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Thanks, I’m going on 3 weeks and it seems to be getting worse. I’ll test that out tonight.

Oh, sorry man, take it easy and get better. See a doctor and everything if necessary.


Obviously everyone feels your health is more important than us seeing the side by side comparison...I hope hah
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Thanks for the update...and do get yourself well.

When you're feeling up to it, could you take a quick look at the Aspect Ratio menu selection with one of your 2.40 scope movies to see if the image can be vertically stretched to remove the black bars without affecting the horizontal contents.

My original post with a bit more detail was in the other 3550 thread:
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I remember your post and I added it to my list— even took notes on it but it didn’t make it into the review. Sorry about that.

It cannot.

16:9 has no effect on 2.40 movies. My guess is it would stretch 4:3 material to fill the 16:9 but the only 4:3 material I have is some old anime DVDs and they’re packed away someplace. Even the 4:3 Blu-ray stuff I have is, in reality, 16:9 so I notice no effect.

4:3 simply adds letterbox bars and compresses the image horizontally to fit within the smaller frame. I turned on some lights so you can see what I’m talking about in this shot.


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I remember your post and I added it to my list— even took notes on it but it didn’t make it into the review. Sorry about that.

It cannot.

16:9 has no effect on 2.40 movies. My guess is it would stretch 4:3 material to fill the 16:9 but the only 4:3 material I have is some old anime DVDs and they’re packed away someplace. Even the 4:3 Blu-ray stuff I have is, in reality, 16:9 so I notice no effect.

4:3 simply adds letterbox bars and compresses the image horizontally to fit within the smaller frame. I turned on some lights so you can see what I’m talking about in this shot.
I sure appreciate you testing this out, not sure why the limited aspect settings given how BenQ has always provided more flexibility in the past. I may just have to ask them.

4:3 mode (as on my W1070) is useful for displaying 16:9 material correctly on a 2.40:1 screen with an A-lens in place.

The 16:9 has me a bit confused since it had no visual effect at all on your test. Your guess may be right - however it's such an outlying case I can't imagine why it's even there.

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So I’m still working on my comparison of HT2050A and HT3550. But I thought I might give a sneak peak.

For these shots I tried to get the two projectors as close as I could in brightness and color temp. I’m looking at blacks and contrast. These shots are of the same HD Blu-ray duplicated on both projectors. The HT2050A is on the left, HT3550 on the right.

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These I tipped the scales for the Ht3550. This is in D. CINEMA. The light output of the HT3550 is lower in the filter modes— more appropriate for a dark, light controlled room. The HT2050A has no equivalent mode. Again, HT2050A on the left and the HT3550 on the right.


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Finally, I hear a lot about how DCI-P3 doesn’t matter that much. That most people won’t notice the difference as it’s such a small percentage of our overall ability to detect color.

In isolation: maybe. But when you see rec709 and DCI-P3 next to one another the difference is significant. I did my best to get the time codes lined up. The left image is the HD Blu-ray on the HT2050A. The right image is the UHD Blu-ray on the HT3550. These images actually don’t do justice to what I’m seeing with my own eyes. Reds on the HD Blu-ray are orange.
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Damn you... Was so considering dropping $500 now it get the 2050a and tide me over for two years. Now...

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Sage, for lack of a better description, it looks like the top and bottom borders of the image of the 3550 are "twice as dark" as the borders of the image from the 2050A. They are clearly grey with the 2050A, but nearly disappear as black with the 3550. Would that be accurate with your in person experience?

Anyway, great, great job with your review and subsequent follow ups!
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The HT2050A is an amazing projector. My point of posting these shots is to show that this HT3550 4K is not a downgrade.

We’re just talking contrast / blacks here. Resolution adds a whole other wrinkle I’ll get into. On HD when you try and match them up in lumens the two are very close. It probably doesn’t come through in these shots but the HT2050A is a ludicrously bright projector. It’s RGBRGB so you think it’s not going to be that bright but I’ve seen 3000 lumen projectors that are dimmer than this in their usable modes. In fact, in a couple of those shots of Bladerunner 2049 I feel the HT2050A looks a hair better (not considering resolution)— the older chip’s higher native contrast on display.

