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The iris issue some folks are experiencing, i would like to see reviewers testing this more and especially testing how good the iris is, using a variety of discs, i already mentioned the original Poltergeist that has the flickering lights early on in the film before Carol Ann is taken, thats a nightmare for poor iris implementations, good to test using that film but there are many more, these projectors need help with their black levels and if the iris draws attention to itself then its worse than useless, in my opinion.

Its good to see some calibrated figures, now lets see calibrated brightness for 3D and i really do hope they can fix the iris, i understand the Epson 5050 has issues with its iris, it can be seen working under certain conditions according to one review, i think thats all fixable via firmware as is the BenQ iris, just make it work faster, we are not talking budget anymore, these are mid level now and we expect more at this price, wide colour is good, sharpness is good, but this projector is certainly capable of decent black levels if they can get the iris working better, i think they may have brought it to market too fast to compete with the Epson, time will tell.
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The sound is very loud and makes it pretty hard to watch a movie. I contacted BenQ regarding a replacement. I really like every else about it.
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The iris issue some folks are experiencing, i would like to see reviewers testing this more and especially testing how good the iris is, using a variety of discs, i already mentioned the original Poltergeist that has the flickering lights early on in the film before Carol Ann is taken, thats a nightmare for poor iris implementations, good to test using that film but there are many more, these projectors need help with their black levels and if the iris draws attention to itself then its worse than useless, in my opinion.

Its good to see some calibrated figures, now lets see calibrated brightness for 3D and i really do hope they can fix the iris, i understand the Epson 5050 has issues with its iris, it can be seen working under certain conditions according to one review, i think thats all fixable via firmware as is the BenQ iris, just make it work faster, we are not talking budget anymore, these are mid level now and we expect more at this price, wide colour is good, sharpness is good, but this projector is certainly capable of decent black levels if they can get the iris working better, i think they may have brought it to market too fast to compete with the Epson, time will tell.
These projectors have an alternative in the form of dynamic lamp dimming (Smarteco), which also provides for full brightness when needed and much longer lamp life. Hopefully users will try Smarteco if their DIs are problematic.
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5000:1 dynamic contrast / 1480 calibrated lumens and 90% of DCI-P3 without the filter.
That's OK for me, with my 110' screen in a light controlled room (but not a batcave).

What is the contrast in Smart Eco?

Hopefully BenQ will iron out the bugs soon.
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5000:1 dynamic contrast / 1480 calibrated lumens and 90% of DCI-P3 without the filter.
That's OK for me, with my 110' screen in a light controlled room (but not a batcave).

What is the contrast in Smart Eco?

Hopefully BenQ will iron out the bugs soon.
On/off Contrast with Smarteco should be 2 or 3 times greater than native contrast.
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5000:1 dynamic contrast / 1480 calibrated lumens and 90% of DCI-P3 without the filter.
That's OK for me, with my 110' screen in a light controlled room (but not a batcave).

What is the contrast in Smart Eco?

Hopefully BenQ will iron out the bugs soon.
SmartEco cannot be used in tandem with Dynamic Iris. Its one or the other and I personally prefer the Dynamic Iris. The 5,000:1 CR is based on having the dynamic iris set to on.

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I’ve implemented Kraine’s ‘User’ settings and they tray really are quite fantastic. The brightest most color accurate image I’ve seen with SDR content on this projector. Thanks Kraine! My back half of theater is totally illuminated. Exactly how I watch sports. And the 160” image is not washed out at all and is bright and punchy. I think that brightness 45 contrast 55 combo really packs a lot of punch.

I took his settings two steps further and enabled brilliant Color and changed gamma curve to BenQ while watching sports. Really pleasantly surprised and I need to eat my foot about this projector not being bright enough for sports viewing in ambient light.




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For fun. Both in calibrated modes. And yes, Epson 4K “enhancement” is set to on.





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SAGE you have a good stance in the JVC forums also. Some of us cant stretch budget to the NX5 but the JVC LX-UH1... from what youve seen of the BenQ w5700 does it beat the JVC lx-UH1? Colours maybe but what about blacks?


I know its around 8 months old now but this video below shows the JVC LX-UH1 has good blacks for a DLP and maybe beats the epson 5040. I did hear JVC bulbs cost a lot though.


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Scotty thank you for the awesome pics I really enjoy the colors and sharpness on my HT 5550. Question regarding your unit does yours also make a loud grinding type sound with dynamic iris on?

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For fun. Both in calibrated modes. And yes, Epson 4K “enhancement” is set to on.












Major stuff here Scott really appreciate the pics. The 4x 1080p is looking sharp as on the benq w5700. the bigger the screen the more the epson looks dimished. Colours are so so close hard for me to tell....
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I’ve implemented Kraine’s ‘User’ settings and they tray really are quite fantastic. The brightest most color accurate image I’ve seen with SDR content on this projector. Thanks Kraine! My back half of theater is totally illuminated. Exactly how I watch sports. And the 160” image is not washed out at all and is bright and punchy. I think that brightness 45 contrast 55 combo really packs a lot of punch.

