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Epson Pro Cinema 4050 4K PRO-UHD HDR Projector Review

Epson's Pro Cinema 4050 projector (and the technically identical Home Cinema 4010) are surprisingly capable projectors given the price. It's a cut above DLP in terms of picture quality, even if it is not a true 4K projector. The picture pit puts up on screen speaks for itself, and it is usable in a very wide number of configurations, from ALR screen setups in living rooms, to dedicated home theaters with 2.40:1 screens.

This is not a highly technical review, there are existing reviews of this projector, if what you are looking for are calibration charts and specific settings suggestions, I can guide you to Google.

Read the review here: Epson Pro Cinema 4050 4K PRO-UHD HDR Projector Review
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Epson's Pro Cinema 4050 projector (and the technically identical Home Cinema 4010) are surprisingly capable projectors given the price. It's a cut above DLP in terms of picture quality, even if it is not a true 4K projector. The picture pit puts up on screen speaks for itself, and it is usable in a very wide number of configurations, from ALR screen setups in living rooms, to dedicated home theaters with 2.40:1 screens.

This is not a highly technical review, there are existing reviews of this projector, if what you are looking for are calibration charts and specific settings suggestions, I can guide you to Google.

Read the review here: Epson Pro Cinema 4050 4K PRO-UHD HDR Projector Review
Thanks magic. My wife and I are in the process of buying our first home. My plan is to convert the basement to a dedicated theater, but if for some reason I can't, I plan to use an extra bedroom. Is there any size room that wouldn't work for a projector like this concerning the zoom feature and brightness?
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Great review @imagic ! We have just setup the European equivalent in our showroom, and as far as for your comment on the lacking HDR support @4K60 4:4:4 (i.e. almost a full 18Gbps) we were able to resolve that with the 5050 / 9400 using our Murideo pattern generator, please see attached pic. Could it be an issue with your cables perhaps, or did we mess up?

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Great review @imagic ! We have just setup the European equivalent in our showroom, and as far as for your comment on the lacking HDR support @4K60 4:4:4 (i.e. almost a full 18Gbps) we were able to resolve that with the 5050 / 9400 using our Murideo pattern generator, please see attached pic. Could it be an issue with your cables perhaps, or did we mess up?

Oh, I confess I didn't even try to "go there" since it's not a listed mode in Epson specs.
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as a previous Epson owner, I must say that I miss their lens system. Epson lenses and physical shift capabilities are extremely versatile and high quality. My old epson is better than my current Optoma UHD60 in this regard.

The current generations of new buyers get SO MUCH for their money. It's unbelievable how much deflation there is in technology considering what it costs you to buy a combo meal at McDonalds now.

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I enjoyed the review finding it refreshingly user friendly from the perspective of giving me what I need and want to know...Thanks. I've ruled out the Epson 5040 due to known issues and found this review compelling enough to begin "the hunt". Ready and willing, a quick internet search last night was fruitless. Any sources would be greatly appreciated. I use my projector 80% for TV/ 20% streaming content and Blu-ray flic's. Should I wait for the 5050 or is "non pro" 4010 the best current option? Thanks
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I enjoyed the review finding it refreshingly user friendly from the perspective of giving me what I need and want to know...Thanks. I've ruled out the Epson 5040 due to known issues and found this review compelling enough to begin "the hunt". Ready and willing, a quick internet search last night was fruitless. Any sources would be greatly appreciated. I use my projector 80% for TV/ 20% streaming content and Blu-ray flic's. Should I wait for the 5050 or is "non pro" 4010 the best current option? Thanks
I'd think "epson 4010 review" as a Google search would turn up more reviews, it did for me.

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Thanks imagic, Perhaps I'll wait just a wee-tiny rest of the month...lol Just to clarify, I was not searching for more reviews on the 4050/4010, I was looking for a purchase source to buy a 4050.
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Thanks imagic, Perhaps I'll wait just a wee-tiny rest of the month...lol Just to clarify, I was not searching for more reviews on the 4050/4010, I was looking for a purchase source to buy a 4050.
Ah, yes of course; your Google is not broken. As it is a CI product, it needs to be bought through a dealer, unlike the 4010. So basically, you have to use Epson's find a dealer tool. But then I tried it for myself, and I'd have to guess you did as well... and got more results than I was counting on. I'll see if I get you a better answer.