But if you have a light controlled bat cave, oh man, the calibrated mode on the HT3550 is a treat. This is almost unfair to the HT2050A as it has no equivalent mode. A better comparison would have been with the HT3050 which has the ability to scrub a few more lumens. Again, you’re not going to run these modes in a living room against ambient light and you certainly aren’t going to use these with a monster screen. These shots look a bit over exposed as the HT2050A is so much brighter.

Speaking of unfair, it’s unfair to ask a sub $700 projector to display 4K HDR with expanded color gamut. The HT3550 is over twice the price, after all. But I want to challenge this idea that UHD is no big deal. That P3 is no big deal. UHD is a massive upgrade and if you have the money it’s worth it to make the jump.

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Sage, for lack of a better description, it looks like the top and bottom borders of the image of the 3550 are "twice as dark" as the borders of the image from the 2050A. They are clearly grey with the 2050A, but nearly disappear as black with the 3550. Would that be accurate with your in person experience?



Anyway, great, great job with your review and subsequent follow ups!

Those last shots are with the HT3550 in it’s dark room D. Cinema mode which has a much lower output and black floor. Neither can produce inky blacks. No DLP can. My shots are just to show the comparison. Obviously, in the earlier shots you can see the HT2050A has good blacks. In some shots the HT2050A looks a hair better than the Ht3550. When I adjust the camera to pick up on the lower black floor of the HT3550 in it’s Dark Cinema mode the difference is noticeable. Those shots make the Ht2050A look worse than it perhaps is simply due to the fact the HT2050A has no way to reduce lumens any further. The Dark Cinema mode is appropriate for light controlled rooms only and you won’t be running super large screens with it.
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Finally, I hear a lot about how DCI-P3 doesn’t matter that much. That most people won’t notice the difference as it’s such a small percentage of our overall ability to detect color.

In isolation: maybe. But when you see rec709 and DCI-P3 next to one another the difference is significant. I did my best to get the time codes lined up. The left image is the HD Blu-ray on the HT2050A. The right image is the UHD Blu-ray on the HT3550. These images actually don’t do justice to what I’m seeing with my own eyes. Reds on the HD Blu-ray are orange.
Great comparisons. Hats off! I know how much work and time logistically is takes to do these comparison shots!
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Great comparisons. Hats off! I know how much work and time logistically is takes to do these comparison shots!


I had to move my couch and ottoman into my dining room. Lol! When and IF we find another house I’m going to need to dedicate a room for this...
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Great comparisons. Hats off! I know how much work and time logistically is takes to do these comparison shots!
@scottyroo and @sage11x - would either of you mind measuring the distance from the front of the lens to the front casing? Currently I'm running an A-lens with my W1070, whose lens is 1/2" recessed. I may consider going with the 3550, or even the 5550 (which would provide a much better TR for the A-lens), or possibly no lens at all.

Just trying to determiner myself if the A-lens is an option on the 3550 (not extremely recessed).

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@scottyroo and @sage11x - would either of you mind measuring the distance from the front of the lens to the front casing? Currently I'm running an A-lens with my W1070, whose lens is 1/2" recessed. I may consider going with the 3550, or even the 5550 (which would provide a much better TR for the A-lens), or possibly no lens at all.

Just trying to determiner myself if the A-lens is an option on the 3550 (not extremely recessed).

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@scottyroo and @sage11x - would either of you mind measuring the distance from the front of the lens to the front casing? Currently I'm running an A-lens with my W1070, whose lens is 1/2" recessed. I may consider going with the 3550, or even the 5550 (which would provide a much better TR for the A-lens), or possibly no lens at all.

Just trying to determiner myself if the A-lens is an option on the 3550 (not extremely recessed).

Thanks.