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Finally an eyewitness report that conveys more information regarding the creative FI (Frame Interpolation) which doesnt sound too encouraging, add to this that there are apparently software issues (first mentioned in an eyewitness report of the Berlin presentation during the Berlinale film festival).


I'm increasingly certain that the absence of a "Soap Opera Effect" (haters' slang) or "Natural Motion Effect" (lovers' slang) indicates an FI that only works on lowest levels and doesn't achieve the performance we've seen in DLP projectors utilizing Pixelworks' Motion Engine (e.g. Optoma, Vivitek and Acer).


I can only hope that resolving the FI software issues will also result in an improved FI performance which at this moment and depending on further tests rather sounds underwhelming to me.

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5000:1 dynamic contrast / 1480 calibrated lumens and 90% of DCI-P3 without the filter.
That's OK for me, with my 110' screen in a light controlled room (but not a batcave).

What is the contrast in Smart Eco?

Hopefully BenQ will iron out the bugs soon.
I'm looking forward to hear this and also I'd be interested to see gamut measurements with DCI-P3 filter (does it reach 100% as promised)? Due to my non existent french skills, I thought at first that 90% gamut with DCI-P3 was measured with filter on (which would have been quite disappointing result) but good to hear it was without.

Also it would be interesting to hear more how DI works in real use and are black bars in 2.35:1 material always pretty greyish?

Kraine, can you compare how DI works compared to BenQ's older models like W5000 or W20000 (if you have seen those ever)?
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Scotty thank you for the awesome pics I really enjoy the colors and sharpness on my HT 5550. Question regarding your unit does yours also make a loud grinding type sound with dynamic iris on?


No problem!

No - my unit doesn’t grind at all and the Iris actuation is actually pretty darn good on-screen. I am really enjoying this thing.

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Also it would be interesting to hear more how DI works in real use and are black bars in 2.35:1 material always pretty greyish?

Kraine, can you compare how DI works compared to BenQ's older models like W5000 or W20000 (if you have seen those ever)?

Out of curiosity I dug out a test of the older W5000 where max. contrast was measured at 4,750:1. Max. DI contrast for the W5700 (Rec. 709) was measured by Kraine to be 4,759:1.


So I'd expect black bars to be as greyish as those of the W5000 had been.

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Some pretty disappointing impressions so far. I was hyped about what I'd see regarding the 3550 and maybe wrongly assumed the 5550 would be a significant step up. Short throw doesn't work in my environment so the 3550 was a no go, and that 100% P3 color space was desirable.

I'm still reserving final judgement when I get my unit, which should hopefully be Tuesday.

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SAGE you have a good stance in the JVC forums also. Some of us cant stretch budget to the NX5 but the JVC LX-UH1... from what youve seen of the BenQ w5700 does it beat the JVC lx-UH1? Colours maybe but what about blacks?


I know its around 8 months old now but this video below shows the JVC LX-UH1 has good blacks for a DLP and maybe beats the epson 5040. I did hear JVC bulbs cost a lot though.


Whats you opinions on the JVC LX-UH1 vs BenQ w5700 ?






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxAmeofTTag

This is news to me. I think it's just that I've been around the forums in one form or another for so long...


As for the UH1 vs HT5550: I haven't seen the UH1 in person. But from what I know about both models-- and considering the open secret of the JVC's manufacture-- I would recommend the HT5550/W5700 over the UH1. Larger chassis, revised .47" DMD with significantly reduced light border, 3D compatibility, larger color gamut, etc. About the only thing the JVC has going for it at this point is the ability to adjust the speed of the iris. Something I'm hoping BenQ decides to implement in the future but not something I'm holding my breath for (BenQ has always opted for a single setting for lamp dimming, 'smart eco', rather than the adjustable dynamic black slider of some of it's competition).


As for the UH1 having better blacks than the Epson 5040ub. I'm not sure who said that or who is claiming that but it's simply isn't true. I'm a fan of DLP (surprise!) and DLP does plenty of things well: it's insanely sharp, has fantastic motion handling which is impervious to blur and motion artifacts, it's typically far more affordable and compact than competing tech, and it does really well with in scene contrast and high APL content like sports/TV owing to it's high ANSI contrast and pure white output. All that said, black levels are not it's strong suit. Native contrast for even the best DLPs is very often below 2000:1 and only exceeds that number by implementing lamp dimming or, in this case, an iris. Compare this to something like the Sony 45ES 1080p SXRD (lcos) which lacks any contrast boosting features such as lamp dimming or an iris but still manages a 6000:1 contrast ratio on the strength of it's native contrast alone.

