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He actually said he'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between my painted screen, and his high end Stewart screen. I put on "The Revenant" after he was done calibrating, and it looked breathtaking.

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Would you like to share your settings, or at least some general comments about the adjustments he made?
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Would you like to share your settings, or at least some general comments about the adjustments he made?
Honestly, each setup is different. Before I had Kevin Miller come over yesterday, I was using someone else's settings that were posted in this thread. As Kevin was calibrating my projector, he commented over and over how far off my settings were, so I told him I was using someone else's. He said that's never a good idea. He uses super high end calibration devices, that are hooked up to his laptop, so it's hard for me to say exactly what he was adjusting. Before he even started, he did do a panel alignment, and my alignment was off, which I would have never known.

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I was pretty set on getting a 5050ub until I discovered some posts about motion judder and I’m concerned. I anticipate watching a lot of action movies and major sporting events. I likely will do some light gaming too. I have a 65in Lg OLED that is also known to have motion issues, but it’s not a big deal for me. Does the 5050 judder worse than the LG? Is the motion issue a big problem?
Zero motion judder on mine.

Motion is handled differently by different display technologies though, so everyone has their own take on each approach to motion.

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Honestly, each setup is different. Before I had Kevin Miller come over yesterday, I was using someone else's settings that were posted in this thread. As Kevin was calibrating my projector, he commented over and over how far off my settings were, so I told him I was using someone else's. He said that's never a good idea. He uses super high end calibration devices, that are hooked up to his laptop, so it's hard for me to say exactly what he was adjusting. Before he even started, he did do a panel alignment, and my alignment was off, which I would have never known.

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Certainly that's a valid point as it has been made on forum pages many, many times over the years. I do understand and appreciate the reminder, it's just that in my case I live in a small town where I don't have access to professional calibration services. Seeing what others have done, while understanding that it may or may not work for me, gives a starting point for experimenting with the settings on a relatively new product. I'm projecting on a low-gain, 100" white screen in a light-controlled room.
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Certainly that's a valid point as it has been made on forum pages many, many times over the years. I do understand and appreciate the reminder, it's just that in my case I live in a small town where I don't have access to professional calibration services. Seeing what others have done, while understanding that it may or may not work for me, gives a starting point for experimenting with the settings on a relatively new product. I'm projecting on a low-gain, 100" white screen in a light-controlled room.
I'm not even using a fixed screen. I did a painted screen on the entire wall, so I wouldn't have to worry about the black bars when switching aspect ratios. It's a gray screen, so my settings are probably totally different then what would be used on a white fixed screen.

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Honestly, each setup is different. Before I had Kevin Miller come over yesterday, I was using someone else's settings that were posted in this thread. As Kevin was calibrating my projector, he commented over and over how far off my settings were, so I told him I was using someone else's. He said that's never a good idea. He uses super high end calibration devices, that are hooked up to his laptop, so it's hard for me to say exactly what he was adjusting. Before he even started, he did do a panel alignment, and my alignment was off, which I would have never known.

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I’ve been asked numerous times to share my settings and I refuse simply because each projector, screen and distance from screen to projector are different and determines the end results. In my case I was shocked how little tweaking Gordon (calibrator) required to get mine on the money. Completely agree about the equipment used by these guys, no $150-200 meter that’s for sure LOL.
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I’ve been asked numerous times to share my settings and I refuse simply because each projector, screen and distance from screen to projector are different and determines the end results. In my case I was shocked how little tweaking Gordon (calibrator) required to get mine on the money. Completely agree about the equipment used by these guys, no $150-200 meter that’s for sure LOL.
While I agree with what your saying, it doesn't hurt to help noobs get a reasonable reference point to consider. They just need to understand they're not going to be able to simply plug and play the exact same setup and expect the same results...

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While I agree with what your saying, it doesn't hurt to help noobs get a reasonable reference point to consider. They just need to understand they're not going to be able to simply plug and play the exact same setup and expect the same results...

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According to the guy who did mine, it's not even a reasonable reference point for other projectors. I used someone else's, and they were WAY off when my guy was calibrating mine.

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Is it suitable to have 5050UB + UH480 Anamorphic Lens to project 175'' (2.35:1) normal gain 1.0 screen?

Without UH480, the screen would be around 140'' (16:9)

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Is it suitable to have 5050UB + UH480 Anamorphic Lens to project 175'' (2.35:1) normal gain 1.0 screen?