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with the recent set of announcements, Im going to wait until Summer time to make my pick as there will be many more similar priced 4k projectors as well as some pretty decent priced UST 4k projectors as well.

As far as whats currently out on the market, if I would have to make a pick based around these price points I would still be leaning towards the Optoma UHD51A, it may not be as "bright" but I feel it handles HDR reproduction better by not letting it get blown out, so it focuses more on preserving the overall picture but this is just from what I have read. Still would need to see in person.

Im really hoping the BenQ w2700/5700 will fit my needs in my budget range and its current listed specs are pretty good so we shall see.

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I researched the Epson 4010/4050 when I was in upgrade mode. I am a huge gamer and the Epson not handling full bandwidth HDMI 2.2 and not being able to display 4K60 with HDR was a no go. I also looked at the Sony 295 and its middling black levels and still present HDR banding took it off my list as well.

That’s why I got the recently discontinued JVC RS440U at a discount. I have not regretted that decision whatsoever.
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Does this Epson projector have a menu option for masking the top and bottom of the image when zooming in to fill my 2.35 screen?
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Mark, loved the review! I hope you get a chance to review the 5040UB's eventual replacement; I hear it's going to be announced soon.

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Is there any benefit to buying the new 4050 with its poor blacks over the older 5040UB, especially considering they are close to the same price now?
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I asked this question previously but didn't get a response. I love the 4050 and was wondering is the power supply different than the one in the 5040?
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I absolutely love my 5040UB. It's the perfect projector to hold on to until 4K laser is affordable.
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I asked this question previously but didn't get a response. I love the 4050 and was wondering is the power supply different than the one in the 5040?
At this point it shouldn't matter. Even if using the identical power supply design, whatever production line defect it had will have been corrected in newer production runs. Epson lost a lot of money replacing defective power supplies under warranty and will have corrected the issue as quickly as possible to reduce the financial drain on the company's profitability.
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Is there any benefit to buying the new 4050 with its poor blacks over the older 5040UB, especially considering they are close to the same price now?
Projector Central did a direct comparison, you might check that out(they reviewed the 4010, which is the retail version). I asked the author a similar question and he had this to say:

"I was actually saying that the 5040's black level advantage, in general, is lost either in ambient light (ie, anything other than a dark home theater) or with content that is of typical or bright average picture level (meaning, typical mixed brightness content that is not overall very dark). Otherwise, the 5040's black level advantage is clear in dark room viewing whether HDR or SDR.

The 5040UB's successor is widely believed to be pending, but until we look at it we can't judge how much improvement it might yield vs the 5040UB."

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At this point it shouldn't matter. Even if using the identical power supply design, whatever production line defect it had will have been corrected in newer production runs. Epson lost a lot of money replacing defective power supplies under warranty and will have corrected the issue as quickly as possible to reduce the financial drain on the company's profitability.

I would have thought the same thing. I see individuals online that are still having problems. Perhaps, they have purchased old stock. I think it is a great projector well worth the money.
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Projector Central did a direct comparison, you might check that out(they reviewed the 4010, which is the retail version). I asked the author a similar question and he had this to say:

"I was actually saying that the 5040's black level advantage, in general, is lost either in ambient light (ie, anything other than a dark home theater) or with content that is of typical or bright average picture level (meaning, typical mixed brightness content that is not overall very dark). Otherwise, the 5040's black level advantage is clear in dark room viewing whether HDR or SDR.

The 5040UB's successor is widely believed to be pending, but until we look at it we can't judge how much improvement it might yield vs the 5040UB."

Thanks for directing me back to the Projector Central review. I had forgotten all about it.
The most telling part of the comparison is summarized by this statement,
"introduce really dark, challenging scenes, and the 5040 absolutely outclasses the 4010, with or without its dynamic iris turned on. On these dark scenes, which cause the viewer's own iris's to open wider and therefore delineate finer differences between gray and black, the 5040's advantage was not only noticeable but staggering at times."


In other words, at similar cost, buy the older UB model, hands down.
Not sure why we are even still talking about the 4050. Epson's marketing team sure did a great job generating excitement for this "home entertainment projector" during initial launch. In absence of a 5050UB what else were they to do.

