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MJ DOOM 01-08-2019 07:48 PM

2019 ViewSonic Projectors @ CES 2019
 
LS700-4K

Combining laser technology with 4K Ultra HD (3840x2160) resolution and 3,500 lumens of brightness, the ViewSonic LS700-4K projector offers a premium home theater experience. The LS700-4K features HDR content support for detailed image reproduction and exclusive SuperColor technology for richer color that delivers a breathtaking viewing experience. From movies and television shows to sports and gaming, the LS700-4K provides an engrossing and engaging big screen home theater experience in just about any room, regardless of ambient light. The LS700-4K comes with an integrated Smart TV interface for easy streaming of TV shows and movies from popular content services.

LS700HD

With native 1080p Full HD resolution, the ViewSonic LS700HD features 3,500 lumens of brightness for stunning picture quality, day or night, in any type of room. Utilizing the latest laser light technology for up to 20,000 hours of usage, the LS700HD ensures long-term enjoyment for just about all entertainment and multimedia viewing needs. In addition to its high brightness, the LS700HD comes with SuperColor technology for real-life color reproduction. The LS700HD has 3x fast input for gaming.

LS700HD $2,199 (USD) February 2019
LS700-4K $3,499 (USD) February 2019

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/news/vi...ser-projectors

https://www.projectorcentral.com/ima...onic-LS700.jpg

MJ DOOM 01-08-2019 07:51 PM

ViewSonic X10-4K

Combining stunning 4K resolution with smart streaming functionality and a portable design, the ViewSonic X10-4K projector delivers a theater-like experience in just about any room. With a lightweight design, easy carry handle and short throw lens, the X10-4K can be conveniently moved from room to room, indoors to outdoors. It features 2,400 LED lumens of brightness, and with Wi-Fi connectivity, allows users to stream content from users’ favorite providers like Netflix and YouTube. The X10-4K delivers big pictures in a small package.

https://www.projectorcentral.com/ima...nic-x10-4k.jpg

ViewSonic X1000-4K

The ViewSonic X1000-4K is an ultra-short throw LED projector that allows users to place it inches away from a screen or wall and project an image of up to 100-inches. With 2,200 LED lumens of brightness, motorized focus and a built-in Harmon Kardon sound bar, the X1000-4K delivers a truly all-engrossing big screen experience. The X1000-4K features an integrated Smart TV interface that provides easy streaming of television shows, movies and content from popular media providers. Vivid image quality and powerful sound quality ensures a comprehensive home entertainment package.

https://www.projectorcentral.com/ima...c-x1000-4k.jpg

X10-4K $2,399 (USD) Spring 2019
X1000-4K $2,799 (USD) Spring 2019

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/news/vi...ent-projectors

qoopy 01-08-2019 08:01 PM

LED instead of laser. Let's see how this works out.

Bryan Kessler 01-08-2019 08:15 PM

Looking forward to seeing the full specs.


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Frank714 01-09-2019 02:05 AM

Apparently the LS 700's support 3D from Blu-ray players (probably DLP Link).

Should be interesting to learn what kind of creative Frame Interpolation (FI) they will use, if any.


I'd guess that for both LS 700's they'd be using the same 0.47" FullHD DMD, one for FullHD applications (only) and the other one to create 4K images.

GodAtum 01-09-2019 03:15 AM

Hope they release the full specs soon!!

According to the Viewsonic X10 4K has a 0.8 throw.

Superman2 01-09-2019 06:49 AM

Time to upgrade my pro8100 :):)


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Bryan Kessler 01-09-2019 07:44 AM

Any idea yet if these projectors will have lens memory?

jjsaustin 01-09-2019 02:02 PM

Sorry for the noob questions about LED projectors, but what is a LED lumen? It sounds like a marketing term.

Do these LED projectors have colorwheels or are there 3 LEDs (RGB) for the light source?

2400 lumens seems a little high unless it is "boosted" by some white segment on a colorwheel like with a traditional bulb or laser

Dave in Green 01-09-2019 03:18 PM

@jjsaustin , no color wheels on these LED models. For an explanation of LED lumens check the following:

projectorcentral.com/Meter-and-Perceived-Brightness-Test.htm

david8613 01-09-2019 03:24 PM

what about lag, need to know this as a gamer!

jjsaustin 01-09-2019 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57408726)
@jjsaustin , no color wheels on these LED models. For an explanation of LED lumens check the following:

projectorcentral.com/Meter-and-Perceived-Brightness-Test.htm

Thanks Dave.

