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Well she's a beast, comparison shot to my 5020
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Finally someone who actually owns a projector like I do and is as blown away as I am. Quite frankly little tired of reading post about people who never owned either the 5040 or the 5050 saying that it couldn't possibly be worth the extra $1,000. Having own both of them it is certainly worth the extra $1,000. I'm all for people who have differing opinions and having an intelligent discussion about them because everybody's eyesight is different everybody's preferences different and everybody's room conditions are different but if you honestly haven't seen either projector or if only seen one or the other how could I take your opinion seriously.
I’m pretty sure myself and @Alaric have been BIGGING IT UP about this projector for quite some time. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]

Very few projectors can genuinely be considered an alternative to a JVC and this is definitely one of them.
Yes you and Alaric certainly have and thank you for that. I guess it was just some of the more recent posts from forum members squinting at computer and uttering " all the measurements are the same as the 5040" without having viewed either the 5050 or the 5040 was driving me a wee bit mad. You and Alaric made me genuinely excited before my 5050 arrived so thanks again. I agree 100% that the 5050 can truly compete with the new true 4k projectors and at this price point to boot. Truly amazing projector.
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Well she's a beast, comparison shot to my 5020
Thanks for posting that. I forgot how small my 5030 was. LOL.
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Since you're all about specs and measurements instead of opinions which even a professional review is just an opinion, by actual people who own the projector, what projector do you own and why.
I own a TW9300W and a TW9300 and couldn't be happier. I'm saying that the 5050/9400 is a great projector, just as the 5040/9300, but you make it sound as if they are two totally different projectors. The 5050 is basically the same projector with a few software tweaks and 18Gbps capability.

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Since you're all about specs and measurements instead of opinions which even a professional review is just an opinion, by actual people who own the projector, what projector do you own and why.
I own a TW9300W and a TW9300 and couldn't be happier. I'm saying that the 5050/9400 is a great projector, just as the 5040/9300, but you make it sound as if they are two totally different projectors. The 5050 is basically the same projector with a few software tweaks and 18Gbps capability.
Thanks for your honesty. I get it now. You can't upgrade yet and you are trying to justify not upgrading by any means necessary. Now your interest in this thread and the tone of your posts make a lote more sense. Once again thanks for your honesty. If you ever want to bring your projector over to my theater and I will invite local forum members and they can decide which one they would rather have in their theater let me know. I am about an hour outside of Philadelphia.
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Thanks for your honesty. I get it now. You can't upgrade yet and you are trying to justify not upgrading by any means necessary. Now your interest in this thread and the tone of your posts make a lote more sense. Once again thanks for your honesty. If you ever want to bring your projector over to my theater and I will invite local forum members and they can decide which one they would rather have in their theater let me know. I am about an hour outside of Philadelphia.
I would never upgrade from a 5040 to a 5050, as I do not game on my projectors and HDR is plenty bright with a custom curve in Digital Cinema mode. My next upgrade will be to a native 4K Epson PJ.

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Thanks for your honesty. I get it now. You can't upgrade yet and you are trying to justify not upgrading by any means necessary. Now your interest in this thread and the tone of your posts make a lote more sense. Once again thanks for your honesty. If you ever want to bring your projector over to my theater and I will invite local forum members and they can decide which one they would rather have in their theater let me know. I am about an hour outside of Philadelphia.
I would never upgrade from a 5040 to a 5050, as I do not game on my projectors and HDR is plenty bright with a custom curve in Digital Cinema mode. My next upgrade will be to a native 4K Epson PJ.
Well IMHO you are missing out but as long as you are happy that is the most important part of this hobby. Having owned both I could never go back to the 5040 custom gamma curves or not. Like you I agree that a Native 4K Epson Laser projector will be my next projector. Unfortunately for all of us that is probably at least two years away and maybe never. Epson understands the part of the market that buys their projectors and the price point to get Native 4K and Laser isn't really in their customer demographics base. They would have to grab that market share from Sony and know JVC and both of their diehard fans are very anti- Epson. So I am not waiting around for a projector from Epson that may never come.
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Well IMHO you are missing out but as long as you are happy that is the most important part of this hobby. Having owned both I could never go back to the 5040 custom gamma curves or not. Like you I agree that a Native 4K Epson Laser projector will be my next projector. Unfortunately for all of us that is probably at least two years away and maybe never. Epson understands the part of the market that buys their projectors and the price point to get Native 4K and Laser isn't really in their customer demographics base. They would have to grab that market share from Sony and know JVC and both of their diehard fans are very anti- Epson. So I am not waiting around for a projector from Epson that may never come.
Maybe not laser but a lamp based native 4K projector should be the logical progression for Epson in 2 years time. There's not much more they can do with the current e-shift line as evidenced by the minor improvement of this year's model.

