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Maybe I missed it, but I can't find any references to the black floor during scene transitions. One of the differences between the HT3550 and the HT5550 was supposed to be the iris being capable of fully closing on the HT5550. Has anyone actually stepped frame by frame through a movie's transition to full black and verified the iris fully closes ? Is there any other light leakage from the HT5550, or is a fully black output possible ?
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I have not seen it fully closing while I had mine. Supposedly they are working on improved algorithms still, but from what I understand the PJ would have to be send back to upgrade it.

I've returned mine, so hopefully others have good news to tell with future updates!

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No, I have to use a variety of remotes to get it all working. The simplest setup is using my HTPC for surfing the web since the HDMI audio goes direct to the PJ and it's speaker, which is fine for Youtube. Otherwise, if I want 5.1 sound, I run the TV tuner, BD, HTPC, audio outs to my amp and feed the HDMI to the PJ via a 4-1 switch.
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I have not seen it fully closing while I had mine. Supposedly they are working on improved algorithms still, but from what I understand the PJ would have to be send back to upgrade it.

I've returned mine, so hopefully others have good news to tell with future updates!



Where did you hear they are workign on improved algorithms ?? If they did have an improved algorithm could it be updated via usb firmware or would it have to be sent back to BenQ?

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Where did you hear they are workign on improved algorithms ?? If they did have an improved algorithm could it be updated via usb firmware or would it have to be sent back to BenQ?
Your question was answered in my post

I believe both @scottyroo and @sage11x had confirmed that there were/are plans.
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Your question was answered in my post

I believe both @scottyroo and @sage11x had confirmed that there were/are plans.

Sorry mate ... was a quick reply this mornign and i skim read it .... i definately think there will be an algorithm update i can feel it in the air .... but based on the discussions on this forum pretty much every w5700 and w2700 owner would be sending it back to BenQ for an update ! thats alot of units to work on.

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pretty much every w5700 and w2700 owner would be sending it back to BenQ for an update ! thats alot of units to work on.
Yep, that together with no real news and a (current) dynamic iris not functioning as well as my current PJ and poorer black levels in general (which was expected) made me return it.

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Yep, that together with no real news and a (current) dynamic iris not functioning as well as my current PJ and poorer black levels in general (which was expected) made me return it.



Interesting .... DI tech is fairly older aswell.... may i ask and feel free to say no .... but at time of purchase was your current projector more or less than the price of the w5700 ? Your current projector isnt DLP ?

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So like many others, I have been watching the various threads for the BenQ 3550, 5550, and the Epson 5050. After seeing the size of the Epson 4010, I think the 5050 is ruled out for me.

Currently I am running a BenQ 1070 at 11 ft from a 106" screen. I sit at about 10 ft away.

My question is would it be better to get the 3550 as a nearly drop in replacement with the zoom set at about 15% or to run the 5550 mounted at the same distance with the zoom set at about 85%?
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So like many others, I have been watching the various threads for the BenQ 3550, 5550, and the Epson 5050. After seeing the size of the Epson 4010, I think the 5050 is ruled out for me.

Currently I am running a BenQ 1070 at 11 ft from a 106" screen. I sit at about 10 ft away.

My question is would it be better to get the 3550 as a nearly drop in replacement with the zoom set at about 15% or to run the 5550 mounted at the same distance with the zoom set at about 85%?

I would choose the 5550 with 85% zoom. Zoom (by which I mean optical zoom) is nothing to be concerned about as long as you are close enough to the screen to ensure you are still getting enough lumens, which from 11 feet shouldn't be a problem.
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Interesting .... DI tech is fairly older aswell.... may i ask and feel free to say no .... but at time of purchase was your current projector more or less than the price of the w5700 ? Your current projector isnt DLP ?
My current PJ is the Panasonic PT-AE8000U (3x LCD), which had an MSRP of $3,500. But, I got it a year (maybe longer?) later than when it came out and got it for almost $2K less. Also used to have an AE6000U which I think I paid over $4K for originally.

If I could have something like that again (with even better black level), true 4K pixels after shifting (instead of the 2x 1080p), great HDR tone mapping and ideally an LED / laser source in that sort of chassis I'd be super happy. But that does not seem to exist, yet.