So since there is not a colorwheel, I assume all 2400 lumens are "color" lumens and no rainbow effects.
Correct?

Dave in Green 01-09-2019 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjsaustin (Post 57409964)
Thanks Dave.

So since there is not a colorwheel, I assume all 2400 lumens are "color" lumens. Correct?

Yes, all color lumens. Also, if you read the story I linked to above about LED lumens, the colors are more saturated than those of UHP lamp projectors, and more saturated colors are perceived by the human eye to be brighter than their ANSI lumen rating. So if measuring a lamp-based projector and an LED projector at exactly the same ANSI lumens the LED model should be perceived by the human eye as brighter even if it doesn't show up on a standard light meter. It's not unusual for reviews of LED projectors to include comments that they appear at least a little brighter than they actually measure.

Now if a manufacturer states the brightness of an LED projector in LED lumens it means they are already adding the perceived lumen factor in at whatever increase they want to claim, and there's some debate about what percentage increase we actually perceive. Of course manufacturer specifications always need to be taken with a grain of salt. So it remains to be seen how many lumens independent test measurements will show and how that translates against the brightness of lamp-based projectors that most of us are used to viewing.

jjsaustin 01-09-2019 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57410046)
Yes, all color lumens. Also, if you read the story I linked to above about LED lumens, the colors are more saturated than those of UHP lamp projectors, and more saturated colors are perceived by the human eye to be brighter than their ANSI lumen rating. So if measuring a lamp-based projector and an LED projector at exactly the same ANSI lumens the LED model should be perceived by the human eye as brighter even if it doesn't show up on a standard light meter. It's not unusual for reviews of LED projectors to include comments that they appear at least a little brighter than they actually measure.

Now if a manufacturer states the brightness of an LED projector in LED lumens it means they are already adding the perceived lumen factor in at whatever increase they want to claim, and there's some debate about what percentage increase we actually perceive. Of course manufacturer specifications always need to be taken with a grain of salt. So it remains to be seen how many lumens independent test measurements will show and how that translates against the brightness of lamp-based projectors that most of us are used to viewing.

Yes I read the article and it seemed like the difference was minor even if you used a more accurate meter. This LED me to wonder, if the difference is small, then why even create confusion over a handful of lumens? Especially when the manufacturer's brightness spec is often overstated to begin with.

Russell Burrows 01-09-2019 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ DOOM (Post 57403530)
ViewSonic X10-4K

Combining stunning 4K resolution with smart streaming functionality and a portable design, the ViewSonic X10-4K projector delivers a theater-like experience in just about any room. With a lightweight design, easy carry handle and short throw lens, the X10-4K can be conveniently moved from room to room, indoors to outdoors. It features 2,400 LED lumens of brightness, and with Wi-Fi connectivity, allows users to stream content from users’ favorite providers like Netflix and YouTube. The X10-4K delivers big pictures in a small package.

https://www.projectorcentral.com/ima...nic-x10-4k.jpg

ViewSonic X1000-4K

The ViewSonic X1000-4K is an ultra-short throw LED projector that allows users to place it inches away from a screen or wall and project an image of up to 100-inches. With 2,200 LED lumens of brightness, motorized focus and a built-in Harmon Kardon sound bar, the X1000-4K delivers a truly all-engrossing big screen experience. The X1000-4K features an integrated Smart TV interface that provides easy streaming of television shows, movies and content from popular media providers. Vivid image quality and powerful sound quality ensures a comprehensive home entertainment package.

https://www.projectorcentral.com/ima...c-x1000-4k.jpg

X10-4K $2,399 (USD) Spring 2019
X1000-4K $2,799 (USD) Spring 2019

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/news/vi...ent-projectors

Excellent

Dave in Green 01-09-2019 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjsaustin (Post 57410114)
Yes I read the article and it seemed like the difference was minor even if you used a more accurate meter. This LED me to wonder, if the difference is small, then why even create confusion over a handful of lumens? Especially when the manufacturer's brightness spec is often overstated to begin with.

The different light meter showed only a minor difference. But you actually view with your eyes, not a light meter. So the key statement in the article is the quote below where I've bolded and underscored the key word:

Quote:

Third, for LED projectors with equal white and color brightness, the HK effect can significantly increase the perceived brightness.

defiancecp 01-09-2019 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david8613 (Post 57408772)
what about lag, need to know this as a gamer!