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just some quick pics using our planet as a reference. My setup is just a lower level family room but we have large panel blackouts on the sliding back window and enough curtain coverage. So this is with some daylight still coming in from the floor above, perfectly usable during the day, and the room is much better at night when we use the projector like 95% of the time anyway. Did a few quick tests with infinity wars as well and looks damn nice

Also I dont see the issue that @scottyroo was seeing where it doesnt automatically engage HDR. It works just fine both with my shield using kodi/netflix, and on my xfinity box when using netflix. Gets the HDR10 signal info, see the pj blank, check info and its flipped to HDR mode and the slider is available and remembers the last position

This is also pre any tweaks at all. Ive only tried flipping between bright cinema and natural modes and havent tried any of Alaric's settings yet and it already looks great compared to the 5020, then again I am coming from a 2500hr bulb, though we have been using it on high and right now Im running the 5050 at medium power
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just some quick pics using our planet as a reference. My setup is just a lower level family room but we have large panel blackouts on the sliding back window and enough curtain coverage. So this is with some daylight still coming in from the floor above, perfectly usable during the day, and the room is much better at night when we use the projector like 95% of the time anyway. Did a few quick tests with infinity wars as well and looks damn nice



Also I dont see the issue that @scottyroo was seeing where it doesnt automatically engage HDR. It works just fine both with my shield using kodi/netflix, and on my xfinity box when using netflix. Gets the HDR10 signal info, see the pj blank, check info and its flipped to HDR mode and the slider is available and remembers the last position



This is also pre any tweaks at all. Ive only tried flipping between bright cinema and natural modes and havent tried any of Alaric's settings yet and it already looks great compared to the 5020, then again I am coming from a 2500hr bulb, though we have been using it on high and right now Im running the 5050 at medium power


It’s not that it doesn’t engage hdr... it’s that the calibrated color, brightness, contrast, and grayscale settings don’t switch over to your preferred HDR picture mode when it kicks into HDR.

Take for instance you have a few calibrated modes.... one for bright HDTV, one for calibrated SDR material, and one for calibrated HDR BT2020 material. If you pop in and HDR disc and most recently watched a football game and have it in your bright HDTV mode, the projector will not change your preferred mode when HDR kicks in. Most manufacturers do this now and Epson does not.
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It’s not that it doesn’t engage hdr... it’s that the calibrated color, brightness, contrast, and grayscale settings don’t switch over to your preferred HDR picture mode when it kicks into HDR.

Take for instance you have a few calibrated modes.... one for bright HDTV, one for calibrated SDR material, and one for calibrated HDR BT2020 material. If you pop in and HDR disc and most recently watched a football game and have it in your bright HDTV mode, the projector will not change your preferred mode when HDR kicks in. Most manufacturers do this now and Epson does not.
Ahh ok, that makes sense now
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Well IMHO you are missing out but as long as you are happy that is the most important part of this hobby. Having owned both I could never go back to the 5040 custom gamma curves or not. Like you I agree that a Native 4K Epson Laser projector will be my next projector. Unfortunately for all of us that is probably at least two years away and maybe never. Epson understands the part of the market that buys their projectors and the price point to get Native 4K and Laser isn't really in their customer demographics base. They would have to grab that market share from Sony and know JVC and both of their diehard fans are very anti- Epson. So I am not waiting around for a projector from Epson that may never come.
Maybe not laser but a lamp based native 4K projector should be the logical progression for Epson in 2 years time. There's not much more they can do with the current e-shift line as evidenced by the minor improvement of this year's model. <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_wink.png" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
You got me you made me laugh. You must have the best 5040 ever if you consider the 5050 just some minor improvements. I many others of course are of a different opinion but that's what great we all can have our own idea home theater Heaven
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On my 100 inch screen in my bat cave I use these settings in digital cinema mode. Lamp is in eco contrast to 75 and HDR slider depends on content.



I use this for SDR with great results again lamp in eco I have posted screen shots back up the thread showing Iron Man 2

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On my 100 inch screen in my bat cave I use these settings in digital cinema mode. Lamp is in eco contrast to 75 and HDR slider depends on content.



I use this for SDR with great results again lamp in eco I have posted screen shots back up the thread showing Iron Man 2

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Those settings of mine was very early on before I realised it was set to full (0-255) instead of Auto (16-235).

I’d seriously check out the settings of @Alaric .

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Those settings of mine was very early on before I realised it was set to full (0-255) instead of Auto (16-235).



