and central processor (faster load times, also allows for user-upgradable firmware - I love this)
- 94% DCI-P3 Coverage (!!!!) - factory calibration report to be included with each unit continuing on the tradition of great out of box colors that BenQ is known for
- ISFccc certified
- DynamicBlack Active Iris (!!!!!!Woohoo!!!!!)
- 1.13~1.47:1 Throw ratio - same as W1070 and HT2050
- 10% Lens Shift
- I've also confirmed that there will be a big promotion in November and December on the HT2550. Those on very tight budget - this is the time to get in 4K projection.
- My personal thoughts are that for the tons of people who have the W1070 and HT2050 who have been holding out for better contrast/feature set, wait for the HT3550 since throw is direct replacement and the contrast is going to be a lot better on this PJ.
- Price is confirmed for the HT3550 to be higher than the current $1,399 price for the HT2550. So if you are budget minded. Might wanna pull the trigger on the HT2550 while on discount.
- Experience event is being scheduled for LA and NYC targeting W1070 and HT2050 users in Feb 19.


What gets me most excited about the HT3550 is the dynamic iris, MEMC, HLG, Lens Shift, new optical engine (better color), new processor, USB playback, and new throw ratio. Big upgrades (throw is subjective) from the HT2550.

As far as I know, this will be the first projector in the world with HLG which is going to be the new standard of delivering HDR over live broadcasts.

MEMC will be great while watching sports. The annoying lack of lens shift will be remedied on the HT3550, and it look like the color accuracy from the new optical engine will offer some improvement on already great color reporoduction from the HT2550

All told, we will have to wait and see if BenQ can deliver on this impressive spec list, but it SOOOO encouraging to see that they listened to their customers from their first attempt at 4K.

Can't wait!!!

ToddUGA 11-02-2018 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyroo (Post 57053020)
My contact at BenQ has shared with me some crucial info about the W2700.

First things first, some of you might remember a post I made almost a year ago about the HT2550. I feel the post from January was more or less 100% accurate in hindsight, if viewed from the lens that the Rev2 of the HT2550 is considered this W2700. Don't get me wrong, I ended up LOVING the HT2550 (W1700) and TK800 but I was still pretty vocal that it wasn't the 'silver bullet' budget 4k option.... yet. It was (is), in my opinion, the best value projector for the money that we have in the market today, but it continued to leave consumers in a young DLP 4k projector left wanting for a projector with similar fantastic color performance, but with better contrast in the sub $2,000 price range.

So lets talk more about the HT3550! On paper, I'm legit GIDDY about this projector. It seems as if BenQ has taken customer feedback and bundled it up in the new HT3550. This is a completely new projector from the ground up. I'll temper my expectations until I can get my hands on one, but I feel like this has a chance to be THE 'silver bullet' for mass 4K projector adoption. If BenQ can execute on the performance... this will be a big seller. A huge part of this is the direct upgrade path from the hugely popular W1070 and HT2050 since the lens shift, offset, and throw are the same. A wise move by BenQ since the space requirements of the HT2550 ruled itself out for some consumers with tighter spaces.

So here is what I know.... some new info, some info already confirmed by the website slip:

- The W2700 will be named HT3550 in North America (confirmed!)
- The HT3550 will be announced before CES 2019 and available in January or February of 2019 (confirmed!)
- HT3550 is being positioned as the 4K version of the current 1080p HT3050 (which is the higher end version of the HT2050)
- Confirmed features:
- 4K 8.3M pixel using a .47" TI DMD (specific TI chip yet to be confirmed)
- 100% Rec.709 Coverage
- 3D (yep!)
- MEMC/CFI (yep!)
- HLG (!!!)
- Integrated video player for USB drive playback
- User upgradable firmware (hallelujah)
- Faster, single and central processor (faster load times, also allows for user-upgradable firmware - I love this)
- 94% DCI-P3 Coverage (!!!!) - factory calibration report to be included with each unit continuing on the tradition of great out of box colors that BenQ is known for
- ISFccc certified
- DynamicBlack Active Iris (!!!!!!Woohoo!!!!!)
- 1.13~1.47:1 Throw ratio - same as W1070 and HT2050
- 10% Lens Shift
- I've also confirmed that there will be a big promotion in November and December on the HT2550. Those on very tight budget - this is the time to get in 4K projection.
- My personal thoughts are that for the tons of people who have the W1070 and HT2050 who have been holding out for better contrast/feature set, wait for the HT3550 since throw is direct replacement and the contrast is going to be a lot better on this PJ.
- Price is confirmed for the HT3550 to be higher than the current $1,399 price for the HT2550. So if you are budget minded. Might wanna pull the trigger on the HT2550 while on discount.
- Experience event is being scheduled for LA and NYC targeting W1070 and HT2050 users in Feb 19.