The 1080p one mentions lag, but the 4k one doesn't. However, even that's just marketing materials - we won't know until some reviewer tests them.

jpbonadio 01-09-2019 07:54 PM

I'm very interested in knowing more about the LS700-4K. Let's see how it compares with the Optoma UHZ65.

RadiantHT 01-09-2019 08:39 PM

If I can't get my hands on Epson 5050ub within the next 60 days, the LS700HD will definitely be my next purchase.

Russell Burrows 01-09-2019 08:48 PM

Hopefully this has good contrast and good black levels.?

RadiantHT 01-09-2019 09:01 PM

I would like to know the natice contrast for this projector. I can deal with any TV or projector with at least 5,000:1 native contrast. Anything below that and the blacks look greyish and distracting during dark scenes in my opinion.

Dave in Green 01-10-2019 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadiantHT (Post 57410664)
I would like to know the natice contrast for this projector. I can deal with any TV or projector with at least 5,000:1 native contrast. Anything below that and the blacks look greyish and distracting during dark scenes in my opinion.

No DLP projector has been measured with 5,000:1 native contrast. For 3LCD you need to move up to one of Epson's UB models with their Ultra Black panels or a JVC or Sony LCoS model to get 5,000:1 native contrast.

Russell Burrows 01-10-2019 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57413062)
No DLP projector has been measured with 5,000:1 native contrast. For 3LCD you need to move up to one of Epson's UB models with their Ultra Black panels or a JVC or Sony LCoS model to get 5,000:1 native contrast.

K Just looking for contrast and black level similar to lg pf1500 plus i want 4k
So hopefully the viewsonic from ces does an ok job?

Dave in Green 01-10-2019 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell Burrows (Post 57413156)
K Just looking for contrast and black level similar to lg pf1500 plus i want 4k
So hopefully the viewsonic from ces does an ok job?

There are typically not major differences in contrast and native black levels among similar DLP projectors as TI's DMD chips are the limiting factors. I would expect the new ViewSonic models to be at least comparable to the LG PF1500.

bix26 01-13-2019 11:15 AM

2019 ViewSonic Projectors @ CES 2019
 
The x1000 is a little disappointing to me. Rec709 is surprising to me considering that it has an rgb led light engine. I’m hoping they can eek out at least 90% of dci-p3 by launch. Also up to 100” is really too small imo. I would be really bummed out if I purchased this along with an expensive UST screen only to see 90”-100” tv’s with much better picture come down in price in a year or two. Hopefully it can be pushed to a larger size without having any distortion or focus issues.

MJ DOOM 02-11-2019 03:46 PM

3 Attachment(s)
ViewSonic X100-4K: DLP LED 4K 1799 €

-RGBB LED light source
-4K UHD by XPR X4 treatment
-2400 Lumens
-Projection ratio: 1.22 ~ 1.44
-1.2x optical zoom
-Harman Kardon Speakers
-H & V lens shift
-LED lifespan 30,000 hours

Might eat the BenQ HT3550 lunch. Coming June 2019.

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...-led-4k-1799e/

juic-E-juice 02-11-2019 05:24 PM

Might eat the BenQ HT3550 lunch. Coming June 2019.


Why? They don’t seem comparable in the least.


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kthejoker20 02-11-2019 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juic-E-juice (Post 57588040)
Might eat the BenQ HT3550 lunch. Coming June 2019.


Why? They don’t seem comparable in the least.


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They do to me.

I was ready to buy the benq, until i saw the input lag.

I absolutely refuse to buy a projector with high input lag. Companies should know better by now.

This thing seems like its gonna smoke the benq.

Call it Fred if it makes you feel better.

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bix26 02-11-2019 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kthejoker20 (Post 57588160)
They do to me.

I was ready to buy the benq, until i saw the input lag.

I absolutely refuse to buy a projector with high input lag. Companies should know better by now.

This thing seems like its gonna smoke the benq.

Call it Fred if it makes you feel better.

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I seriously doubt it will be better in terms of input lag. Nearly all DLP projectors use off the shelf control boards to manage video processing. This is why the lag times are nearly identical between different brands.

defiancecp 02-12-2019 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57588534)
I seriously doubt it will be better in terms of input lag. Nearly all DLP projectors use off the shelf control boards to manage video processing. This is why the lag times are nearly identical between different brands.

That's ... just not true at all .... There are DLP projectors with <10ms input lag, and there are DLP projectors with 70+ input lag. From the perspective of gaming playability that's the difference between world class and nigh-unplayable in many games.


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