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Neither one of those low contrast DLP projectors have contrast anywhere near those specs. The native contrast for both is below 2000:1.
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So I definitely want a laser projector. Whats out there for under $5,000. I dont want to have to pay for bulbs once a year or 2...
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Check out Dell UST or hang a bit for LG or Optoma
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Wait for an LG or Optoma laser PJ?
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http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?2...SABEgJqoPD_BwE

Why does this say maximum resolution is 640 x 480? Is that good or bad? And the native resolution is 3840 x 2160. Whats the difference? Someone please help me out! I am trying to learn.
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So I definitely want a laser projector. Whats out there for under $5,000. I dont want to have to pay for bulbs once a year or 2...
In complete fairness, if your budget is reaching towards that level of model, then it is worthwhile to ask the same question in the $3,000+ section.

There are some newer laser models which are being built around the 4K chip which may be very bright and perform well, but they are JUST coming to market now. That means you are dealing pretty heavily in the 'bleeding edge' market, and will pay a premium to do so.

If you aren't interested in a lamp based projector, but want a real upgrade in overall quality, I would wait. The BenQ is a solid performer, but if you are changing lamps a couple of times a year because of very high usage rates, then going to a solid state projector makes a ton of sense, but you aren't going to get much of a boost over the W1070 or similar from most of the new 4K DLP models. But, there are more and more models coming and reviews will help lay out image quality a lot more.

You really want to see how these better DLP models with solid state light engines stack up against Sony and JVC with their LCoS models.

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Can the DLP compete with the Sony and JVC right now in the same price range? Especially can the BenQ i posted give the Sony and JVC a run for their money?
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Why does this say maximum resolution is 640 x 480? Is that good or bad? And the native resolution is 3840 x 2160. Whats the difference? Someone please help me out! I am trying to learn.

640x480 is a mistake. There's a whole thread on this PJ here:


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...999k-msrp.html

I would start at the end (latest posts, and work back)

From the above thread it performs very well and would be a good choice.
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Can the DLP compete with the Sony and JVC right now in the same price range? Especially can the BenQ i posted give the Sony and JVC a run for their money?
There's a number of factors involved, but in general, yes.
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I painted my ceiling black as well.
Which would look better? And the DLP would be better with video games right?
There's no law that says you can't have two projectors...use a low latency DLP for gaming and a laser 4k DLP for movies.
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Ha i wish i had that kind of cash to buy 2 projectors. Definitely going with a laser when i get all the cash together!
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https://www.projectorpeople.com/UHZ6...rojector/41898

This one got great reviews and is under $4,000. Would this stack up to the Sony and JVC PJ? More about this PJ here:

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Opt...ter-Review.htm
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Ha i wish i had that kind of cash to buy 2 projectors. Definitely going with a laser when i get all the cash together!
A gaming PJ can be very inexpensive (the one you have now have might be good for that) and when you consider the total cost of what you are proposing to spend. This machine would be excellent for gaming with only a 8ms latency:


https://www.projectorcentral.com/Opt...HDR-Review.htm


pair this with a laser PJ and you have all bases covered.
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Wait for an LG or Optoma laser PJ?
There are two separate threads discussing upcoming LG HU85LA or Optoma P1 both 4k laser UST. Might be a few month wait though.

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https://www.projectorpeople.com/UHZ6...rojector/41898

This one got great reviews and is under $4,000. Would this stack up to the Sony and JVC PJ? More about this PJ here:

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Opt...ter-Review.htm


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Good video DonMunro! I would go with the Optoma over the Sony considering price. Does the Optoma actually have 2,000,000:1 contrast though?

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Good video DonMunro! I would go with the Optoma over the Sony considering price. Does the Optoma actually have 2,000,000:1 contrast though?

That's Dynamic contrast because the laser has the ability to completely shut down instantly the screen can go black. Real would native contrast is around 2000:1. A entry level JVC is 40,000:1 native and over 80,000 for the higher up models. Most lasers are about a $1k premium over equivalent bulb based projectors for single laser but for good color you really need dual laser and most I have seen are in the $10k range. Laser is definitely the future but you don't see them in your higher end projectors until you hit the $30K to $40K range.

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for good color you really need dual laser
lol... You must never seen a laser projector. The color is amazing and just as good if not better then any premium bulb projector. Even with single laser such as Xiaomi.

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lol... You must never seen a laser projector. The color is amazing and just as good if not better then any premium bulb projector. Even with single laser such as Xiaomi.
Your ears must've started burning the minute laser and UST got mentioned.

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Cool well i am definitely going with a laser PJ!
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Laser projectors will dim over time. However when the laser projector begins to dim you will not be able to replace the light source easily as you would with a bulb. Also be careful for falling for long-duration laser life specs. They do not factor in when the laser souce dims to half brightness. My personal pick would be to go for the Sony. Optoma projectors have bad color accuracy in my opinion and their native contrast is below 2000:1 which is way too low for my liking.

