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The ViewSonic X1000-4k sounds exciting. Will release in october, no price announced as of now.
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The Viewsonic page for the LS700-4K is quoting:

Brightness (Lumens): 3,500 ANSI

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/catalog.../LS700-4K.html
Not sure if that was just their template and they put in LED Lumens by mistake, or if they really mean ANSI lumens.

Lag is indicated at 16ms.

0.47" DLP chip.


ProjectorPeople is showing "Pre-order, starts shipping June 1"

The price has been going down-down-down before release. The announcement's MSRP was substantially higher than the price now appearing on the Viewsonic web page:
https://www.viewsonic.com/us/ls700-4k.html
and the on-line retail sites are even lower.

I'm guessing that at this price-point these are plastic lenses?


Reviews don't seem to be up yet, which is surprising given a June 1 ship-date...


Thanks,

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The ViewSonic X1000-4k sounds exciting. Will release in october, no price announced as of now.


ViewSonic has released the MSRP in their press release.

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/news/vi...ent-projectors
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The Viewsonic page for the LS700-4K is quoting:

Brightness (Lumens): 3,500 ANSI

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/catalog.../LS700-4K.html
Not sure if that was just their template and they put in LED Lumens by mistake, or if they really mean ANSI lumens.

Lag is indicated at 16ms.

0.47" DLP chip.


ProjectorPeople is showing "Pre-order, starts shipping June 1"

The price has been going down-down-down before release. The announcement's MSRP was substantially higher than the price now appearing on the Viewsonic web page:
https://www.viewsonic.com/us/ls700-4k.html
and the on-line retail sites are even lower.

I'm guessing that at this price-point these are plastic lenses?


Reviews don't seem to be up yet, which is surprising given a June 1 ship-date...


Thanks,

Scott
Anyone know if the lamp, or rather, laser light is replaceable once it runs out?

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Anyone know if the lamp, or rather, laser light is replaceable once it runs out?
I haven't seen a single word from any laser projector manufacturer marketing the light source as "replaceable." Of course any part is replaceable as long as one has access to the part and proper tools and knowledge to know how to properly replace it. For example I'm sure a projector's laser system would be replaceable by the manufacturer under warranty.

Once out of warranty you'd need to factor in that the cost of replacement parts are typically high on most products because manufacturers don't like to stock them and outside of DIY the cost of paying a trained tech to do the work can be exorbitant. That would need to be weighed against the fact that new technologies tend to develop rapidly with rising performance and falling prices. So by the time a projector's laser system was out of warranty and nearing its 20k-30k-hour expected lifespan the cost of replacing the laser system would likely be in the neighborhood of the cost of a new and improved laser projector.

In other words, the concept of marketing replaceable projector laser systems makes little sense for either the manufacturer or the end user.
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This is a review of a .47 DLP XPR laser PJ:

https://www.projectorreviews.com/ben...jector-review/

and the results seem quite impressive.

There are reports that some laser light engines show no dimming after 5000 hrs:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ul...l#post57999990


So age related dimming may be much more gradual than we might assume. BTW 20,000hrs = more than 5 years at 10hrs use/day.
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Super excited, cant wait for the ls700 4k.

Curious if this a low light mode.

At 10 feet away 120 inch screen on a cinegray 5d 1.5 gain screen, 3500 lumens is too bright

If low light mode, maybe can get it down to 2k lumens which would work.



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Looking forward to it's release and reviews as well (ls700 4k). Looking to upgrade to 4k hdr as well as an upgrade to the 3D coming from an ht3050. Low lag is a lot to ask for, but that wouldn't hurt either.

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Projectorpeople have no stock, but they say they should be getting stock Early June. They are taking orders. Someone here said they had one shipped recently. Anxiously awaiting a review as we just purchased a BenQ HT3550. We had an Epson 5050 but only a 13ft throw, which can't fill up our 159" screen. The Epson is definitely better all around. Hoping the Viewsonic comes closer to the Epson 5050.
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2019 ViewSonic Projectors @ CES 2019

They are advertising this as an ULTRA LOW lag input device! REALLY curious as to what the real world numbers are regarding this!


