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So, does it only do ~1000 lumens without the filter as well? My understanding was that without the filter, the 5550 gave around ~1600 lumens, and that with the filter on, the loss of brightness was only a small fraction, smaller than the loss of brightness as compared to the 3550 and the Epson.
I would reserve my judgement as to exactly how bright this projector is and how much of P3 it can cover without the filter until we get some reviews with some actual measurements. Kraine's review got less than 1000 lumens for the w2700. I'm skeptical that the W5700 will be drastically different.

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If the projector can do 0.004ft lambert blacks or preferably a little lower and the iris works well id consider this as my next projector upgrade, but if the iris is poor and it cannot do the black levels of my current DLP then its no go, i like DLP motion but the tech has gone backwards not forwards with regards black levels.
Same here. I hope this could go to at least 0.004ft or 0.003ft, preferably even little lower since that is about what my W5000 is about capable of. Probably it goes even a bit lower with worn lamp. Black level is not excellent but definitely very good to acceptable for me since colours are excellent when calibrated and high ansi contrast with sharp optics makes picture look nice and punchy, even it is rather dim. I'd hate to downgrade from that. I also hope sharpness would be in the same level as in 0.95" DLP's but probably that might be too much to ask for a chip 1/4 sized combined with optics in rather low priced projector.

What is your current projector?

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I would reserve my judgement as to exactly how bright this projector is and how much of P3 it can cover without the filter until we get some reviews with some actual measurements. Kraine's review got less than 1000 lumens for the w2700. I'm skeptical that the W5700 will be drastically different.

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/
Agreed. I wish I had the tools to measure this right now. I'm eyeballing it, but hopefully giving you a good feel from a real end-user's perspective on what this PJ is like.

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Agreed. I wish I had the tools to measure this right now. I'm eyeballing it, but hopefully giving you a good feel from a real end-user's perspective on what this PJ is like.

We appreciate your efforts! Looking forward to your final impressions!
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Getting tired of waiting for my 3550 to ever get shipped, so now I'm starting to think about the 5550!

Any idea on when this will be available for sale?

And also the pricing I'm hearing is around $2500?

And last but not least, you can only get this from benq direct?

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Getting the scene set for the shootout. Epson 5050UB arrives tomorrow


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Spoiler!


That's a sweet setup.

Can you comment on the black levels/contrast compared to a regular cinema (just eye-balling it)?

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That's a sweet setup.

Can you comment on the black levels/contrast compared to a regular cinema (just eye-balling it)?
Today's cinema-going experience isn't that fantastic because they don't do a great job masking with digital projectors anymore. Additionally, they have to have house lights dimmed and stairs lit so there is light bouncing all over the place. And it HIGHLY depends on the brightness of the projector/age of light source they are using. If I go to cinemas I enjoy Cinemark XD, Digital IMAX,and 70mm IMAX screens. It also seems that within the last 4-5 years volume has been turned down by a good bit in theater houses probably to avoid any hearing loss lawsuits. There aren't a ton of screens that shake me like they used to... unless I do the D-box thing.

With all that said, I highly prefer my setup compared to going to a cinema. It sounds better, looks better, and is more comfortable.

Also with that said, theater ceilings are much higher above the screen than my ceiling is. Therefore, reflections are almost nil at a cinema. I have eggshell black paint and it is much worse at reflections than I thought it would be. My stage carpet is also a light gray. SOOO... tomorrow I'm taking delivery of 60 yards of triple black velvet and am completely covering my ceiling with it. Time will tell if I also to the front section of walls. I'm also going to recarpet the stage with Masland 9439 889 black carpet. This should help me get much better on screen blacks and contrast. Since I've already put so much time and effort into this space, I figure this will be the last mile to greatness

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Getting tired of waiting for my 3550 to ever get shipped, so now I'm starting to think about the 5550!



Any idea on when this will be available for sale?



And also the pricing I'm hearing is around $2500?



And last but not least, you can only get this from benq direct?



