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You're TV's lag has probably been measured and you can probably google it and find it, for comparison.
Thank you that's a good point however I am not able to find the lag value for my tv... My model is Panasonic 43EX480DX..any indicators would be really helpful

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Does this projector have any horizontal shift at all, or does the lens need to be perfectly centered horizontally?
Did you find this out?

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No horizontal lens shift. No horizontal keystone either. Projector needs to be centered on the screen.
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Thank you that's a good point however I am not able to find the lag value for my tv... My model is Panasonic 43EX480DX..any indicators would be really helpful

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Not familiar with that specific model but hdtvtest put most of the DX series Panasonics around 38-40ms.
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Not familiar with that specific model but hdtvtest put most of the DX series Panasonics around 38-40ms.
Thank you that doubles my lag roughly i guess... I will just have to hope its not too bad.. Or wait for more gamers to test and respond... Projectorcentral review also said it's not too bad

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No horizontal lens shift. No horizontal keystone either. Projector needs to be centered on the screen.
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Thank you that doubles my lag roughly i guess... I will just have to hope its not too bad.. Or wait for more gamers to test and respond... Projectorcentral review also said it's not too bad

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The definition of what is and isn't acceptable for gamers is subjective and varies from site to site and reviewer to reviewer.


The website DisplayLag.com places display lag into four categories:


20ms and below: "Excellent"
21ms - 40ms: "Great"
41ms - 60ms: "Okay"
Above 60ms: "Bad"


But keep in mind this is a fighting game focused website that reviews gaming monitors and TVs. Traditionally, projectors have had higher levels of lag although that has changed dramatically in the last few years. My recommendation has always been to try and stay at or below 34ms for any serious gaming. The general consensus is that people become aware of lag when the TOTAL lag exceeds 160ms (10 frames). By total I mean the complete end to end lag between the controller and the screen. If the game itself adds 8 frames of lag (128ms-- which is actually pretty typical) then the amount of lag your display can add before the total system lag becomes noticeable shrinks to 32ms. Make sense?

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The definition of what is and isn't acceptable for gamers is subjective and varies from site to site and reviewer to reviewer.


The website DisplayLag.com places display lag into four categories:


20ms and below: "Excellent"
21ms - 40ms: "Great"
41ms - 60ms: "Okay"
Above 60ms: "Bad"


But keep in mind this is a fighting game focused website that reviews gaming monitors and TVs. Traditionally, projectors have had higher levels of lag although that has changed dramatically in the last few years. My recommendation has always been to try and stay at or below 34ms for any serious gaming. The general consensus is that people become aware of lag when the TOTAL lag exceeds 160ms (10 frames). By total I mean the complete end to end lag between the controller and the screen. If the game itself adds 8 frames of lag (128ms-- which is actually pretty typical) then the amount of lag your display can add before the total system lag becomes noticeable shrinks to 32ms. Make sense?
Your answer helps put things into a bit of a perspective but i guess end of the day I have to take a leap of faith. Also I play mostly adventure and rpg games so that is a solace to help with that.
End of the day it puts me in a tough spot to decide whether to go with 4k and generally higher lags or 1080p with minimal lag. I am leaning towards the former.
Additionally i have some time I can wait for around 3 4 months. Are the other manufactures going to refresh their line ups like benq? Where can i read more about this?

Also the game adding 130ms delay seems to be a big part of the equation.. What is the technical term for this? I want to read bit more on this and educate myself. For ps4 pro this number might be different as well

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Your answer helps put things into a bit of a perspective but i guess end of the day I have to take a leap of faith. Also I play mostly adventure and rpg games so that is a solace to help with that.
End of the day it puts me in a tough spot to decide whether to go with 4k and generally higher lags or 1080p with minimal lag. I am leaning towards the former.
Additionally i have some time I can wait for around 3 4 months. Are the other manufactures going to refresh their line ups like benq? Where can i read more about this?

Also the game adding 130ms delay seems to be a big part of the equation.. What is the technical term for this? I want to read bit more on this and educate myself. For ps4 pro this number might be different as well

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Input lag.