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They are advertising this as an ULTRA LOW lag input device! REALLY curious as to what the real world numbers are regarding this!


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With the LS700HD reporting and measuring at 16ms, and the LS700-4k also reporting 16ms (per spec page on viewsonic site), it's certainly looking hopeful.
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Talked to Viewdonic rep and he said the first large batch won't arrive till late June.Still with Viewsonic's excellent px727-4k which I own ,I expect a even better color gamut and hdr image.I do wonder if the 16ms lag measurements are with XPR off as viewsonics have the ability to turn it off. That might limit gaming to 1080p .others feel free to correct me if that is wrong
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woot, 16ms lag. This is my projector!!!!!

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Projectorpeople have no stock, but they say they should be getting stock Early June. They are taking orders. Someone here said they had one shipped recently. Anxiously awaiting a review as we just purchased a BenQ HT3550. We had an Epson 5050 but only a 13ft throw, which can't fill up our 159" screen. The Epson is definitely better all around. Hoping the Viewsonic comes closer to the Epson 5050.

you liked the 5050 better than the ht3550?
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you liked the 5050 better than the ht3550?
100%. Brighter, sharper. Didn't compare colors.
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An order page for the LS700-4K has appeared on the B&H website:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/searc...Sonic+LS700-4K
It isn't available yet, but it looks like they are getting ready for arrival.


Projector People appears to be getting ready also and the price is roughly the same:

https://www.projectorpeople.com/View...rojector/48201
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Here are the photos from the Media kit. Unfortunately there is no photo of the bottom (for ceiling mount). They do list some ceiling mounts as accessories on the Viewsonic LS700-4K web page, so there must be some ceiling mount capability.

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Since many of the first-gen 4K HDR projectors have been needing firmware flashes, and the manufacturers don't allow users to do the flash themselves (except for the LG HU80KA), here is a photo of the Viewsonic service center located at:

14035 Pipeline Avenue
Chino, CA. 91710
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Man that is one ugly projector!


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Man that is one ugly projector!
The LS700-4K uses the same housing as the LS700-HD. A striking feature is that the lens is much smaller than other projectors' lenses. They must have figured out how to rotate on-center instead of off-center like most other brands' projectors.

A smaller lens system would certainly lower the price. But there's no word yet if those are glass or plastic lenses. The Viewsonic PX747-4X uses glass, so lets hope that the LS700-4K does also.

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The ViewSonic Projector Distance Calculator for the LS700-HD is here (the LS700-4K doesn't show up in their list yet):
https://www.viewsonic.com/us/distance-calculator
and the Projector Central version for the LS700-4K is here:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Vie...ulator-pro.htm

The LS700-4K has a 1.13 to 1.47 throw distance and that is the same as the LS700-HD.


The Projector Central tool and the ViewSonic tool generate the same result.


Unfortunately for me, my room doesn't fit (96" horizontal width screen with a 15.5 feet projector placement) My living room positioning has worked fine for every projector that I have ever owned since 1999, but this ViewSonic doesn't fit.



So even though the LS700-4K isn't specifically labeled as a short-throw projector, it appears to be. Be sure to use the distance calculator tools before purchasing. The Projector Central table defining short throw seems to agree:
https://www.projectorpeople.com/reso...hort-throw.asp

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The ViewSonic Projector Distance Calculator for the LS700-HD is here (the LS700-4K doesn't show up in their list yet):


https://www.viewsonic.com/us/distance-calculator



and the Projector Central version for the LS700-4K is here:


https://www.projectorcentral.com/Vie...ulator-pro.htm





The LS700-4K has a 1.13 to 1.47 throw distance and that is the same as the LS700-HD.





The Projector Central tool and the ViewSonic tool generate the same result.