Without UH480, the screen would be around 140'' (16:9)



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The 5050 does not support the use of an anamorphic lens. The 6050 does. The lens should probably give you enough additional brightness so you could go with a larger screen. YMMV

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Certainly that's a valid point as it has been made on forum pages many, many times over the years. I do understand and appreciate the reminder, it's just that in my case I live in a small town where I don't have access to professional calibration services. Seeing what others have done, while understanding that it may or may not work for me, gives a starting point for experimenting with the settings on a relatively new product. I'm projecting on a low-gain, 100" white screen in a light-controlled room.
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...jector-review/

Recommended Settings For SDR & HDR

SDR

Mode Natural
Brightness 50
Contrast 50
Color Sat 50
Tint 50
Sharpness 5, 5, 5
Color Temp Custom
Offset R 50
Offset G 48
Offset B 52
Gain R 50
Gain G 51
Gain B 50
Gamma -2
Set the bulb and manual iris to taste
Auto-iris high speed delivers the best possible contrast

HDR

Mode Digital Cinema
Brightness 50
Contrast 50
Color Sat 50
Tint 50
Sharpness 5, 5, 5
Color Temp 8
Skin Tone 3
Custom
Offsets unchanged
Gain R 60
Gain G 58
Gain B 40
HDR4 worked for me but your mileage may vary

Also from Sound & Vision.

"Before calibration, the Epson's default 6500K color temperature preset in Natural color mode displayed very good grayscale tracking, with the Delta E averaging out to 2.6. After calibration, that number improved to 1.4, with a high of 2.7 at 90 percent brightness. (Delta E is a figure of merit indicating how close the color comes to the standards, either D65 for the white point or the color coordinates for each of the primary and secondary colors that define the color gamut under test. Values below 3 are considered to be unnoticeable.)

With the default settings active in Natural color mode, the Delta E of the 5050UB's measured color points averaged out to 1.0. While the projector provides color management system controls, I didn't feel the need to access them given the Epson's faithful out-of- box Rec. 709 color reproduction. Coverage of the P3 color gamut was an impressive 97 percent. Gamma closely tracked a 2.2 target for most of the range when the -1 Gamma preset was selected, with a high of 2.3 at 90 IRE."

These projectors perform great out of the box. Its already 95% there. Don't get caught up in forum hype and spend unnecessary money.
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The 5050 does not support the use of an anamorphic lens. The 6050 does. The lens should probably give you enough additional brightness so you could go with a larger screen. YMMV

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Why 5050 doesn't support it? Can I make the player to stretch to full screen and let anamorphic lens make it 2.35? Thanks.
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While I agree with what your saying, it doesn't hurt to help noobs get a reasonable reference point to consider. They just need to understand they're not going to be able to simply plug and play the exact same setup and expect the same results...

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The simple answer is NO, in no way will you get colour accuracy using someone else’s settings. I’ve been there and the difference between using another’s figures and mine was huge. In fact the factory default settings were closer.

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Why 5050 doesn't support it? Can I make the player to stretch to full screen and let anamorphic lens make it 2.35? Thanks.
He's just indicating the 5050 doesn't provide the necessary stretch or compression display modes for lens use. If you have the means to stretch the image vertically by external player, processor, or software (like madvr) - then the lens should be able to be used.

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Thanks for the link to the review.

One correction though: the 5050 does NOT have 3840x2160 resolution. It has half of that...


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https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...jector-review/

Recommended Settings For SDR & HDR

SDR

Mode Natural
Brightness 50
Contrast 50
Color Sat 50
Tint 50
Sharpness 5, 5, 5
Color Temp Custom
Offset R 50
Offset G 48
Offset B 52
Gain R 50
Gain G 51
Gain B 50
Gamma -2
Set the bulb and manual iris to taste
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Brightness 50
Contrast 50
Color Sat 50
Tint 50
Sharpness 5, 5, 5
Color Temp 8
Skin Tone 3
Custom
Offsets unchanged
Gain R 60
Gain G 58
Gain B 40
HDR4 worked for me but your mileage may vary

Also from Sound & Vision.

"Before calibration, the Epson's default 6500K color temperature preset in Natural color mode displayed very good grayscale tracking, with the Delta E averaging out to 2.6. After calibration, that number improved to 1.4, with a high of 2.7 at 90 percent brightness. (Delta E is a figure of merit indicating how close the color comes to the standards, either D65 for the white point or the color coordinates for each of the primary and secondary colors that define the color gamut under test. Values below 3 are considered to be unnoticeable.)

