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No taxes in Florida when ordering from them? I live in Florida and I'm going to wait for some reviews to come out but I know where I'm ordering it from if I do. That'll save me a couple hundred bucks.

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Wow- impressive contrast 1,500,000 to 1!
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Wow- impressive contrast 1,500,000 to 1!
Sadly, fine print says up to 1,500,00 to 1
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Sadly, fine print says up to 1,500,00 to 1
What fine print? It quotes 1,500,000 to 1 on the LG site AND projector screen.com. And ALL contrast would be "up to" whether written or not. Sounds like the dream machine for me (but don't they all before they're released). My only question is with the ultra short throw PJ's is are they limited in screen size not by brightness but distortion.
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The fine print also states 30K to 40K on lamp life! I'll be dead before the lamp is at that rate.
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Wow- impressive contrast 1,500,000 to 1!
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but manufacturer contrast ratings are ALWAYS overrated. Take with a grain of salt. Real world would probably be less than 3,000:1 if we're lucky.

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I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but manufacturer contrast ratings are ALWAYS overrated. Take with a grain of salt. Real world would probably be less than 3,000:1 if we're lucky.
Even when they're being honest, the ratings are for theoretically ideal environments (and settings). Real world will always be less.
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I know this is a silly "what if," because the P1 isn't out yet, but if we were to pretend price wasn't a factor, is there any expectation that the P1 will outperform the Dell S718QL? I'm trying to wrap my head around what the best projector is for my budget/use case and it certainly seems like the S718QL is brighter than even the new LG HU85LA. The only downside I can see is input lag on the Dell, but otherwise it seems like it might be the better choice for a TV replacement in a location with a fair amount of ambient light.
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Was curious to find out whether any DLP front projector manufacturers will be attending IFA, Berlin early September or the subsequent CEDIA in Denver, Colorado.


Except for Acer at IFA, BenQ, Optoma and Vivitek will NOT be present at the above mentioned fairs.

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I know this is a silly "what if," because the P1 isn't out yet, but if we were to pretend price wasn't a factor, is there any expectation that the P1 will outperform the Dell S718QL? I'm trying to wrap my head around what the best projector is for my budget/use case and it certainly seems like the S718QL is brighter than even the new LG HU85LA. The only downside I can see is input lag on the Dell, but otherwise it seems like it might be the better choice for a TV replacement in a location with a fair amount of ambient light.
The Dell is a first generation UST design, the P1 is a second generation with better glass optics.
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The Dell is a first generation UST design, the P1 is a second generation with better glass optics.
I was reading a review on Projector Review about the new LG HU85LA and it said the upcoming Optoma P1 uses a dual laser design like the LG...

Is the P1 single or dual laser? If it's dual, I'm assuming no color wheel?

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I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but manufacturer contrast ratings are ALWAYS overrated. Take with a grain of salt. Real world would probably be less than 3,000:1 if we're lucky.
A well implemented laser dimming algorithm can show very high on/off CRs.
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I know this is a silly "what if," because the P1 isn't out yet, but if we were to pretend price wasn't a factor, is there any expectation that the P1 will outperform the Dell S718QL? I'm trying to wrap my head around what the best projector is for my budget/use case and it certainly seems like the S718QL is brighter than even the new LG HU85LA. The only downside I can see is input lag on the Dell, but otherwise it seems like it might be the better choice for a TV replacement in a location with a fair amount of ambient light.
What Tuan said, plus if an authentic home theater experience is what you're after then you'll get better contrast and colors (and color calibration) with the Optoma.
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I was reading a review on Projector Review about the new LG HU85LA and it said the upcoming Optoma P1 uses a dual laser design like the LG...

Is the P1 single or dual laser? If it's dual, I'm assuming no color wheel?

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P1 is single laser WITH color wheel but it's one of the only UST projectors that I have heard of that use dynamic laser dimming, so the contrast measurements (if done right) should be phenomenal. Colors would be better than pretty much all of the Chinese manufacturers and Optoma has stated 90% of DCI P3 coverage and you'll have better CMS tools to adjust the color to your liking.

Definitely in a "best-bang-for-your-buck" category for UST projectors.
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A well implemented laser dimming algorithm can show very high on/off CRs.
I concur (Optoma Z65 anyone?), but not in the millions, tens of thousands maybe. We'll see.

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Does anyone know if Optoma P1 speakers can function as independent center speaker, since I will use AV receiver to drive all the other surround speakers. Can I couple directly to the P1 speakers connecting AV receiver output terminals?
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That would be amazing if we could use this as a center speaker - but i have a feeling all of the channels need to be managed together from a receiver that separates all the channels.

Does anyone know the distance the projector needs to be to project 120 inches? i saw its about 10 inches for 100 inches.
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Any idea about the release date? We are in Q3 already.
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Does anyone know if Optoma P1 speakers can function as independent center speaker, since I will use AV receiver to drive all the other surround speakers. Can I couple directly to the P1 speakers connecting AV receiver output terminals?

While the idea is intriguing and would be somewhat innovative and rather clever (Optoma, you're listening?) the previously released specifications do not suggest such a possibility because the necessary input jacks are missíng.