Unfortunately for me, my room doesn't fit (96" horizontal width screen with a 15.5 feet projector placement) My living room positioning has worked fine for every projector that I have ever owned since 1999, but this ViewSonic doesn't fit.







So even though the LS700-4K isn't specifically labeled as a short-throw projector, it appears to be. Be sure to use the distance calculator tools before purchasing. The Projector Central table defining short throw seems to agree:


https://www.projectorpeople.com/reso...hort-throw.asp





Scott


At that distance your really losing the benefit projector witch is a large immersive screen. At the same time your taking on all the disadvantages of a projector witch is low contrast, low brightness and low sharpness compared to an even lower-midrange tv. Why not just get an 85” tv and move your seating a little closer or add bigger screen?
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Like man others here, on paper this projector ticks off all the boxes I am looking for: 4k, low lag, good picture, bright. I am very excited about the possibilities but am trying to keep expectations realistic.

I just spoke with Projector People customer service and they will not be shipping June 1st. They expect to receive them the 3rd week of June now. So hopefully by the end of June folks will start getting them.

If anyone gets one before then, please please please post a review!!!
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At that distance your really losing the benefit projector witch is a large immersive screen. At the same time your taking on all the disadvantages of a projector witch is low contrast, low brightness and low sharpness compared to an even lower-midrange tv. Why not just get an 85” tv and move your seating a little closer or add bigger screen?
I'm only 15.5 feet away. If I downgraded to an 85" panel (74 inches wide), then I would need to sit 12 feet away to get the same field of view. So I have to put the couch closer than 12 feet for a larger field of view. That doesn't work with my room's layout.


The screen is fixed where it is (comes down out of the ceiling), the couch is where it is (against the back wall; happy wife position), the projector mount is fixed (connected to the ceiling against the back wall's tapestry for multi-bounce sound absorbing reasons), we have two couches in an L-shape (back wall and side wall), and the screen has 1-foot of clearance on each side and is maximized for the room. So the projector is the variable.


All of my previous projectors have been fine with these dimensions (i.e. their zoom lenses were able to accommodate). And the current crop of leading candidates that I am considering are fine with my room configuration (UHZ65, HT9060, LK990, VL7860, etc.). So it is this ViewSonic that seems to be the odd man out.


I agree with Cruiser54's on-paper assessment. And I was really liking this ViewSonic LS700-4K projector until I got tripped up with the limited throw range. 1.13 to 1.47 seems quite limiting. The LS700-4K really is a short-throw projector.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Talked to Viewdonic rep and he said the first large batch won't arrive till late June.Still with Viewsonic's excellent px727-4k which I own ,I expect a even better color gamut and hdr image.I do wonder if the 16ms lag measurements are with XPR off as viewsonics have the ability to turn it off. That might limit gaming to 1080p .others feel free to correct me if that is wrong
This makes perfect sense. Gaming wouldn't necessarily be limited to 4k if so, though - If XPR adds a frame, that still might be 30s to low 40s lag. Pretty bad for twitchy games, but not a problem for slower paced stuff. You'd just want to be 1080p for anything really high paced.

If this is the approach used, I think it's a decent compromise.
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So any news about that dam thing, this LS700 4k got my hyped but still no solid review or real full specs anywhere, its available to purchase now but lots of grey areas and you know grey is not my favorite color.
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So any news about that dam thing, this LS700 4k got my hyped but still no solid review or real full specs anywhere, its available to purchase now but lots of grey areas and you know grey is not my favorite color.
Spoke w/ projector central the other day, they said September now.
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Spoke w/ projector central the other day, they said September now.
For their review or to have it in stock?!?! Seems like from multiple sources end of June was probable for it to be in stock. Jumping to September would suck!
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For their review or to have it in stock?!?! Seems like from multiple sources end of June was probable for it to be in stock. Jumping to September would suck!
From what projector central stated, the units will not ship out until September.
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