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The BenQ W2700 review is online :

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/

For JackB and all the english readers you will find the translation in English at the end of the test.

Greg, thanks a lot for your review! Super awesome information! I'm a bit ouf of the loop here, what happened to your old review site? I was still able to pull some old review info for comparison purposes:

5030UB/TW9200: http://web.archive.org/web/201607230...du-projecteur/
5040UB/TW9300: http://web.archive.org/web/201611290...on-eh-tw9300w/

I'm trying to decide between waiting on the HT3550/W2700, and pulling the trigger on the refurb 5040UB/TW9300. So far, conclusions are (correct me if I'm wrong):

Benq:
- Better at 4K
- Sharper
- Smaller / Lighter
- Lamp Life / Warranty

Epson:
- More controls (all motorized)
- Better contrast
- No rainbows


Looks like the Benq is a solid winner if you are flexible with placement and not rainbow sensitive? The question of contrast remains, how much better the Epson truly is? Is the sacrifice on sharpness on the Epson worth the gain in contrast?

Appreciate your input!
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The BenQ W2700 review is online :

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/

For JackB and all the english readers you will find the translation in English at the end of the test.
Thank you for the English version of your review! All the pictures in that review are quite small (doesn't help I'm on a 4K monitor)? The light border comparison is so small it's hard to see the border difference on my screen

At the end of the review you write:

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Thanks to BenQ for this French exclusivity of the first test of a production model… and I announce right now that I am hot and hot to book the same fate for the W5700.
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If I read @sage11x posts correctly the following needs to be true to achieve the above numbers?

- 4K XPR operating normally
- MEMC OFF
- 4K pixel enhancer set to zero
- iris OFF
- not in silent mode
- either vivid or cinema

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If I read @sage11x posts correctly the following needs to be true to achieve the above numbers?

- 4K XPR operating normally
- MEMC OFF
- 4K pixel enhancer set to zero
- iris OFF
- not in silent mode
- either vivid or cinema
Mostly correct.

Iris on or off only impacted 1 which is well within margin of error. I was getting 59-60 with iris on. I don't think the iris is pre-rendering frames. It is reacting to what is happening in real time and is probably getting the same output feed from the video processing chip as the DMD is. I don't think Iris is in pre-processing chain.

Picture mode did not make a difference in my testing.

Interesting, I only got into the 50s when I turned "HDR" from "auto" to "off". I was getting 62-63ms before that (same as sage) and 57-58 after. I think taking the HDR sensing out of the chain helped. So on HDR gaming expect 62ms lag with a nice HDR image on screen. 58ms if you can set HDR to off when gaming without HDR.

Last night I also measured the TK800M that I am currently reviewing. I did about 10 tests and the TK800M was consistently 42-45ms and even got a reading as low as 36ms. I think Sage is right. The presence of MEMC, even when off, is adding 20ms of input lag. As much as I think some people like MEMC for sports on the upcoming bright variant of the HT3550, I personally would prefer 20ms less input lag. Some may not even notice that 20ms though.

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Hey sage, have you had a chance to complete your full comparison review between the HT3550 and the HT2050a? I recall seeing some pictures between the two, and some posts here and there, but maybe I missed the full review. Post #2 in this Thread still shows Reserved for that Comparison.

That's still my big variable before deciding if I want to give this a try.

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He did post a pretty thorough comparison including very illustrative side by side screen shots:


See post 184 of this thread.


True he hasn't updated post 2 to point to this info, but anyway there it is.
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He did post a pretty thorough comparison including very illustrative side by side screen shots:


See post 184 of this thread.


True he hasn't updated post 2 to point to this info, but anyway there it is.
I read those when posted. If you read post 184, @sage11x stated he's still working on the comparison but here is a sneak peak. He posted some pictures on the next couple of posts.

I assumed a more detailed written comparison was coming, but maybe I had a wrong assumption.

@sage11x Were you planning on providing more data for a comparison review between the HT2050a and HT3550 than in posts 184-186? If not, that is fine, I don't want to pressure for any additional info. I can always PM you with specific questions. I think you asked for what folks wanted to see in the comparison, which is why I thought more info was forthcoming.
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Last night I also measured the TK800M that I am currently reviewing. I did about 10 tests and the TK800M was consistently 42-45ms and even got a reading as low as 36ms. I think Sage is right. The presence of MEMC, even when off, is adding 20ms of input lag. As much as I think some people like MEMC for sports on the upcoming bright variant of the HT3550, I personally would prefer 20ms less input lag. Some may not even notice that 20ms though.
Thanks for the extra info. Does the TK800M not have a MEMC at all then?

Maybe they can tweak the firmware further in the case you have it disabled.

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Thanks for the extra info. Does the TK800M not have a MEMC at all then?

Maybe they can tweak the firmware further in the case you have it disabled.
Correct, the TK800M does not have MEMC as it is an iterative update of the TK800 last year using the same chipset. The only things that changed are the lens (better) and the DMD (no gray border). Those are two pretty big upgrades if you ask me, but this will represent the value offering for BenQ in their 4K lineup.