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Finally an eyewitness report that conveys more information regarding the creative FI (Frame Interpolation) which doesnt sound too encouraging, add to this that there are apparently software issues (first mentioned in an eyewitness report of the Berlin presentation during the Berlinale film festival).


I'm increasingly certain that the absence of a "Soap Opera Effect" (haters' slang) or "Natural Motion Effect" (lovers' slang) indicates an FI that only works on lowest levels and doesn't achieve the performance we've seen in DLP projectors utilizing Pixelworks' Motion Engine (e.g. Optoma, Vivitek and Acer).


I can only hope that resolving the FI software issues will also result in an improved FI performance which at this moment and depending on further tests rather sounds underwhelming to me.

This is just my opinion but...

I’d really love them to carve out the MEMC on future releases. Even when it’s off, all DLPs that utilize this feature have higher input lag than those that don’t. I’d much rather have the faster gaming response than a motion interpolation feature which was originally concocted to fix an inherent limitation of LCD televisions: blur and poor motion resolution.


BUT, I get that some people really like the feature and that's why BenQ included it. I heard there was an issue with the first review samples where the MEMC would cause some dropped frames. BenQ has fixed those issues prior to release. On my HT3550, I've used it on it's lowest settings for some Netflix content. I like it-- but only because on the lowest setting I can't tell it's on. The second lowest setting is still what I would call acceptable which, despite the sound of it, is high praise from me. But all in all I can definitely do without. I see value in this feature for LCD based displays but, again IMO, for DLP it's a waste. I'd rather BenQ spend that money on something else inside the projector to improve performance.

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No - my unit doesn’t grind at all and the Iris actuation is actually pretty darn good on-screen. I am really enjoying this thing.

Thanks for the pics! To my eyes, I liked the sharpness and saturation of the 5550 the best between the two sets of pics. So, would you say you prefer the BenQ 5550 at this point over the Epson 5050?
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Youtube HDR or Not

Hello Scotty,

On the picture comparison's you just posted with the lizard, what source are you using? I ask because looking at your signature for equipment none of those appear able to display Youtube HDR, only 4K and was wondering if you could do the same picture comparison in the HDR colorspace with a proper source.
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Thanks for the pics! To my eyes, I liked the sharpness and saturation of the 5550 the best between the two sets of pics. So, would you say you prefer the BenQ 5550 at this point over the Epson 5050?
I think you just said it
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On the picture comparison's you just posted with the lizard, what source are you using? I ask because looking at your signature for equipment none of those appear able to display Youtube HDR, only 4K and was wondering if you could do the same picture comparison in the HDR colorspace with a proper source.
Shield YouTube 4K in SDR color space... I'll do some more HDR color space shots.

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Whats you opinions on the JVC LX-UH1 vs BenQ w5700 ?
I had the LX-UH1 here when it came out, and now have the W5700/HT5550 to try. I much prefer the BenQ. Images look better out of the box, and I feel the dynamic iris is working better on it (even if it's not as good as my Panasonic PT-AE8000U).
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I looked at BenQ Direct and they had the 9050 for less than 3K but no 9060. What is the difference between the 9050 and the 9060?

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I’d much rather have the faster gaming response than a motion interpolation feature which was originally concocted to fix an inherent limitation of LCD televisions: blur and poor motion resolution.

Not sure that's the origin. Philips' Dr. Haan conceived "Digital Natural Motion" as a feature to use the 100 Hz flicker-free performance of Eurpean CRT tube TVs in the late 1990's to create new interpolated images in an attempt to make images look more lifelike, natural and realistic.

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I see value in this feature for LCD based displays but, again IMO, for DLP it's a waste. I'd rather BenQ spend that money on something else inside the projector to improve performance.

Of course I respect your opinion on the matter, but frankly with creative Frame Interpolation (FI) BenQ is rather late to the party (Optoma, Acer and Vivitek have been long there) and considering FI implementation in many flat screens it was an overdue implementation, IMHO (why do flat screens have it but BenQ projectors don't?).


I've been enjoying top frame interpolation performance with my Optoma HD 8300 (as I'm a devoted fan of the 'Natural Motion Effect') since 2011 and with the prospect of upgrading, I understandably look forward to an equal or even better performance in my next front projector.
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Save up for a BenQ HT9060 refurb from BenQ direct, it actually doesn't cost that much more than a new ht5550, has better sharpness, very quiet, 20000hr HLD LED light source, better native contrast, and 1700 lumens calibrated in full dci p3 coverage mode.
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I looked at BenQ Direct and they had the 9050 for less than 3K but no 9060. What is the difference between the 9050 and the 9060?

Edit: Nevermind. No HDR on the 9050.

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Is it possible to show a picture in 1080p then the 4K comparisons?


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Yeah I'll try to get that as well in my comparisons.
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