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hmmm...was planning on going from my 1070 to the 2050A when it was time for a bulb replacement. now i don't know. looks like a significant contrast bump with the 3550 and i have a light controlled room to take advantage. only thing is, i'm not set up for 4k. don't do streaming and have no plans to anytime soon. but it looks like the 3550 will do 1080 better. i currently have ~2100 hours on my current bulb so i have time to watch things shake out.

question: will this play nice with a Darbee as long as i have only 1080 sources running through it?
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Based on the pictures above, the Blacks look better on the HT3550

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Understanding that the comparison images were posted to illustrate the difference in black levels and contrast, if we focus on the white areas of the image below it appears as if the HT2050 pushes blue for cooler whites whereas the HT3550 pushes red for warmer whites. This is consistent with images previously posted of the HT2050 vs. HT3050 where the HT3050 is capable of 100% Rec 709/D65. I would expect a comparison of images from an HT3550 and HT3050 to be much closer in colors and whites.

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hmmm...was planning on going from my 1070 to the 2050A when it was time for a bulb replacement. now i don't know. looks like a significant contrast bump with the 3550 and i have a light controlled room to take advantage. only thing is, i'm not set up for 4k. don't do streaming and have no plans to anytime soon. but it looks like the 3550 will do 1080 better. i currently have ~2100 hours on my current bulb so i have time to watch things shake out.

question: will this play nice with a Darbee as long as i have only 1080 sources running through it?
Good question! I have a Darbee that I was planning on taking out of my system, but perhaps I should leave it in the 1080P HDMI going to one of the 3550's two HDMI inputs. I'm planning on running the video HDMI from a Sony UBP-X800 to the other HDMI input of the 3550 and the audio HDMI from the Sony to my receiver, since the receiver is not 4K compatible.
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Based on the pictures above, the Blacks look better on the HT3550


Depends on the scene. With both in bright cinema (HT2050a in smart eco and the HT3550 in normal with iris) it’s awfully close but I feel like they trade off. The first couple shots the HT3550 has a distinct advantage as the scene is dark and the iris can clamp down. In the next few the bright elements in the scene raise the APL and then I think the advantage switches to the HT2050A if only by a hair. Once back on a mostly black screen, the space shot, the iris again shows it’s value and the HY3550 jumps ahead again.

Once you enable the filter— no contest. But again, that’s not entirely fair to the HT2050A as it has no way to cut lumens besides dropping the lamp into eco which drops contrast as well. Even a static iris would help the 2050a here but it has none.

The HT3550 can do batcaves better than the ht2050a— assuming your screen isn’t ginormous.

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Understanding that the comparison images were posted to illustrate the difference in black levels and contrast, if we focus on the white areas of the image below it appears as if the HT2050 pushes blue for cooler whites whereas the HT3550 pushes red for warmer whites. This is consistent with images previously posted of the HT2050 vs. HT3050 where the HT3050 is capable of 100% Rec 709/D65. I would expect a comparison of images from an HT3550 and HT3050 to be much closer in colors and whites.


Good eye. To be clear: I probably could have done a better job here of matching them up in terms of color. Both were in ‘normal’ temp but the filter adds a good degree of warmth to the image. I was more interested in demonstrating he difference between rec709 red (which is orange/red) and P3 red (which is red). That image isn’t an indictment of the 2050A and more a pro of the HT3550’s wide color support. That scene looks just as orange on my THX plasma.
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Depends on the scene. With both in bright cinema (HT2050a in smart eco and the HT3550 in normal with iris) it’s awfully close but I feel like they trade off. The first couple shots the HT3550 has a distinct advantage as the scene is dark and the iris can clamp down. In the next few the bright elements in the scene raise the APL and then I think the advantage switches to the HT2050A if only by a hair. Once back on a mostly black screen, the space shot, the iris again shows it’s value and the HY3550 jumps ahead again.