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My current PJ is the Panasonic PT-AE8000U (3x LCD), which had an MSRP of $3,500. But, I got it a year (maybe longer?) later than when it came out and got it for almost $2K less. Also used to have an AE6000U which I think I paid over $4K for originally.

If I could have something like that again (with even better black level), true 4K pixels after shifting (instead of the 2x 1080p), great HDR tone mapping and ideally an LED / laser source in that sort of chassis I'd be super happy. But that does not seem to exist, yet.



Different technologies from DLP then ... Its a shame panasonic pulled out fo projector selling they seamed to be doing good with product qulaity but obviously not the sales. how old is the AE8000U as a model? its bacls are better than the w5700 but then again the w5700 is a DLP. Its a higher price tag also.


I guess if you waited a year or two you would have more bang for your buck

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First time post on any site, I’v Been reading posts for the last couple of months and have finally bought the BenQ W5700. I’ve had projectors for the past 20 years my last one being a Panasonic PT-AT6000E.
The BenQ is an amazing projector the picture for the money is superb. i thought like many people that lumens and contrast was everything so took a leap of faith with this projector having gone off reviews in the past.
I am amazed at the quality of picture in 4K and even hd, for the money this has to be the best value projector on the market.
I ordered it from Projector point and it was delivered the next day. One thing to mention is that it is sited in a dedicated cinema room so I don’t know what it would be like with ambient lighting.
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One thing to mention is that it is sited in a dedicated cinema room so I don’t know what it would be like with ambient lighting.
Mine's in a basement rec room with no natural light and I can turn off all room lighting when viewing. I thought it'd be a viable space since I can't see my hand in front of my face down there when the lights are off, maybe it's alright. Although, I have a white ceiling along with light colored walls and carpeting that all glow when the projector is on.

I wish I could experience it in a dedicated cinema room for comparison's sake. I don't know how much of a hit I'm taking from the reflective light. I did paint the screen wall black which makes the picture stand out so much more. It's already a terrific picture, if a dedicated cinema room can make it even better then I'm jealous. I can't black out my rec room, so I might have to get creative.
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Mine's in a basement rec room with no natural light and I can turn off all room lighting when viewing. I thought it'd be a viable space since I can't see my hand in front of my face down there when the lights are off, maybe it's alright. Although, I have a white ceiling along with light colored walls and carpeting that all glow when the projector is on.

I wish I could experience it in a dedicated cinema room for comparison's sake. I don't know how much of a hit I'm taking from the reflective light. I did paint the screen wall black which makes the picture stand out so much more. It's already a terrific picture, if a dedicated cinema room can make it even better then I'm jealous. I can't black out my rec room, so I might have to get creative.
I saw some folks online awhile back that made a sliding blackout type curtain on both sides and top of the room, which they would slide out when watching movies and slide back during the day. I thought that was pretty creative.
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Any thoughts on the contrast of the 5500 versus the 1070? A lot of people have talked about the regression of the 4k DLPs versus the good 1080p ones? I don't know how the 1070 stands up, but am curious on what I should expect if I buy this?
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I saw some folks online awhile back that made a sliding blackout type curtain on both sides and top of the room, which they would slide out when watching movies and slide back during the day. I thought that was pretty creative.
I hadn't even considered a solution like that. Thanks for the tip!
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Hey y’all. I just posted my video review of the HT5550 on YouTube. It will probably take a while for it to convert to 4K resolution on YouTube on the backend but it’s up!

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Hey y’all. I just posted my video review of the HT5550 on YouTube. It will probably take a while for it to convert to 4K resolution on YouTube on the backend but it’s up!

https://youtu.be/nrqIHsd0s9c
Just finished watching your review, it was excellent. Confirmed all of the reasons I bought the HT5550 :-) can't wait for the shootout vid.

One question I did have, is some of the default picture modes (including HDR10) have sharpness set to 15. I'm wondering if I should leave it maxed out when viewing 4k content or drop it to 8.

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Hey y’all. I just posted my video review of the HT5550 on YouTube. It will probably take a while for it to convert to 4K resolution on YouTube on the backend but it’s up!

https://youtu.be/nrqIHsd0s9c

Good stuff will look at in detail later.