Technically the lag the display adds is called display lag and the lag the computer/console/controller adds is called input lag. But all of these terms have become interchangeable.


Each game is different. It also depends greatly on whether the game runs at 30fps or 60fps (or even runs at a consistent frame rate at all). The classic example used to be COD vs Halo but that is an antiquated example these days. I'll say this: plenty of people game on the HT3550 and have no issues. I've discovered through this forum that I happen to be more sensitive to lag than most. So everyone is a little different here. Would I use the HT3550 for games? No I wouldn't. Does that mean other people can't use the HT3550 for gaming without issue? No it doesn't. If you play adventure games and RPGs my guess is you won't be bothered compared with someone who plays fighting games or competitive FPS. And, to be completely frank, you could play FPS on the HT3550 and kick my butt simply because you are more skilled. Lag isn't the end all be all but rather one piece of the pie. I just happen to enjoy the snappy response of a low latency display and my OCD brain likes to know I have every advantage I can get.
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Input lag.


Technically the lag the display adds is called display lag and the lag the computer/console/controller adds is called input lag. But all of these terms have become interchangeable.


Each game is different. It also depends greatly on whether the game runs at 30fps or 60fps (or even runs at a consistent frame rate at all). The classic example used to be COD vs Halo but that is an antiquated example these days. I'll say this: plenty of people game on the HT3550 and have no issues. I've discovered through this forum that I happen to be more sensitive to lag than most. So everyone is a little different here. Would I use the HT3550 for games? No I wouldn't. Does that mean other people can't use the HT3550 for gaming without issue? No it doesn't. If you play adventure games and RPGs my guess is you won't be bothered compared with someone who plays fighting games or competitive FPS. And, to be completely frank, you could play FPS on the HT3550 and kick my butt simply because you are more skilled. Lag isn't the end all be all but rather one piece of the pie. I just happen to enjoy the snappy response of a low latency display and my OCD brain likes to know I have every advantage I can get.
Thank you sir, for being patient and explaining these. I am itching so much for my projector. Wish the 2 3 months to pass quickly so that I can get the projector from my upcoming US visit

Any idea which part of the forum to look at and study new upcoming Projectors list?

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Thank you sir, for being patient and explaining these. I am itching so much for my projector. Wish the 2 3 months to pass quickly so that I can get the projector from my upcoming US visit

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You're in the right place. Usually news is broken here before it is anywhere else.


As for 4K DLPs on the horizon-- nothing to report right now. At some point I expect Optoma and Viewsonic (if they haven't already) to update their projectors with the new .47 DMD being used here. I would still recommend the HT3550 if picture quality is the primary concern. Simply put, at it's price it's the best 4K image available. Also consider that BenQ is releasing new firmware in the coming weeks to improve it even further.

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My HT3550 (W2700 here in Switzerland) is supposed to arrive by the end of May.
I ordered it 6 weeks ago. I'm wondering if BenQ is holding them before a new firmware is published?
I checked both EU and US BenQ's websites and there are still no firmware updates at the moment.
I'm a bit worried to ruin my current HT2050 (W2700) setup by "upgrading" to the HT3550.
Should I wait in your opinion?
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I'm wondering if BenQ is holding them before a new firmware is published?

Have a look here, user report just got in, today: http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?a...postID=668#668

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It’s close. I’ll update here when I can.

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It’s here.
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It’s here.
Great!!

Were we can download as i was checking the Benq page and there is nothing there yep..


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Isn’t up on the site yet. I believe BenQ is still finalizing some things. I’ll check and if it’s safe to share I’ll post it here.

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It’s here.

Is there a listing of what the update contains?

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Isn’t up on the site yet. I believe BenQ is still finalizing some things. I’ll check and if it’s safe to share I’ll post it here.
That will be great, please keep us posted...

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So I’m still (obviously) throwing content at this thing. But my initial impressions of the new iris settings are as follows:

I’m a big fan of the low iris setting. It’s not as aggressive and so doesn’t result in the same level of contrast/blacks as the middle or high setting but I have yet to see a single occurrence of iris pump/flicker even in the most challenging material. I therefore consider this a ‘free’ upgrade as you get a nice improvement in blacks/contrast with seemingly no downside. I can’t imagine even the pickiest viewers finding fault in this mode.

