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post #451 of 4053 Old 04-21-2019, 08:33 AM
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I am having a similar connection issue as you. Here is my setup

Epson 505-UB, 50ft HDMI 2.2 compliant cable, Marantz 8802A, Apple TV 4k.

For me, I can get no communication to work, at all, through the Marantz into HDMI 1.
I cannot get any communication to work, at all, with the Apple TV 4k directly driving the 50ft cable into HDMI1.
I can get my Oppo Blue Ray play which can upscale to 4K to play through the Marantz and into HDMI1.

Here's what's weird now.

I can get the Apple TV to communicate to the 5050 on HDMI2 input. It will not work with HDR 4K but SDR seems to work. This works both directly driving the long cable and through the Marantz 8802A.

I have tried two different AppleTV 4k units so either that source is underpowered or there is a problem elsewhere.

I am suspecting a problem in the 5050 on HDMI1 at this point and my next step may be to get another unit from Best Buy through Magnolia.

(I have not tried the firmware update)
Sounds like your cable isn't supporting either a handshake, or 18Gps. Does it work with another 4K HDR display? I've seen a lot of cables for sale stating they support 2.2, but in the fine print they say they are only 10Gbps and I've seen active cables stating they support 4k/HDR @ 18Gbps and in the fine print they still have the old redmere chip sets. @ 50 ft and over, a guaranteed active cable with Spectra 7 chipset or fiber optic HDMi is cheap insurance to insure handshake and 18Gbps support.
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My JVC RS-15 is at the end of its life and I literally had the 5040 on order from Best Buy before realizing the 5050 had been released. I'm assuming I will see a noticeable improvement in brightness and detail. I held off because I need to do another cable run for 4k. Going to take a pro to run the cable for me. Oh well. I can wait.

Only downside for me is not switching automatically to HDR. Hopefully a firmware update will fix that down the road. Looking forward to more reviews!
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Sounds like your cable isn't supporting either a handshake, or 18Gps. Does it work with another 4K HDR display? I've seen a lot of cables for sale stating they support 2.2, but in the fine print they say they are only 10Gbps and I've seen active cables stating they support 4k/HDR @ 18Gbps and in the fine print they still have the old redmere chip sets. @ 50 ft and over, a guaranteed active cable with Spectra 7 chipset or fiber optic HDMi is cheap insurance to insure handshake and 18Gbps support.
Update: At this point I am suspecting the cable too. I have a reasonable workaround for the time being. The 5050UB has the EDID setting set to Expanded by default. This setting allows the projector to advertise the high speed HDR settings to the AppleTV 4K which it happily accepts. This puts the two devices in an endless loop of trying to negotiate this speed and failing. The 5050UB doesn't even allow you to access the menus during this time because it falls into and back out of connection with the Apple TV.

In my first post, I had disabled Expanded EDID on HDMI2 and that's why it was working. When I set this to Normal for HDMI1, it began working for me there too.

Now the engineering in me has this to say: This failed negotiation in the 5050 should eventually timeout (EPSON engineers reading this pay attention). A message should be displayed saying, this source cannot negotiate the attempted speed XXXX, would you like to turn off expanded EDID for this input? I cannot imagine how frustrating this must be for a non-technical user who would likely just return the whole unit. Also, what's the deal with all the information hiding? How about adding a debug mode showing the currently advertised mode and the negotiated rate so the user can understand what is happening?

Anyhow, I have a workaround for now. I'll look into an Optical HDMI cable to get my 4K HDR back. I've seen other threads about the Marantz 8802A having trouble with some optical HDMI cables so I may need to pay special attention the brand too.
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My JVC RS-15 is at the end of its life and I literally had the 5040 on order from Best Buy before realizing the 5050 had been released. I'm assuming I will see a noticeable improvement in brightness and detail. I held off because I need to do another cable run for 4k. Going to take a pro to run the cable for me. Oh well. I can wait.

Only downside for me is not switching automatically to HDR. Hopefully a firmware update will fix that down the road. Looking forward to more reviews!
The dynamic range of the 5050 does change automatically. What setting are you referring to that doesn't change?
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The dynamic range of the 5050 does change automatically. What setting are you referring to that doesn't change?
Scotty’s review saying it doesn’t change to preferred picture mode in HDR.
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Scotty’s review saying it doesn’t change to preferred picture mode in HDR.
I was confused by that as well, I think it was the wording. He said earlier its that he wishes that it would change OTHER settings when it detected HDR. So that you could have one color/gamma/etc calibration when it detected SDR and a different one when it detected HDR
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I was confused by that as well, I think it was the wording. He said earlier its that he wishes that it would change OTHER settings when it detected HDR. So that you could have one color/gamma/etc calibration when it detected SDR and a different one when it detected HDR
In that case you are correct. It doesn't let you specify a color mode when HDR is detected(Digital Cinema vs Bright Cinema).