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Thanks for directing me back to the Projector Central review. I had forgotten all about it.
The most telling part of the comparison is summarized by this statement,
"introduce really dark, challenging scenes, and the 5040 absolutely outclasses the 4010, with or without its dynamic iris turned on. On these dark scenes, which cause the viewer's own iris's to open wider and therefore delineate finer differences between gray and black, the 5040's advantage was not only noticeable but staggering at times."


In other words, at similar cost, buy the older UB model, hands down.
Not sure why we are even still talking about the 4050. Epson's marketing team sure did a great job generating excitement for this "home entertainment projector" during initial launch. In absence of a 5050UB what else were they to do.
I don't disagree....but most users who do not have a dedicated HT who will use the 4010 in a partially lit living room as a "TV" or "home entertainment projector" won't care and are getting a bargain. Perhaps some of us wanting the 5050 right now don't like the release timing of Epson's products, but it's arguable that they got the customer/product/price/timing right on the 4050/4010.
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Oh, I confess I didn't even try to "go there" since it's not a listed mode in Epson specs.

Nevermind, I guess both the US 4010 and 4050 equals the 200.000:1 (specced) TW7400 over here; the model we are passing 18Gbps through is the TW9400, i.e. probably what would equal 5050 in the US? Sorry for the confusion...

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I don't disagree....but most users who do not have a dedicated HT who will use the 4010 in a partially lit living room as a "TV" or "home entertainment projector" won't care and are getting a bargain. Perhaps some of us wanting the 5050 right now don't like the release timing of Epson's products, but it's arguable that they got the customer/product/price/timing right on the 4050/4010.
I don't consider it a bargain. The Epson 4050 has abysmal native contrast. And DLP will beat it in terms of sharpness. The main advantage LCOS and LCD have over DLP is better contrast. However, native contrast is where the Epson 4050 fails so there's really no reason to purchase it over a DLP other than better brightness at the cost of color accuracy.
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I don't consider it a bargain. The Epson 4050 has abysmal native contrast. And DLP will beat it in terms of sharpness. The main advantage LCOS and LCD have over DLP is better contrast. However, native contrast is where the Epson 4050 fails so there's really no reason to purchase it over a DLP other than better brightness at the cost of color accuracy.
The word "bargain" is always arguable and subjective isn't it? I understand your technical arguments against this projector, which can easily be used as an argument for not buying any $2K projector simply because technically there is always something that can be argued as a better product...and plenty of folks will drop the $4K or more and not bat an eye to get the better product. That is obviously not who Epson made this projector for.

Here's the question...have you personally seen a 4010? I'm not pushing the product, but after seeing it I believe the review is accurate and Epson will sell lots of them to folks looking to upgrade their older "family room" projectors for less than $2K. Nothing more, nothing less.

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The word "bargain" is always arguable and subjective isn't it? I understand your technical arguments against this projector, which can easily be used as an argument for not buying any $2K projector simply because technically there is always something that can be argued as a better product...and plenty of folks will drop the $4K or more and not bat an eye to get the better product. That is obviously not who Epson made this projector for.

Here's the question...have you personally seen a 4010? I'm not pushing the product, but after seeing it I believe the review is accurate and Epson will sell lots of them to folks looking to upgrade their older "family room" projectors for less than $2K. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yes I have seen the product in person. It had better out of the box color accuracy then my Epson 5040 which I previously owned. However in dark scenes its contrast levels were below average to be kind. But as you stated I can see it being useful in a living room environment.
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My new 4050 lens has a small concave shape at the center, meaning not the entire lens is convex. Is the dip in the center normal? is that how they are supposed to be?


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Does this Epson projector have a menu option for masking the top and bottom of the image when zooming in to fill my 2.35 screen?
not sure if this what you mean
I use blanking option to stop over light spill showing outside the screen on my 2.35
go to settings, signal and then blanking - it will black out any light from top, bottom or sides of screen - then save it under memory
I always get light spill on the right and left side of my screen

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My new 4050 lens has a small concave shape at the center, meaning not the entire lens is convex. Is the dip in the center normal? is that how they are supposed to be?
In another recent thread someone else noticed the same thing and asked if it could be caused by some little kids who were in the room by themselves and left their fingerprints on the lens. The response was that, no, little kids wouldn't be able to put an indentation in the lens no matter how hard they pressed on it with their fingers so it must be the way the lens is designed.
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