What gets me most excited about the HT3550 is the dynamic iris, MEMC, HLG, Lens Shift, new optical engine (better color), new processor, USB playback, and new throw ratio. Big upgrades (throw is subjective) from the HT2550.

As far as I know, this will be the first projector in the world with HLG which is going to be the new standard of delivering HDR over live broadcasts.

MEMC will be great while watching sports. The annoying lack of lens shift will be remedied on the HT3550, and it look like the color accuracy from the new optical engine will offer some improvement on already great color reporoduction from the HT2550

All told, we will have to wait and see if BenQ can deliver on this impressive spec list, but it SOOOO encouraging to see that they listened to their customers from their first attempt at 4K.

Can't wait!!!


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subacabra 11-02-2018 01:34 PM

Well count me in!

JRock3x8 11-02-2018 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyroo (Post 57053020)
- HT3550 is being positioned as the 4K version of the current 1080p HT3050 (which is the higher end version of the HT2050)
- Price is confirmed for the HT3550 to be higher than the current $1,399 price for the HT2550. So if you are budget minded. Might wanna pull the trigger on the HT2550 while on discount.

ok so taking these two data points together : The HT2550 is $1399 while the HT3050 carried a $200 premium over the HT2050. Seems like they could be signaling a $1,599 price for this although I think they could go up to $1,699 to match Optoma's UHD51a

BenQ's price history is rock solid on CamelCamelCamel while Optoma is usually $100 off street.

So who knows. I'm a little gun shy at those price points (I bought my 1070 at $699 plus a crap ton of points brought it down to like $550) but I think I could motivate myself enough to pull the trigger.

Dave in Green 11-02-2018 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57052444)
What are PJs with dynamic iris going for?

Dynamic iris is fairly common on 3LCD and LCoS projectors but much less common on DLP models which typically go with the less expensive and less effective dynamic lamp dimming which is baked into the TI chipset. I believe the least expensive projector on the market with dynamic iris is the Epson 1060, but it's not as sophisticated and effective as those on Epson's more expensive models. Not sure which current DLP model with a dynamic iris is the least expensive. Might be the new JVC LX-UH1.

JRock3x8 11-02-2018 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ballis (Post 57051800)
Beware of poor latency with most/all of these xpr projectors. They arent very gaming friendly.

my built in poor hand eye coordination trumps all latency arguments so I'm good there but thanks.

scottyroo 11-02-2018 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57053382)
ok so taking these two data points together : The HT2550 is $1399 while the HT3050 carried a $200 premium over the HT2050. Seems like they could be signaling a $1,599 price for this although I think they could go up to $1,699 to match Optoma's UHD51a



BenQ's price history is rock solid on CamelCamelCamel while Optoma is usually $100 off street.



So who knows. I'm a little gun shy at those price points (I bought my 1070 at $699 plus a crap ton of points brought it down to like $550) but I think I could motivate myself enough to pull the trigger.


A bit of an apples to oranges comp.

Different projectors in different markets at different launch dates relative to respective market maturity (1080p vs 4K). W1070 as a % to 1080p MSRP market baseline was very very close to what the HT3550 will be to 4K market. The W1070 won on performance for the price relative to market. HT3550 will have to do the same to win ... not just price alone.

Ballis 11-02-2018 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57053408)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ballis (Post 57051800)
Beware of poor latency with most/all of these xpr projectors. They arent very gaming friendly.

my built in poor hand eye coordination trumps all latency arguments so I'm good there but thanks.