The middle iris setting gets a you a discernible increase in blacks/contrast but at the cost of some visible iris intervention. The middle setting seems to be the closest in performance to the prior ‘ON’ setting but without some of the former issues. For those that are catching up the prior iris firmware had a tendency to get flummoxed with high APL (bright) content resulting in a sort of seesawing action from the iris. This ‘flicker’ or pumping is largely absent in those scenes that caused the prior firmware fits. I think the middle iris setting will be popular as it offers excellent contrast performance that I doubt many viewers will find distracting.

The same can’t be said for the high setting. To my eye the high setting doesn’t offer much if any improvement in contrast/blacks over the middle setting. Even if it did the constant, visible iris intervention leaves it all but unusable for me.

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So I’m still (obviously) throwing content at this thing. But my initial impressions of the new iris settings are as follows:

I’m a big fan of the low iris setting. It’s not as aggressive and so doesn’t result in the same level of contrast/blacks as the middle or high setting but I have yet to see a single occurrence of iris pump/flicker even in the most challenging material. I therefore consider this a ‘free’ upgrade as you get a nice improvement in blacks/contrast with seemingly no downside. I can’t imagine even the pickiest viewers finding fault in this mode.

The middle iris setting gets a you a discernible increase in blacks/contrast but at the cost of some visible iris intervention. The middle setting seems to be the closest in performance to the prior ‘ON’ setting but without some of the former issues. For those that are catching up the prior iris firmware had a tendency to get flummoxed with high APL (bright) content resulting in a sort of seesawing action from the iris. This ‘flicker’ or pumping is largely absent in those scenes that caused the prior firmware fits. I think the middle iris setting will be popular as it offers excellent contrast performance that I doubt many viewers will find distracting.

The same can’t be said for the high setting. To my eye the high setting doesn’t offer much if any improvement in contrast/blacks over the middle setting. Even if it did the constant, visible iris intervention leaves it all but unusable for me.
I think we came to very similar conclusions. I agree Low is great in that you don't notice it at all, so using at least that setting is a no brainer. I think I will try to stick with Medium though since it does seem to offer a little better blacks than Low and the amount of times I was able to notice it working was less and not as jarring as before with the original implementation. High might still work well for people that never saw a problem with how it worked before, but for me, I don't see enough improvement over Medium in contrast and it is has quite a bit more noticeable changes in brightness than Medium to make it not worth the compromise.
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I’m clear to share the firmware but unfortunately my Google Drive isn’t cooperating right now. When I get home I’ll upload it and post it here. Unless someone beats me to it.

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That's great...

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Thanks for your fantastic review. I'm considering between BenQ HT3550 and Optoma UHD51a. I am wondering if any of these projectors can play movie files directly from network drive (NAS).
If anyone has tried these models please give comments on their built-in player function and how it works. Thanks a lot!
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I’m clear to share the firmware but unfortunately my Google Drive isn’t cooperating right now. When I get home I’ll upload it and post it here. Unless someone beats me to it.
Hi,

When do you have a chance please upload if you can.


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Do you know if the new firmware is for HT3550 only or is it for W2700 as well ?
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Is the CA error for you guys the same at farthest throw as it is at shortest throw?
Hence, if you make the smallest image possible, does the CA error change very little?

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Is the CA error for you guys the same at farthest throw as it is at shortest throw?

Hence, if you make the smallest image possible, does the CA error change very little?


CA is affected by use of the telephoto lens. So, no, it’s a bit different at each end of the lens.

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CA is affected by use of the telephoto lens. So, no, it’s a bit different at each end of the lens.
So where is the sweet spot and how much difference is there...
IME, every projector varies, some have almost no sensitivity to it.

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So where is the sweet spot and how much difference is there...

IME, every projector varies, some have almost no sensitivity to it.


I’d say ‘full open’. So, no use of the telephoto zoom feature with the image at it’s largest. I’m not home now but there is a pic on the other thread that illustrates it pretty well. When I get home I’ll try and take a picture for you.

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