Thanks


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Getting the scene set for the shootout. Epson 5050UB arrives tomorrow

scottyroo, do you have any experience with the JVC lx-uh1? Wondering how the 5550 compares, since it does 3d.
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scottyroo, do you have any experience with the JVC lx-uh1? Wondering how the 5550 compares, since it does 3d.
I tried the LX-UH1 in my white living room and I returned it. The image was nice and sharp, but I felt the auto iris did very little (especially for black level). Increased resolution was definitely very noticeable over my Panasonic PT-AE8000U 1080p projector.

Out of the box the colors (especially in HDR) looked fantastic and way better than my existing projector. But the black levels were much worse. When I tweaked the projector to be closer (but never matching or improving on them) to my Panasonic black levels the colors started to get much more muted to the point where they were worse than the Panasonic as well.

From everything scottyroo & sage11 have mentioned so far it sounds like the auto HDR mapping is much much better in these new BenQ projectors which I hope will help (dramatically) with the above mentioned issues that I had with the LX-UH1.

Hopefully I'll get to find out soon....
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I tried the LX-UH1 in my white living room and I returned it. The image was nice and sharp, but I felt the auto iris did very little (especially for black level). Increased resolution was definitely very noticeable over my Panasonic PT-AE8000U 1080p projector.

Out of the box the colors (especially in HDR) looked fantastic and way better than my existing projector. But the black levels were much worse. When I tweaked the projector to be closer (but never matching or improving on them) to my Panasonic black levels the colors started to get much more muted to the point where they were worse than the Panasonic as well.

From everything scottyroo & sage11 have mentioned so far it sounds like the auto HDR mapping is much much better in these projectors which I hope helps (dramatically) with the above mentioned issues that I had with the LX-UH1.

Hopefully I'll get to find out soon....

very good information, thanks for sharing. I have ruled the JVC out because I have a small investment in 3D that I just don't want to give up yet. I have never had DLP before, always LCD/LCoS. The sharpness and smooth 3d intrigues me about the DLPs but not sure it is worth giving up the contrast for. Trying to wait patiently for comparisons between Epson 5050 and HT5550.
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I tried the LX-UH1 in my white living room and I returned it. The image was nice and sharp, but I felt the auto iris did very little (especially for black level). Increased resolution was definitely very noticeable over my Panasonic PT-AE8000U 1080p projector.



Out of the box the colors (especially in HDR) looked fantastic and way better than my existing projector. But the black levels were much worse. When I tweaked the projector to be closer (but never matching or improving on them) to my Panasonic black levels the colors started to get much more muted to the point where they were worse than the Panasonic as well.



From everything scottyroo & sage11 have mentioned so far it sounds like the auto HDR mapping is much much better in these new BenQ projectors which I hope will help (dramatically) with the above mentioned issues that I had with the LX-UH1.



Hopefully I'll get to find out soon....


I would expect the HT5550 to outperform the UH1 in many if not most areas... with that said I wouldn’t expect a dramatic improvement in blacks over the UH1.

DLP has a lot of strengths but as you go up in price, contrast/blacks aren’t one of them. Personally, I tend to prefer DLP because I like the sharp image and high motion handling. The Ht5550 and UH1 are right in that range where ultra high contrast projectors (5040ub, 6040ub and the new 5050ub) start to become available. Those Epsons will have superior contrast blacks but at the expense of not being as sharp or nearly as crisp when it comes to motion. Still, contrast is an important aspect of picture quality and I’ll be interested to see how Scott’s comparison goes.

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very good information, thanks for sharing. I have ruled the JVC out because I have a small investment in 3D that I just don't want to give up yet. I have never had DLP before, always LCD/LCoS. The sharpness and smooth 3d intrigues me about the DLPs but not sure it is worth giving up the contrast for. Trying to wait patiently for comparisons between Epson 5050 and HT5550.
I'd like to have 3D capability as well. If I would've stuck with the LX-UH1 I simply wouldn't have used that feature for a few years until a LED/laser projector was feasible

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DLP has a lot of strengths but as you go up in price, contrast/blacks aren’t one of them.
Understood. As long as it can at least match what I currently have I'll be okay. I know I'll never have super black levels due to my environment.