I have asked about the firmware and it's not likely. At the end of the day, this projector is focused for film lovers and color-accuracy nuts on a budget. It's not the worst projector for gaming. The Optoma UHDxx's all have 70-90ms of input lag. Far from it and I think not all, but most will be happy with it for its well rounded performance.

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Hey guys..... See my picture for placement explanation.

I have my projector above my seating position but NOT ceiling mounted. Can the HT 3550 projector be installed in this way? The lens cover looks to be in the way. In other words I project down while the projector is in the upright position. Thanks
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I have my projector above my seating position but NOT ceiling mounted. Can the HT 3550 projector be installed in this way? The lens cover looks to be in the way. In other words I project down while the projector is in the upright position. Thanks
No, you have to flip it over upside down like it would be mounted on the ceiling for that to work. It doesn't have enough lens shift to do it the other way.

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No, you have to flip it over upside down like it would be mounted on the ceiling for that to work. It doesn't have enough lens shift to do it the other way.

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Well that sucks. I didn't realize how good I had it with my Epson 8500UB's ability to adjust with massive lens shift. It was my first and only projector and I guess I just thought all projectors had that same lens shift.
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I propose an ISO 27001.lensshift standard for all manufacturers with a mechanism from a monopoly. Maybe Dolby can sell it


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Besides HDR, are all the cool features such as dynamic iris also available for HD content?

Since all my contents are still 1080p, I've been looking to get HT2050A or HT2150ST (short throw for more flexibility if I ended up in a smaller apartment).

I've started buying 4K Blu-rays when they go on sale but I don't own a capable player yet. Reading about HT3550 is making me wonder if I should splurge for the future-proof 4K model now...
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Besides HDR, are all the cool features such as dynamic iris also available for HD content?



Since all my contents are still 1080p, I've been looking to get HT2050A or HT2150ST (short throw for more flexibility if I ended up in a smaller apartment).



I've started buying 4K Blu-rays when they go on sale but I don't own a capable player yet. Reading about HT3550 is making me wonder if I should splurge for the future-proof 4K model now...


Yep you can use all those setting such as dynamic iris in HD mode.

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I tried the calculator and it tell me center of lense to ceiling is 4 inch.... what is the smallest distance you can get from ceiling to lense with it flush mounted? I doubt it would be 4 inch or less when you include the mount? Screen is 124x70 and top of screen is 4 inch from ceiling.
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Well that sucks. I didn't realize how good I had it with my Epson 8500UB's ability to adjust with massive lens shift. It was my first and only projector and I guess I just thought all projectors had that same lens shift.
Yeah, unfortunately that's something more common in the 3 LCD projectors starting at the mid price range.

It looks like you might be able to mount it to the "ceiling" of your alcove? Or you could put another shelf near the top and mount it upside down under that?

Either case you'll want to make sure that your image won't be too low then, so use the BenQ projector calculator (or get a more flexible projector I guess)

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I read those when posted. If you read post 184, @sage11x stated he's still working on the comparison but here is a sneak peak. He posted some pictures on the next couple of posts.

I assumed a more detailed written comparison was coming, but maybe I had a wrong assumption.

@sage11x Were you planning on providing more data for a comparison review between the HT2050a and HT3550 than in posts 184-186? If not, that is fine, I don't want to pressure for any additional info. I can always PM you with specific questions. I think you asked for what folks wanted to see in the comparison, which is why I thought more info was forthcoming.
Sorry, I had a killer week last week and imposed a 'no avs' rule for myself this past weekend so that's why I've been slow responding to mentions and quotes.


No pressure at all. I'm sorry it has taken me so long. I have a write-up ready to go. I should be able to post it tonight once I return home.

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He did post a pretty thorough comparison including very illustrative side by side screen shots:


See post 184 of this thread.


True he hasn't updated post 2 to point to this info, but anyway there it is.
I appreciate that but, yes, to Tony's point I did promise this and after New York life just sort of got in the way. I got free this weekend for a couple hours to transcribe my notes into something legible and I should be able to post it tonight after I get home.

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Sorry, I had a killer week last week and imposed a 'no avs' rule for myself this past weekend so that's why I've been slow responding to mentions and quotes.


No pressure at all. I'm sorry it has taken me so long. I have a write-up ready to go. I should be able to post it tonight once I return home.
No hurry on that. Take your time and do what you need to do. I was just checking to see if there was more coming at some point.
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Called ProjectorPeople to asked then has there been any update , Was told it shows shipping by the end of the day today .
For some reason i really thought that .


Nvm i take it back. Already gave me shipment confirmation & got my tracking #.
Not bad i guess ordered last week on thursday i think it was shipped monday .