😆😁

bix26 11-02-2018 04:13 PM

Here’s my hunch about the HT3550’s msrp. I think it will likely be sold about the same or maybe below the newest entry level Epson’s. They should be similar in performance so I imagine that the prices will be similar as well. Outside of BenQ’s advantage in sharpness and Epson’s advantage in motorized lens memory, I don’t see much difference. The BenQ’s throw difference would be an advantage to some (including myself) and a disadvantage to many others, so not really something that can command a premium price.

scottyroo 11-02-2018 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57054032)
Here’s my hunch about the HT3550’s msrp. I think it will likely be sold about the same or maybe below the newest entry level Epson’s. They should be similar in performance so I imagine that the prices will be similar as well. Outside of BenQ’s advantage in sharpness and Epson’s advantage in motorized lens memory, I don’t see much difference. The BenQ’s throw difference would be an advantage to some (including myself) and a disadvantage to many others, so not really something that can command a premium price.

My hunch is that it will definitely be below current street price of the 4000 and 4010 currently. Over the course of 2019, you will probably see a similar price/promotion trim to the HT3550 that we saw with the HT2550 - approx a 10% trim.

Having owned the Epson HC 4000, I will say that motorized lens shift and zoom is soooo - nice and convenient. But once dialed in - I never touched the motorized zoom again and ultimately, it was the performance of the image that I was left with to judge. It wasn't bad. I enjoyed the Epson. By I personally enjoyed the on-screen performance of the HT2550 more.

So my thought is that unless your use-case and mounting position REQUIRE the insane placement flexibility of the Epsons, it comes down to the performance of the image.... even though some of the bells and whistles I had with the Epson were missed.

Luckily - the offset of the HT2550 was such I didn't need any lens shift, so I can see for someone with a unique placement situation how this would be a deal breaker. Which is why I'm encouraged that the HT3550's lens shift, albeit small, is welcome to open up the TAM of the projector.

swarm87 11-02-2018 04:45 PM

hopefully they will make one like the 2150st with the low lag hdmi for gaming(care more about the short throw personally but the 2150 was marketed as a gaming projector due to the low lag)

bix26 11-02-2018 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyroo (Post 57054114)



Having owned the Epson HC 4000, I will say that motorized lens shift and zoom is soooo - nice and convenient. But once dialed in - I never touched the motorized zoom again and ultimately, it was the performance of the image that I was left with to judge. It wasn't bad. I enjoyed the Epson. By I personally enjoyed the on-screen performance of the HT2550 more.



So my thought is that unless your use-case and mounting position REQUIRE the insane placement flexibility of the Epsons, it comes down to the performance of the image.... even though some of the bells and whistles I had with the Epson were missed.





I think for most people who want motorized lens memory it’s more for the ability to have a 2.35:1 screen. I have a living room setup so it’s not that important to me, however the shorter throw defiantly is. Someone building a dedicated room is more likely going to really want lens memory but not necessarily the shorter throw. I guess my point is they are pretty equal just focused on two different applications. Still the Epson’s are still the closest comparisons I can think of. Maybe the Optoma UHD51A except it has no iris and no wide color gamut like the HT3550 and HC4010.

bix26 11-02-2018 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves (Post 57052388)
Is there any 4k HDR projector that has the same throw as the w1500? I need 135inch size screen from 10' 6" and so far the only options in the 4k world is Ultra Short Throw and that is really expensive... Does this projector have that capability?



No, you would need a minimum 11’ 3” for a 135” screen

Kcj1906 11-02-2018 11:17 PM

How will this projector compare to Optoma UHD51A and UHD 51a LV? I’ve been thinking of pulling the trigger on one of those.

bix26 11-03-2018 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kcj1906 (Post 57054998)
How will this projector compare to Optoma UHD51A and UHD 51a LV? I’ve been thinking of pulling the trigger on one of those.



I think given the fact that it will have an updated DMD it will have better contrast. The expanded color gamut is likely accurate as BenQ has so far always been honest and accurate with their advertised color range. Video processing will likely improve HDR tone mapping along with HLG support. I think it will be better but nobody knows by how much. My hunch is that it will be a very substantial improvement.


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