With the default settings active in Natural color mode, the Delta E of the 5050UB's measured color points averaged out to 1.0. While the projector provides color management system controls, I didn't feel the need to access them given the Epson's faithful out-of- box Rec. 709 color reproduction. Coverage of the P3 color gamut was an impressive 97 percent. Gamma closely tracked a 2.2 target for most of the range when the -1 Gamma preset was selected, with a high of 2.3 at 90 IRE."

These projectors perform great out of the box. Its already 95% there. Don't get caught up in forum hype and spend unnecessary money.
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CamelCamelCamel shows that this is the lowest price Amazon has had for the 5050, though it has been this low before.

Why is it that so few retailers seem to carry the 6050?
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FYI, best price I have seen on sale this morning from Amazon - $2699 - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1
Price talk is not allowed except in the deals area of the forum. I would hate for anyone to get an infraction. Might want to edit.

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He's just indicating the 5050 doesn't provide the necessary stretch or compression display modes for lens use. If you have the means to stretch the image vertically by external player, processor, or software (like madvr) - then the lens should be able to be used.
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Hey guys,
Longtime lurker in the thread. I just found what sounds (to me) like a hell of a deal on an RS440U B stock. I was about ready to pull the trigger on the 5050UB, but there's now a substantial price difference in the JVC's favor. Any thoughts on which one to recommend? Beaming onto a 120" in a fully light controlled room. Coming from a Sony HW40ES. Main priority's are increased contrast/black levels and sharpness/perceived clarity.

Also, stupid question but if a dealer is referring to the RS440, that’s the same product as the RS440U right?

Thanks!

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Longtime lurker in the thread. I just found what sounds (to me) like a hell of a deal on an RS440U B stock. I was about ready to pull the trigger on the 5050UB, but there's now a substantial price difference in the JVC's favor. Any thoughts on which one to recommend? Beaming onto a 120" in a fully light controlled room. Coming from a Sony HW40ES. Main priority's are increased contrast/black levels and sharpness/perceived clarity.
If the lessor amount of Lumen output is no issue, and your B-Stock RS440 is warrantied, and the price is a low as you seem to indicate, do not hesitate another instant!

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No stupid questions...except the one's you should have asked first....and in those cases...stupid is as stupid didn't.

Yes...they are the same.

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If the lessor amount of Lumen output is no issue, and your B-Stock RS440 is warrantied, and the price is a low as you seem to indicate, do not hesitate another instant!

No stupid questions...except the one's you should have asked first....and in those cases...stupid is as stupid didn't.

Yes...they are the same.


But be advised that any Lamp replacement down the road will be substantially more expensive.
Yeah, I'm torn. It's no returns unless defective, 1 year warranty, which seems a bit iffy. The higher price of the Epson is fine for me as it's what I was planning to pay anyway, but I'd hate to pay substantially more for less (or the same) performance. My setup is well light controlled (dark navy matte walls and ceiling no windows) but I appreciated the peak brightness of the Epson in the admittedly awkward demo I got of it at Best Buy. For HDR purposes the lumens difference might be relevant.
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Yeah, I'm torn. It's no returns unless defective, 1 year warranty, which seems a bit iffy. The higher price of the Epson is fine for me as it's what I was planning to pay anyway, but I'd hate to pay substantially more for less (or the same) performance. My setup is well light controlled (dark navy matte walls and ceiling no windows) but I appreciated the peak brightness of the Epson in the admittedly awkward demo I got of it at Best Buy. For HDR purposes the lumens difference might be relevant.
How far from the screen will either projector be positioned, plus it’s a 120” screen but is it white or gray and what’s the gain as these will affect brightness especially when watching HDR content.

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How far from the screen will either projector be positioned, plus it’s a 120” screen but is it white or gray and what’s the gain as these will affect brightness especially when watching HDR content.
Silver ticket 1.0 gain white. I'd have to double check the measurement but I believe it's about 13' from the lens to the screen.

Luminated, you had a HW40es before you upgraded, right? How big a jump was a the contrast/black levels by comparison with the 5050ub?
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Should I feel bad about using natural over digital cinema? Digital cinema can look good and has the P3 color, but using natural with some tweaked settings just makes the picture look so much more vibrant. Even when I am in a completely dark room natural just looks so much better. Plus with natural I can use medium lamp. Maybe with P3 I just dont know what I am looking for or maybe I am so conditioned to brighter screens, but digital cinema seems dark.
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Silver ticket 1.0 gain white. I'd have to double check the measurement but I believe it's about 13' from the lens to the screen.

Luminated, you had a HW40es before you upgraded, right? How big a jump was a the contrast/black levels by comparison with the 5050ub?
I had the HW45es, not sure how much of an improvement it’s blacks were over the 40es but the Epson is better than the 45es though I wouldn’t say it’s a huge improvement, where the Epson scores BIG TIME over my Sony was with 4K and HDR.