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https://www.projectorpeople.com/UHZ6...rojector/41898

This one got great reviews and is under $4,000. Would this stack up to the Sony and JVC PJ? More about this PJ here:

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Opt...ter-Review.htm
That is a decent projector, but it won't have near the contrast of a JVC RS-540 and if you end up being sensitive to the 'rainbow effect', could be problematic.

The JVC is in a league of its own for its price range.
At 17 feet back, you don't need Native 4k, it's not useful in your setup at all.

Laser is not the end all be all... Lamps last a long time on some of the newer JVC's, and you can usually get a spare lamp deal as well.
With 2 lamps to start with, you'll probably go 6000 hours before even needing a lamp, that's a long time.

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Laser projectors will dim over time. However when the laser projector begins to dim you will not be able to replace the light source easily as you would with a bulb. Also be careful for falling for long-duration laser life specs. They do not factor in when the laser souce dims to half brightness.
Um yeah.... every light source dims over time. Your bulb projector could run at half brightness much sooner then estimated time, so you'll end up paying/replacing bulbs at $300 a pop multiple times before any laser projector will go to half brightness or even dims noticeably for an average user. Heck, the laser projector will be simply outdated before laser starts dimming. Also that rating is obviously just an estimate when the laser dims substantially which is considered end of life.

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Um yeah.... every light source dims over time. Your bulb projector could run at half brightness much sooner then estimated time, so you'll end up paying/replacing bulbs at $300 a pop multiple times before any laser projector will go to half brightness or even dims noticeably for an average user. Heck, the laser projector will be simply outdated before laser starts dimming. Also that rating is obviously just an estimate when the laser dims substantially which is considered end of life.
Unless you are a very high usage user your bulb projector may also be outdated by the time you've had to replace the bulb enough times to match the extra cost of an equivalent laser projector. This is especially the case with the higher end JVC and Sony models.

All things being equal, I'd prefer a laser, but for myself when I went shopping for a high contrast native 4k projector there was no laser model I could afford even if I tried to use bulb replacement cost as a way to mentally amortize the price difference.
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Unless you are a very high usage user your bulb projector may also be outdated by the time you've had to replace the bulb enough times to match the extra cost of an equivalent laser projector. This is especially the case with the higher end JVC and Sony models.

All things being equal, I'd prefer a laser, but for myself when I went shopping for a high contrast native 4k projector there was no laser model I could afford even if I tried to use bulb replacement cost as a way to mentally amortize the price difference.
True that, I haven't replaced bulb on my last projector after 6 years! Hence I said that for average user laser estimates is silly to consider. It's for heavy users they should be more concerning with how much money they will put into bulbs over time vs just getting laser. Actually the heavy users are the ones who would benefit more from laser technology then I would with my usage.

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We also watch a lot...we are actually using our projector as our TV - so about 4 to 5 hours a day, everyday. We have an old Epson HC3020, (Had it for 6 years with this kind of usage). We just put in our 3rd bulb last week. We have found that the bulb issue isn't an issue at all. I figure 3 bulbs in over 6 years with heavy daily use isn't bad.

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I just purchased the Epson 5040UB pixel shift 4K projector due to the super amazing sales going on for it. I upgraded from a Panasonic PT-AE400U 1080P projector. All I can say is WOW! The image is strikingly better. I can see details I never saw before - the Disney Castle scene at the start of Disney Movies (just watched Christopher Robin - amazing film) and was blown away by how amazing it looked. I sit too far away to notice the increased pixel depth, it is all the other bells and whistles that make it shine. The movie was a standard bluray, upconverted by my Denon 4300 to 4K and it makes a huge difference.

You will be very happy even with a pixel shift 4k. Buy one now and wait a few years for the lasers to drop enough in price to fit your budget. You will not be unhappy.

I also bought a fiber HDMI cable, 48Gbps throughput. The cable is smaller than a standard cable for the 35 feet I need and I know it is not going to need replaced for many years to come.
I appreciate the informative post. I would love 4k but I don’t have a lot of 4k material. I mainly watch sports. I was unaware of the quality of upconverted 1080p. I may look in to getting the same denon when I go 4k. I’m guessing you spent $200 on that hdmi cable?

Are there any 4k projectors that let you use frame interpolation when playing 4k video?

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Just like you said has nothing to do with 4k... just better projector, newer bulb. I went from old 1080P to new laser 1080P and same wow effect due to much better blacks and contrast.
Of course it does. I am also upscaling my content from 1080 to 4k. That alone makes it look better. Yes, everything else helps as well, but to say the upscaling does not make a noticeable difference is silly.

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