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Does anyone know if Optoma P1 speakers can function as independent center speaker, since I will use AV receiver to drive all the other surround speakers. Can I couple directly to the P1 speakers connecting AV receiver output terminals?
I was browsing videos about the Optoma P1 on youtube and in some video somewhere, the guy doing the promotion was asked this exact question, and he answered no.
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I was browsing videos about the Optoma P1 on youtube and in some video somewhere, the guy doing the promotion was asked this exact question, and he answered no.
Thanks for all your replies; great idea yet to be implemented, maybe next generation.
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The glass optics are an important selling point for me. That and how durable and reliable Optoma projectors have been for me. Even outdoors camping, humidity, bugs, setting up on gravel bars and getting knocked around in general.
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Any idea about the release date? We are in Q3 already.
We expect it to start shipping on/around 9/15/19 per our rep @ Optoma.
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I know this is a silly "what if," because the P1 isn't out yet, but if we were to pretend price wasn't a factor, is there any expectation that the P1 will outperform the Dell S718QL? I'm trying to wrap my head around what the best projector is for my budget/use case and it certainly seems like the S718QL is brighter than even the new LG HU85LA. The only downside I can see is input lag on the Dell, but otherwise it seems like it might be the better choice for a TV replacement in a location with a fair amount of ambient light.
The Dell is really a conference room projector vs the P1 which is intended for home cinema. If you plan on watching motion video content and want better colors and contrast, the P1 is the way to go for sure.

If you pair the P1 with a UST ALR screen you will not need the additional brightness of the Dell (which comes with lower contrast as a result) and will have a much better image than the Dell with a traditional white surface, especially in a well-lit environment.
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We expect it to start shipping on/around 9/15/19 per our rep @ Optoma.
Yahssssss!!!
Can't wait - even my wife's bought off on this! These UST's seem to have high WAF. Females (rightly) hate construction, cables, wires, clutter etc.

If the sound is high enough quality (which I'm guessing it could be 90% of the time having owned Nuforce products before) and the smart TV features are good enough - the entire setup could be limited to the projector, power chord and a shelf. And this could finally pose serious competition to a large number of flat screen installations. Much better scale, portability, esthetics, internal audio and placement options.

Hey Optoma - make sure this works as advertised and isn't priced over $3K. The world could be your oyster!
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Thanks for the comments guys, guess I'll be getting an Optoma! I can't wait for the Elite Screens floor rising UST screen in November, it should pair perfectly with this projector.

Regarding the center channel, I was wondering that too. I think it's a great concept but the only device I know of that has caught on to it is the LG OLED R.
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Thanks for the comments guys, guess I'll be getting an Optoma! I can't wait for the Elite Screens floor rising UST screen in November, it should pair perfectly with this projector.

Regarding the center channel, I was wondering that too. I think it's a great concept but the only device I know of that has caught on to it is the LG OLED R.
This is likely the route that I will take, too. I would really love to see a comparison test between the P1 and the HU85LA prior to making a final decision, but if the P1 really is going to be $3000, the LG would have to be VASTLY superior, in many aspects, to sway my decision that way.

Knolly, did you get my PM regarding the Vividstorm screen? Might be some food for thought!
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This is likely the route that I will take, too. I would really love to see a comparison test between the P1 and the HU85LA prior to making a final decision, but if the P1 really is going to be $3000, the LG would have to be VASTLY superior, in many aspects, to sway my decision that way.

Knolly, did you get my PM regarding the Vividstorm screen? Might be some food for thought!
Agreed on the Optoma vs LG comparison. I don't mind spending money but I want to feel that I'm getting a good value, and I suspect the Optoma is going to be more than 50% as good as the LG.

As for the Vividstorm, I didn't get a PM from you but I remembered your post. I'm glad you reminded me though since I gave it another look and realized I wasn't giving it a fair shake. I saw a video on the Amazon listing that really didn't impress me at all, but upon further review, it was an image of their standard screen, not the ALR UST screen.

Spending some time on their listing I'm pretty confident it's a rebrand of this screen I found on Aliexpress, but I think that it could be worth buying Vividstorm for ease of being able to buy it on Amazon.

If I end up giving it a shot I'll also order a sample of EliteScreens Starbright CLR, it could be interesting to project an image on both at the same time and see if there's any notable difference. This is such a niche market at the moment but I feel like it shouldn't be... A easily portable/shipped 100ish inch TV that is invisible when turned off? Sign me up.

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Agreed on the Optoma vs LG comparison. I don't mind spending money but I want to feel that I'm getting a good value, and I suspect the Optoma is going to be more than 50% as good as the LG.

As for the Vividstorm, I didn't get a PM from you but I remembered your post. I'm glad you reminded me though since I gave it another look and realized I wasn't giving it a fair shake. I saw a video on the Amazon listing that really didn't impress me at all, but upon further review, it was an image of their standard screen, not the ALR UST screen.

Spending some time on their listing I'm pretty confident it's a rebrand of this screen I found on Aliexpress, but I think that it could be worth buying Vividstorm for ease of being able to buy it on Amazon.

If I end up giving it a shot I'll also order a sample of EliteScreens Starbright CLR, it could be interesting to project an image on both at the same time and see if there's any notable difference. This is such a niche market at the moment but I feel like it shouldn't be... A easily portable/shipped 100ish inch TV that is invisible when turned off? Sign me up.
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These UST's seem to have high WAF. Females (rightly) hate construction, cables, wires, clutter etc.

Agreed. This is probably the excuse for the integrated speaker system (Plug & Play) although the extra option to drive the speakers as a double center with two small woofers would have been great.

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