When is the epson 5050 review going up ?
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Thanks for the great video Scottyroo! Really appreciate it. I have a UHD60 with no dynamic iris, so how much improvement in terms of black levels and contrast would you think there is to a projector like mine in comparison to the HT5550?
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Got a HT5550 the last time they were in stock, it got in on Friday. I'm coming in from a Vivitek H1182HD, and here's my observations so far:

1. It's HUGE. For whatever reason, even seeing it near the HT3550, I didn't realize just how gigantic this thing is.
2. Lens shift basically assumes you're at least level with the display height. Don't use it to make up for a projector that's too low. I had to use some bed risers to aim it high enough.
3. The mode changes take loooong. SR <-> HDR takes longer than going 2D <-> 3D did on the Vivitek, and 2D <-> 3D takes forever and a day. I pretty much have to pause from the get-go if I want to resume a 3D movie; obviously watching from the start is no problem as I don't miss anything but the opening logos.
4. My 4K HDR connection chain is trash. The X9S manages okay enough but the Apple TV just gives up and tops out at 1080p. Ordered a 4K/HDR/DV/HDCP2.2 receiver just to remove like 3 devices from said chain.
5. I'm sure XPR comes at some kind of price (especially for contrast) but FWIW it looks great to me. I don't see any inter-mirror gaps, and I notice the grain of my projector screen before any pixel distinctions.
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Hey y’all. I just posted my video review of the HT5550 on YouTube. It will probably take a while for it to convert to 4K resolution on YouTube on the backend but it’s up!

Scott, thanks for the info and many details. You may address this in your shootout video but would you rather have the Epson or BenQ in a non-light controlled environment? We are redoing the. basement into a theater/multipurpose room, but won't have complete black during the day.

Thanks again from another Happy Valley resident.
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Scott, thanks for the info and many details. You may address this in your shootout video but would you rather have the Epson or BenQ in a non-light controlled environment? We are redoing the. basement into a theater/multipurpose room, but won't have complete black during the day.

Thanks again from another Happy Valley resident.
Will the viewing still be done with lights off in the dark? Or will there be mixed use viewing during the day/ with lights on?

If the answer in the former, I don't think you can go wrong with either. If your focus is on gaming, The Epson is my pick. If your focus is on movies, the BenQ is my pick.

For mixed use viewing with lights on etc, the flexibility of Epson wins out here. The HT5550 isn't bad in these types of settings, but the extra brightness headroom of the Epson allows it be be viewed with lights on if that is worth the extra $500 to you. I will say that the HT5550 is much sharper while the Epson has better blacks. Both put out a great image and if you were to choose either in a vacuum, you'll be happy.

A few other alternatives to consider for high ambient light is the BenQ TK800M, Viewsonic LS-7004k (not yet released), and BenQ HT35550 bright variant (not yet named, or released). I think you'll have a few more options if you can wait a few months.

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Will the viewing still be done with lights off in the dark? Or will there be mixed use viewing during the day/ with lights on?

If the answer in the former, I don't think you can go wrong with either. If your focus is on gaming, The Epson is my pick. If your focus is on movies, the BenQ is my pick.

For mixed use viewing with lights on etc, the flexibility of Epson wins out here. The HT5550 isn't bad in these types of settings, but the extra brightness headroom of the Epson allows it be be viewed with lights on if that is worth the extra $500 to you. I will say that the HT5550 is much sharper while the Epson has better blacks. Both put out a great image and if you were to choose either in a vacuum, you'll be happy.

A few other alternatives to consider for high ambient light is the BenQ TK800M, Viewsonic LS-7004k (not yet released), and BenQ HT35550 bright variant (not yet named, or released). I think you'll have a few more options if you can wait a few months.
Thanks for the quick reply. Mostly it'd get used for movies/TV at night, only throwing onto a 100" screen, and we will have shades over the windows, but the room can't be pitch black for the lazy Saturday afternoon movie. Wife approval factor says darkish walls but not black, especially not on the ceiling. There will be some times we have a bunch of people over with ambient light in the far side of the family room for football games, parties, etc.