I’d seriously check out the settings of @Alaric .


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Video range, it was set on full which is the setting for computer, for BluRay etc you should have it set on Auto or Limited which is (16-235).

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Do you mean this forum (AVS forum)? If so I don't see it for some reason ..
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Video range, it was set on full which is the setting for computer, for BluRay etc you should have it set on Auto or Limited which is (16-235).


Where do I find that setting in what menu


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Just tossing in my initial experience with the 5050 as a former 5040 owner...for me, very worth the upgrade. I also have the UB820 and HDR is really a lot more enjoyable. Its easier to accomplish an excellent image that isn't too dim, blown out, muddy...whatever. This projector is my primary display for watching TV, movies and gaming in a moderately light-controlled living room. Paired with an ALR screen, I am extremely happy.

I totally understand the reaction/expectation that the improvements are incremental, but the HDR slider for me is a game changer that makes HDR feel like less of a "hack", fighting a semi-trial-and-error process to find a good-enough calibration that gets as close as possible. I think I'll be able to enjoy movies more now, instead of thinking during the film "how can I make that look better next time".

Of course, YMMV.
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Nope I mean the AVForum (uk site), @Alaric has a link to his settings there.
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Click menu when menu pops up then click on Signal and the Advanced, there you’ll see the options Auto, Limited & Full.
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Any comments from former 5040 owners regarding 3D performance on the 5050? Better/same/worse?

Also, how about motion? Does the 5050 handle motion any better than the 5040? Is the frame interpolation on 1080p content improved at all?
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Can some of you who have the 5050, chime in on how it performs with sports action ? I'm specifically interested in hockey , basketball, football, and if it is blurry . Thanks
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Curious if you can get the 1.01 firmware update installed. I had no luck with it.
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I am having a similar connection issue as you. Here is my setup

Epson 505-UB, 50ft HDMI 2.2 compliant cable, Marantz 8802A, Apple TV 4k.

For me, I can get no communication to work, at all, through the Marantz into HDMI 1.
I cannot get any communication to work, at all, with the Apple TV 4k directly driving the 50ft cable into HDMI1.
I can get my Oppo Blue Ray play which can upscale to 4K to play through the Marantz and into HDMI1.

Here's what's weird now.

I can get the Apple TV to communicate to the 5050 on HDMI2 input. It will not work with HDR 4K but SDR seems to work. This works both directly driving the long cable and through the Marantz 8802A.

I have tried two different AppleTV 4k units so either that source is underpowered or there is a problem elsewhere.

I am suspecting a problem in the 5050 on HDMI1 at this point and my next step may be to get another unit from Best Buy through Magnolia.

(I have not tried the firmware update)
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Anyone seen a change log for the 1.01 firmware, or know what it fixes?
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@groggrog

I am having a similar connection issue as you. Here is my setup

Epson 505-UB, 50ft HDMI 2.2 compliant cable, Marantz 8802A, Apple TV 4k.

For me, I can get no communication to work, at all, through the Marantz into HDMI 1.
I cannot get any communication to work, at all, with the Apple TV 4k directly driving the 50ft cable into HDMI1.
I can get my Oppo Blue Ray play which can upscale to 4K to play through the Marantz and into HDMI1.

Here's what's weird now.

I can get the Apple TV to communicate to the 5050 on HDMI2 input. It will not work with HDR 4K but SDR seems to work. This works both directly driving the long cable and through the Marantz 8802A.

I have tried two different AppleTV 4k units so either that source is underpowered or there is a problem elsewhere.

I am suspecting a problem in the 5050 on HDMI1 at this point and my next step may be to get another unit from Best Buy through Magnolia.

(I have not tried the firmware update)
You say you have a 50ft HDMI cable, is it an Opti-HDMI cable. We have found this makes all the difference, not cheap but definitely cures all problems.

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Can some of you who have the 5050, chime in on how it performs with sports action ? I'm specifically interested in hockey , basketball, football, and if it is blurry . Thanks


Big sports fan, everything looks good. Watched a lot of recent NBA playoffs, No motion artifacts. I played around briefly with FI, but not an expert and like I've mentioned before everything on this PJ just pops off the screen, even my upscaled VCR content thru HDMI, I kid you not!

I really love the extra brightness for sports, even in ECO mode, with moderately dimmed CAN lighting, I watch sports. Turn my CANs on full blast and turn the PJ to Medium brightness and all is good. Did I mention VERY little fan noise, in fact I have the turn the volume down so low on the source to hear the fans, i would never do that in practical use. I don't know what I'd use Bright Mode for, maybe emergency lighting? or send an SOS?, or project the Batman logo in the sky?, lol!

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