There are very few projectors that fit for me because it's either not sharp enough (from what I've seen), placement is too restricted (like HT3550), color wheel too slow/not enough segments, no dynamic iris or 10 gbps only. I can sort of forgive no 3D, but ideally my new projector would have that too.

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I just ordered the 3550 from Benq earlier today and I am upgrading from a BenQ HT1075. I did have the TK800 for a few weeks but did not like the bright light border it was bad. My question is the 5550 that much better ($1k price difference) than the 3550 if I Am coming from 1075 and TK800? Nice thing about the 5550 is the throw distance area since I have a 120 screen and recently installed the TK800 I would be able to use the same mount installation.
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Also with that said, theater ceilings are much higher above the screen than my ceiling is. Therefore, reflections are almost nil at a cinema. I have eggshell black paint and it is much worse at reflections than I thought it would be.

Welcome to the club. I got myself pretty good looking acoustic tiles (from China) with which I hope to catch two birds with one stone (i.e. elimination of ceiling reflection and acoustic room improvement). For installation I use thin plastic sheets onto which I glue the tiles (before fixing these to the ceiling) with a special liquid glue from 3M designed for acoustic foam
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Welcome to the club. I got myself pretty good looking acoustic tiles (from China) with which I hope to catch two birds with one stone (i.e. elimination of ceiling reflection and acoustic room improvement). For installation I use thin plastic sheets onto which I glue the tiles (before fixing these to the ceiling) with a special liquid glue from 3M designed for acoustic foam
So does your "acoustic foam" look like open cell polyurethane? All the samples of acoustic foam I see are just that. I get it in small sheets for free and have contemplated using fabric glue and gluing it to foam core board and putting it up. And just keep making them as I get it and put it up.


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So does your "acoustic foam" look like open cell polyurethane? .

Yes, here is a link to an Amazon US offer but measurements seem wrong (mine are 1 ft. x 1 ft. or 30 x 30 cm, I'm in the process of trying to identify the actual manufacturer): https://www.amazon.com/Quaanti-Absor...2C595&sr=8-275


They are pretty dark and get very close to what you could call "black" and they look quite better than most other acoustic foam materials, IMHO. In my case shipping was an issue because they were all tightly packed and deformed and needed a literal water and sun bath to regain the original shape.

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Yes, here is a link to an Amazon US offer but measurements seem wrong (mine are 1 ft. x 1 ft. or 30 x 30 cm, I'm in the process of trying to identify the actual manufacturer): https://www.amazon.com/Quaanti-Absor...2C595&sr=8-275


They are pretty dark and get very close to what you could call "black" and they look quite better than most other acoustic foam materials, IMHO. In my case shipping was an issue because they were all tightly packed and deformed and needed a literal water and sun bath to regain the original shape.
Hmmm... I'm going to buy some rit black dye and toss some in a tub and see how dark they get. Might just use them and the foam core instead of buying velvet. The one product I sell is packaged with the stuff. So I can fill trash bags worth of it in no time.

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The foam rubber will only absorb the high frequencies and will have little impact on mid and low frequencies. As a result, the room frequency response will be skewed toward the mids and lows. You really want broadband adsorption and diffusion rather than high frequency adsorption alone.

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Scotty! When are you gonna give us your impressions on the 5550? I was leaning towards the Epson, but I would have to get the 6050 in order for it to be compatible with my anamorphic lens. And that's jumping majorly up in price and getting to a point where I'd almost jump to a JVC. If the blacks on the Benq are even halfways decent, I may go that route as it sounds like it does a good job with HDR and I really do love the sharpness of DLP. I have a 138" scope screen. Do you think the 5550 would be bright enough to light that up? Can you check to see if theBenq has vertical stretch for a lens? Cheers and thanks for doing these comparisons.