Anybody have measurements for lumens for in the different modes? Trying to see just how bright these would be in mostly dark but not cave-like environments.
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I've put about 10 hours on the HT5550 and I'm enjoying it. I returned the HT3550 which I put about 50 hours on. I didn't like the colors only hitting REC709 with the wcg off and with the WCG on it was too dim. With the HT5550 I can leave the WCG off and get deeper colors than the HT3550 provided with the WCG on. I'm hitting 27 FTL and drops to about 17.5 with the WCG turned on. The added color isn't worth the drop in light output.

The fan is MUCH quieter than the HT3550. The HT3550 was moving a lot of air in normal mode to the point of being too loud in quiet passages. I think with the larger size of the HT5550 it just has a hum to it and I don't hear air moving like a fan.

My only negative is the noise from the dynamic iris. Mine seems to rattle when being engaged. It is distracting to the point I've turned it off and am using smarteco lamp mode instead. I've heard others complain about the noise and some say it's normal. My room is really quiet and it stands out. The response of the iris is faster than the HT3550 and no pumping effect which I had with the HT3550 where it would go dark, light and then back to dark.

This is what I wanted the HT3550 to be but fell short. The HT5550 does everything much better and more refined. I don't have the issues with brilliant color turned on which I had with the HT3550 which added a green/turquoise hue to the image. I did have to mount the HT5550 about 16" further back than the HT3550 to get the same size of screen. It wasn't too big of a deal in my setup. I really like the horizontal lens shift to just dial it in that much tighter.

I still need to play with 3d content/settings. Currently watching Lucy UHD disc and looks amazing.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Mostly it'd get used for movies/TV at night, only throwing onto a 100" screen, and we will have shades over the windows, but the room can't be pitch black for the lazy Saturday afternoon movie. Wife approval factor says darkish walls but not black, especially not on the ceiling. There will be some times we have a bunch of people over with ambient light in the far side of the family room for football games, parties, etc.

Anybody have measurements for lumens for in the different modes? Trying to see just how bright these would be in mostly dark but not cave-like environments.
Both calibrated without filters on will be around 1,000-1,100 lumens. HT5550 in its best bright mode will be 1,400-1,500 lumens. 5050UB best bright mode will be around 1,900 lumens.
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Disney in their supreme benevolence has released their copyright claim on my Epson / BenQ video. Its probably not at comprehensive as it could be but spoiler alert is that these are both amazing projectors.

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Disney in their supreme benevolence has released their copyright claim on my Epson / BenQ video. Its probably not at comprehensive as it could be but spoiler alert is that these are both amazing projectors.

https://youtu.be/pfreFbP8IoE
Amazing job on this, you really showcased the key differences between the two devices. It was also interesting to be able to see the difference in input lag. The color and sharpness are winners for the BenQ, while the Epson definitely has better contrast and black levels, possibly even more pronounced than we can tell in the video. I didn't realize the limitations the Epson had with its motion enhancer for 4k content, and how it handled picture modes in HDR. I think the HDR tone of the Thor clip was much better on the Benq during the opening scene. I'm more than happy with my decision to go with the HT5550 based on all of the factors, and I'm not left feeling like I should have spent the extra $ for the Epson. If they can fix some of the little bugs with firmware updates, it'll be even better.

@scottyroo I've been following this, and the HT3550 thread for a while now, and all I can say is BenQ owes you commission on my purchase! :-)
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Disney in their supreme benevolence has released their copyright claim on my Epson / BenQ video. Its probably not at comprehensive as it could be but spoiler alert is that these are both amazing projectors.

https://youtu.be/pfreFbP8IoE
Amazing job! I recently got the HT3550 and is really considering upgrading to the HT5550 vs trying out another projector (although I can't argue you can't beat the price/performance ratio of the HT3550). I really like BenQ's sharpness, and the brightness and black levels of the Epson doesn't seem to make too much of a difference in real world settings. Say that I would like both BenQ's sharpness and natural colors, and as well as Epson's brightness potential and black levels, would you say that JVC X790R has both? Maybe with enough waiting, I might be able to find a used X790R for $3k or so.

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