I’ve spoke with @MississippiMan about either painting my existing 16:9 screen or building a new 21:9 and painting it, according to him I will notice an improvement in blacks without affecting the white so for a very modest outlay I will approach 440 levels of blacks with all the benefits of the Epson’s HDR.

Win win in my book, all I need to do is win over the wife as it requires spraying in situ something she isn’t that keen with.

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Should I feel bad about using natural over digital cinema? Digital cinema can look good and has the P3 color, but using natural with some tweaked settings just makes the picture look so much more vibrant. Even when I am in a completely dark room natural just looks so much better. Plus with natural I can use medium lamp. Maybe with P3 I just dont know what I am looking for or maybe I am so conditioned to brighter screens, but digital cinema seems dark.
I think you are conditioned to looking at overtly bright screens. I bet if a calibrator came in a calibrated your natural setting properly you’d hate it and find it too dull, you just need to recondition what you are use to.

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I had the HW45es, not sure how much of an improvement it’s blacks were over the 40es but the Epson is better than the 45es though I wouldn’t say it’s a huge improvement, where the Epson scores BIG TIME over my Sony was with 4K and HDR.



I’ve spoke with @MississippiMan about either painting my existing 16:9 screen or building a new 21:9 and painting it, according to him I will notice an improvement in blacks without affecting the white so for a very modest outlay I will approach 440 levels of blacks with all the benefits of the Epson’s HDR.



Win win in my book, all I need to do is win over the wife as it requires spraying in situ something she isn’t that keen with.
If you're on the fence about a painted screen, having one myself, I can tell you it's comparable to screens that cost several thousand dollars, not to mention you don't have to deal with black bars when switching between aspect ratios. I got my Black Flame Interstellar through MississippiMan. He was VERY helpful through the entire painting process. It's a very nice gray color, so it shouldn't be a hard sell to the wife. That's what mine looks like.

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I've been lurking here for awhile and hearing all the good things about this unit. I've had a 5040 for 3 years, and love it (except for the 30Hz HDR limitation)...


I couldn't resist the 5050UB price reduction on Amazon, and I had the green light from the better half. So my new 5050 will be delivered Wednesday - can't wait to set it up and tweak to my liking.


I have a dedicated HT with a 155" x 74" Seymour Center Stage XD screen - roughly 2.1:1, to maximize 2:39 and 16:9 content. The 5040 had no problem with HDR on that large screen, so the 5050 should be even better. I'll report back when I get the 5050 tweaked. My 5040 is for sale in the AVS classifieds.



Thanks everyone for the great input on this unit!


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I've been lurking here for awhile and hearing all the good things about this unit. I've had a 5040 for 3 years, and love it (except for the 30Hz HDR limitation)...


I couldn't resist the 5050UB price reduction on Amazon, and I had the green light from the better half. So my new 5050 will be delivered Wednesday - can't wait to set it up and tweak to my liking.


I have a dedicated HT with a 155" x 74" Seymour Center Stage XD screen - roughly 2.1:1, to maximize 2:39 and 16:9 content. The 5040 had no problem with HDR on that large screen, so the 5050 should be even better. I'll report back when I get the 5050 tweaked. My 5040 is for sale in the AVS classifieds.



Thanks everyone for the great input on this unit!


My 6050ub just arrived tonight. It is going into a home theater room with a 175" diagonal Carl Flexiwhite screen replacing my 5 year old 5030ub with just over 1000hrs on it. Can't wait to mount it and get it dialed in! I will also be posting my projector for sale. I had added a gofanco 4K-1080P scaler to allow me to get Atmos and higher quality from my sources than 1080P which held me.over up until this point. Looking forward to the ability to have HDR and better contrast, although I will be honest that I was always very happy with my current setup and have no real complaints so really am looking forward to this new upgrade.

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My 6050ub just arrived tonight. It is going into a home theater room with a 175" diagonal Carl Flexiwhite screen replacing my 5 year old 5030ub with just over 1000hrs on it. Can't wait to mount it and get it dialed in! I will also be posting my projector for sale. I had added a gofanco 4K-1080P scaler to allow me to get Atmos and higher quality from my sources than 1080P which held me.over up until this point. Looking forward to the ability to have HDR and better contrast, although I will be honest that I was always very happy with my current setup and have no real complaints so really am looking forward to this new upgrade.

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Are your front left and right speakers horizontally under the screen?

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