Once you enable the filter— no contest. But again, that’s not entirely fair to the HT2050A as it has no way to cut lumens besides dropping the lamp into eco which drops contrast as well. Even a static iris would help the 2050a here but it has none.

The HT3550 can do batcaves better than the ht2050a— assuming your screen isn’t ginormous.
I posted in the other thread that Chris from Majestechs did a quick review. He was not happy with the filter nor the sharpness of the HT3550. But I don't think he stated the size screen he tested, or if he did, I missed it. Sounds like what it all boils down to, since none of us enjoy a movie with two simultaneous projectors with side by side images, all these little things like Contrast, Blackness, Brightness and Sharpness would be out of our minds since they are still good.
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Sage, for lack of a better description, it looks like the top and bottom borders of the image of the 3550 are "twice as dark" as the borders of the image from the 2050A. They are clearly grey with the 2050A, but nearly disappear as black with the 3550. Would that be accurate with your in person experience?



Anyway, great, great job with your review and subsequent follow ups!


Neither of these projectors does inky blacks. If you want blacks that will melt into your frame— you might be in the wrong price range.

With exposure I can make the blacks as black or as grey as I like. These shots are somewhere in the middle for the purposes of comparison. When I under expose the image the blacks bottom out and you see no difference. Over expose the picture it becomes hard to tell any difference as the Ht2050A just looks dark ‘cool’ grey while the HT3550 looks dark ‘warm’ grey.

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I posted in the other thread that Chris from Majestechs did a quick review. He was not happy with the filter nor the sharpness of the HT3550. But I don't think he stated the size screen he tested, or if he did, I missed it. Sounds like what it all boils down to, since none of us enjoy a movie with two simultaneous projectors with side by side images, all these little things like Contrast, Blackness, Brightness and Sharpness would be out of our minds since they are still good.

Exactly.

As I stated in my review, I had no sharpness issues with my sample. I saw some softening at the left/right edges but— well, hell, I’ve seen softening at the edges of projectors that cost $8000. But my sample did suffer from above average chromatic aberration. I’ll have to check out his review.

As for the filter, people keep mentioning the filter like it’s a bad thing and it’s NOT. Take away the filter and the HT3550 is still arguably the best 4K DLP near this price simply due to the inclusion of the iris and the lack of the light frame. If you don’t have a bat cave and you’re running a large screen and like a nice and bright image then the HT3550 has you covered. It’s not like any other 4K DLP offers a filter so if you can’t use it just forget about it and enjoy what the HT3550 does offer.

However, if you’re like me and have a ‘smaller’ screen or a higher gain screen and you’re fortunate enough to have a light controlled room then the HT3550 offers something that only one other projector below $3000 (the also excellent Epson 4010) offers: real P3 support. The filter modes also substantially lower the black floor (as you can see in my pictures above). This makes the Ht3550 uniquely suited— I would argue more than any competing 4K DLP— to home theater use. If you’re a cinephile like me you’re going to find a lot to love about the Ht3550.

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What do you do when you're bored and have time to kill before your new ht3550 arrives next week?
Well you put together a 100" zero edge screen and slap your old ht2050 in the bedroom that's what you do!!
I mean...duh! Lol

Oh, and you order a new ceiling mount and blackout curtains!
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What do you do when you're bored and have time to kill before your new ht3550 arrives next week?
Well you put together a 100" zero edge screen and slap your old ht2050 in the bedroom that's what you do!!
I'm mean...duh! Lol

Oh, and you order a new ceiling mount and blackout curtains!


We ran a 110” screen in our bedroom for over a year. It was awesome. Unfortunately had to take it down when we reorganized. Now we’re back to a 42” plasma...
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The HT2050A is an amazing projector. My point of posting these shots is to show that this HT3550 4K is not a downgrade.

We’re just talking contrast / blacks here. Resolution adds a whole other wrinkle I’ll get into. On HD when you try and match them up in lumens the two are very close. It probably doesn’t come through in these shots but the HT2050A is a ludicrously bright projector. It’s RGBRGB so you think it’s not going to be that bright but I’ve seen 3000 lumen projectors that are dimmer than this in their usable modes. In fact, in a couple of those shots of Bladerunner 2049 I feel the HT2050A looks a hair better (not considering resolution)— the older chip’s higher native contrast on display.