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Scotty! When are you gonna give us your impressions on the 5550? I was leaning towards the Epson, but I would have to get the 6050 in order for it to be compatible with my anamorphic lens. And that's jumping majorly up in price and getting to a point where I'd almost jump to a JVC. If the blacks on the Benq are even halfways decent, I may go that route as it sounds like it does a good job with HDR and I really do love the sharpness of DLP. I have a 138" scope screen. Do you think the 5550 would be bright enough to light that up? Can you check to see if theBenq has vertical stretch for a lens? Cheers and thanks for doing these comparisons.


Working on the review!

I owe you all a quick update. I shared the issues I was having with the focus and iris and BenQ agreed that the behavior was anomalous. They sent me out a replacement to swap and the new unit has really fantastic performance in both the iris and the sharpness departments! Iris doesn’t seem to be exhibiting the pumping behavior from before. I feel comfortable leaving it to ‘on’ at all times just like the HT3550. Also the sharpness is uniform edge to edge. Put my nose to the screen to pixel peep and I can definitely make out individual pixels! What a relief!

The HT5550 is a dark room’s friend but yes, it will be bright enough to throw a 138” image on the screen. No vertical stretch right now unfortunately although it is something I’ve engaged their Product Manager on. I feel they need it to compete with the Epsons’ placement prowess so hopefully they will listen to us. Sounds like they might consider it in a future firmware update though.
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I owe you all a quick update. I shared the issues I was having with the focus and iris and BenQ agreed that the behavior was anomalous. They sent me out a replacement to swap and the new unit has really fantastic performance in both the iris and the sharpness departments! Iris doesn’t seem to be exhibiting the pumping behavior from before. I feel comfortable leaving it to ‘on’ at all times just like the HT3550. Also the sharpness is uniform edge to edge. Put my nose to the screen to pixel peep and I can definitely make out individual pixels! What a relief!

The HT5550 is a dark room’s friend but yes, it will be bright enough to throw a 138” image on the screen. No vertical stretch right now unfortunately although it is something I’ve engaged their Product Manager on. I feel they need it to compete with the Epsons’ placement prowess so hopefully they will listen to us. Sounds like they might consider it in a future firmware update though.
Dangit! That's the one thing I truly need. It's great for movies, but I do have an Oppo to do the stretch if I need it, but where it truly shines is PC gaming. Being able to use my lens to play games like Forza 7 in super widescreen is simply amazing. I've emailed them and asked them if it's something they can include in a future update. Thanks for your impressions. Any thoughts on black levels? Acceptable? I'm not a black level junkie like some of the JVC purists are, but my current DLPs blacks are, well, grey. The picture is great, but the really dark scenes show its weakness. It's the Optoma HD3300 and even for that budget projector it has anamorphic stretch. It really should be included in all projectors above the 2K price range.

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Thank you Scotty! Can't wait

Do you happen to have The Dark Knight in 4K? If so, would love to see chapter 2 (6 minutes in) where there's a helicopter shot at night over the city. If you could have that scene shown on all 3 projectors at the same time that would be amazing.

It's one of the scenes I was very disappointed with on the JVC LX-UH1 compared to my existing Panasonic PT-AE8000. It would be interesting to see how these 3 projectors render that one. Obviously the Epson will win that one, but it would be really nice to see how the HT5550 compares to it.
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I am also waiting for your comparison . Thanks Scotty

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Do you happen to have The Dark Knight in 4K? If so, would love to see chapter 2 (6 minutes in) where there's a helicopter shot at night over the city. If you could have that scene shown on all 3 projectors at the same time that would be amazing.



It's one of the scenes I was very disappointed with on the JVC LX-UH1 compared to my existing Panasonic PT-AE8000. It would be interesting to see how these 3 projectors render that one. Obviously the Epson will win that one, but it would be really nice to see how the HT5550 compares to it.


Dang I don’t have that one in 4K. Only 1080p. I’ll see if they are running any $6 specials on vudu

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Thanks for your patience! These thorough reviews take quite a bit of time
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