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Unless you have a fairly well blacked out room the light (reflected on walls/from other sources) will significantly affect the contrast/black levels. I'm not sure how a better projector, like a JVC will fare, but a lot of it's contrast capabilities will be lost. The HT3550/W2700 is probably the best 4K projector right now under living room environment (for mostly lights out viewing).

If motorized zoom and greater lens shift are needed, the the Epson 4010/TW 7400 would be the choice, but that's $500 more. The minimum throw range on the Epson is x1.35 vs the x1.13 on the Benq.

More info here:https://projectiondream.com/en/contr...r-environment/
This is a greatly detailed link, thanks!

I found something similar some time back but not nearly as informative. (This screenshot below is the LG Cinebeam 4k laser projector, before and after blacking out a room with fabric to illustrate the difference ( from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlIJ56d3Zrs around time 9:32s).

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This is a greatly detailed link, thanks!

I found something similar some time back but not nearly as informative. (This screenshot below is the LG Cinebeam 4k laser projector, before and after blacking out a room with fabric to illustrate the difference ( from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlIJ56d3Zrs around time 9:32s).

@wk11793 - hopefully this helps!
Thanks - I do have black velvet covering the ceiling and walls for the few first feet around my screen. It's not complete coverage as the wall opposite the screen is white and only partially covered but the best I can do without having a dedicated theater room. I do find that covering the black bars on the top/bottom or using a scope screen significantly improves the perceived contrast - the grayish black bars are a major distraction for me. I'm hopeful it will be less apparent on the HT3550 if I decide to upgrade.
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This is a greatly detailed link, thanks!

I found something similar some time back but not nearly as informative. (This screenshot below is the LG Cinebeam 4k laser projector, before and after blacking out a room with fabric to illustrate the difference ( from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlIJ56d3Zrs around time 9:32s).

@wk11793 - hopefully this helps!

that's quite the difference ! getting ready to do some black-out curtains and black velvet panels around the screen myself.
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that's quite the difference ! getting ready to do some black-out curtains and black velvet panels around the screen myself.


+1 here! Just ordered 2 bolts of triple black to cover my ceiling.
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I propose an ISO 27001.lensshift standard for all manufacturers with a mechanism from a monopoly.

As a matter of fact I strongly advocate such a thing as the budget DLP projector ""lens shift"" is a never ending source of placement confusion, and IMHO to call this 'offset reducer' "lens shift" almost constitutes a euphemism.


In the early 2000's we had plenty of DLP (and still LCD) projectors that used a true lens shift and enabling their users to put the projectors at almost any level they desire (e.g. Sharp, Marantz etc.)


Why current DLP home theater projectors still feature a basic business application design (i.e. designed for desktop use the projector will project the image higher so that everyone in the boarding room sees the picture without the heads of your table neigbors in the way) is somewhat beyond me.


All which these 'lens shifts' accomplish is to reduce the so-called offset, so that it is possible that the bottom of the projected image (table-mounted) is on the same horizontal level as the projection lens (or the top of the projected image in a ceiling-mount scenario).




^ That's not "lens shift" in the traditional sense but "offset reduction"!

Heck, my Infocus IN76 did this out of the box and if you really had a high ceiling you could always lower the ceiling mount (while in contrast, it's rather impossible to hang the projector higher unless you remove your ceiling...).


With the BenQ HT5550 / W5700 we do finally see a return of true or real lens shift to an affordable DLP projector, but maybe BenQ should highlight that as true lens shift so that interested consumers understand that this isn't the 'lens shift' we somehow got used to with all those recent 4K DLP projectors...
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@sage11x If I got with the HT3550, will I need to move my mount left or right in comparison to where I have the HT2050a?

Also, when you (or anyone else) mount one of these smaller PJs, do you try and center the mount to the holes, or to the Center Point of the weight of the PJ?
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@sage11x If I got with the HT3550, will I need to move my mount left or right in comparison to where I have the HT2050a?



Also, when you (or anyone else) mount one of these smaller PJs, do you try and center the mount to the holes, or to the Center Point of the weight of the PJ?
The projector actually has a spot on it labeled center of mass, and it's not in the exact center of the projector. I don't know if that's common for recent Benq projectors, I know my ht1075 didn't have that.

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@sage11x If I got with the HT3550, will I need to move my mount left or right in comparison to where I have the HT2050a?



Also, when you (or anyone else) mount one of these smaller PJs, do you try and center the mount to the holes, or to the Center Point of the weight of the PJ?


With lower priced mounts I always try to center for weight. This can help avoid drift over time. For the last couple of years BenQ has included a target along the bottom (top?) of the projector to make that easier.

You’ll barely need to adjust the positioning. The HT3550’s lens is just slightly further to the outside of the case than the HT2050A (which is more towards the center).

The HT3550, thankfully, has more spaced apart holes than last year’s HT2550. Unfortunately, the HT3550 continues a trend where the bottom of the projector isn’t perfectly flat so you’ll need a mount that has short legs for it’s mounting arms or you’ll need to buy some longer screws and spacers.

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