But if you have a light controlled bat cave, oh man, the calibrated mode on the HT3550 is a treat. This is almost unfair to the HT2050A as it has no equivalent mode. A better comparison would have been with the HT3050 which has the ability to scrub a few more lumens. Again, you’re not going to run these modes in a living room against ambient light and you certainly aren’t going to use these with a monster screen. These shots look a bit over exposed as the HT2050A is so much brighter.

Speaking of unfair, it’s unfair to ask a sub $700 projector to display 4K HDR with expanded color gamut. The HT3550 is over twice the price, after all. But I want to challenge this idea that UHD is no big deal. That P3 is no big deal. UHD is a massive upgrade and if you have the money it’s worth it to make the jump.
Okay. I feel a little bit better then. And nicely done on the side by side. BenQ keeps refreshing the inventory on the 2050a so I'm hoping ebay puts out a coupon some time soon. Always on the lookout for a bargain. Though a discount on the 3550 could always sway me if I find one.



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Exactly.

As I stated in my review, I had no sharpness issues with my sample. I saw some softening at the left/right edges but— well, hell, I’ve seen softening at the edges of projectors that cost $8000. But my sample did suffer from above average chromatic aberration. I’ll have to check out his review.

As for the filter, people keep mentioning the filter like it’s a bad thing and it’s NOT. Take away the filter and the HT3550 is still arguably the best 4K DLP near this price simply due to the inclusion of the iris and the lack of the light frame. If you don’t have a bat cave and you’re running a large screen and like a nice and bright image then the HT3550 has you covered. It’s not like any other 4K DLP offers a filter so if you can’t use it just forget about it and enjoy what the HT3550 does offer.

However, if you’re like me and have a ‘smaller’ screen or a higher gain screen and you’re fortunate enough to have a light controlled room then the HT3550 offers something that only one other projector below $3000 (the also excellent Epson 4010) offers: real P3 support. The filter modes also substantially lower the black floor (as you can see in my pictures above). This makes the Ht3550 uniquely suited— I would argue more than any competing 4K DLP— to home theater use. If you’re a cinephile like me you’re going to find a lot to love about the Ht3550.
I honestly don't know if my eyes would be able to see a difference in sharpness between two PJs unless looking side by side. I think some things can be nitpicked to the point that it means nothing. Good is Good is Good. Meaning, I don't think most people looking for PJs in this price range are going to be able to discern small differences in sharpness, etc. Those that can would be more like yourself who review PJs and see many of them.

I will say this much. When we put on Incredibles 2 a couple weekend's ago, on the HT2050a, I thought it looked really good. I then put on my glasses that I don't care to wear except when I'm staring at spreadsheets all day at work, and the Image Quality was AMAZING!!! LOL. I upgraded my HT2050a by putting on my glasses.

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I honestly don't know if my eyes would be able to see a difference in sharpness between two PJs unless looking side by side. I think some things can be nitpicked to the point that it means nothing. Good is Good is Good. Meaning, I don't think most people looking for PJs in this price range are going to be able to discern small differences in sharpness, etc. Those that can would be more like yourself who review PJs and see many of them.



I will say this much. When we put on Incredibles 2 a couple weekend's ago, on the HT2050a, I thought it looked really good. I then put on my glasses that I don't care to wear except when I'm staring at spreadsheets all day at work, and the Image Quality was AMAZING!!! LOL. I upgraded my HT2050a by putting on my glasses.
Ha. I'm the same. 20/26. Rarely wear my glasses. Had to stand close to focus the pj before. Just so used to not wearing them, I don't even notice overall sharpness. Heading to the Sixers tonight and sitting in the nosebleeds. Had to go back home to grab the glasses or watching the game would be worthless.

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