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Sounds like this is such an easy thing to add via a firmware update. Simply add a user selected "Preferred HDR Color Mode" and a "Preferred SDR Color Mode" and, voila, a lot of happy Epson customers are now even happier.
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Is there anybody here who had/owned and compared 3700 projector to 5050? I want to know specifically, how fan noise of 3700 in ECO mode compares to noise of 5050 in HDR full lamp mode. My wife`s major grief with the whole projector thing is the noise level, and i am concerned quite a bit how it will work out, if i go with 5050 and it will be noisier than 3070 - as we never run it now in full brightness mode, ever, as it it quite loud that way and is hanging right above the sitting area.
In Eco it is OK, and by the numbers in the 5050 specs it is not quite conclusive how loud it is compared to 3700, or how loud it is in what specific mode.
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Is there anybody here who had/owned and compared 3700 projector to 5050? I want to know specifically, how fan noise of 3700 in ECo mode compares to noise of 5050 in HDR full lamp mode. My wife`s major grief with the whole projector thing is the noise level, and i am concerned quite a bit how it will work out, if i go with 5050 and it will be noisier than 3070 - as we never run it in full mode, ever, as it it quite loud that way. In Eco it is OK, and by the numbers in the 5050 specs it is not quite conclusive how loud it is compared to 3700.


I came from a 3700 and never ran that in any mode other than Eco. I have a dedicated room. The 5050UB is night and day better in every way and worth every penny. The colors and contrast is amazing. The blacks are so much improved from its the first thing that smacks you in the face after turning it on. It is a light cannon too and seems quieter. Again, this is on a 100 inch 16:9 Grey screen in a dark room.


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I came from a 3700 and never ran that in any mode other than Eco. I have a dedicated room. The 5050UB is night and day better in every way and worth every penny. The colors and contrast is amazing. The blacks are so much improved from its the first thing that smacks you in the face after turning it on. It is a light cannon too and seems quieter. Again, this is on a 100 inch 16:9 Grey screen in a dark room.


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i just want to confirm, how exactly 5050 in full brightness mode compares to 3700 in ECO? is it louder/comparable/more/less - essentially, is it usable at all in full lamp mode, as 3700 was, efficiently, not really usable in full mode, as it would be way too loud. if more loud - to what level?

image quality wise is it all clear and understandable, no questions here at all, i specifically want to understand how the fan noise compares.
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I'm picking my 5050 up today. One of the points I remember reading about was the issue of how to specify when and where to do the 1080P to 4K or vice versa. For instance, my Roku Ultra can take a Netflix 4K and output it as 4K. Then the 5050 has to down convert it to 1080 and then back to wobulated 4K. Has anyone bookmarked that discussion. It's many pages back and hard to search on.

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also, if anybody could confirm if this HDMI cord will work OK with it - it would be great. i need 50ft one, so, i presume optical is the only way to go.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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also, if anybody could confirm if this HDMI cord will work OK with it - it would be great. i need 50ft one, so, i presume optical is the only way to go.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
50ft for $65; that's a good deal. Hope the quality is there. Be very careful with it. They are fragile. I had one break and had to return it.

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50ft for $65; that's a good deal. Hope the quality is there. Be very careful with it. They are fragile. I had one break and had to return it.
i hope too, placed an order on amazon for both, hope it will work out. i am concerned only about 2 things - the size of the thing and the noise. as if it will not be possible to run it in HDR mode - i have no real justification for it. the absolute majority of content i watch is in 1080p, so, 4K by itself is not really needed that much. i hope to get a bit better quality in 3D, black levels and HDR.

also, it seems that it may not like the position of where my 3700 ceiling mount is now, at least from online calculator it seems that 5500 lens is not going to cover screen from where 3700 sits now, i hope it is not the case, as i really do not want to re-drill the ceiling again... will see.
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i just want to confirm, how exactly 5050 in full brightness mode compares to 3700 in ECO? is it louder/comparable/more/less - essentially, is it usable at all in full lamp mode, as 3700 was, efficiently, not really usable in full mode, as it would be way too loud. if more loud - to what level?

image quality wise is it all clear and understandable, no questions here at all, i specifically want to understand how the fan noise compares.
I have an Epson 3700 and 5030UB as well. I would be STUNNED if the 5050 in full power mode is as quiet as the 3700 on ECO. My expectation will be the 5050 will probably fall somewhere in the middle of medium and full brightness of the 3700 in regards to noise. If the 3700 is ceiling mounted above you and medium bothers you I would say you'll likely find the 5050 noisy in full brightness mode. I'm only making a guess as I don't have one yet but my experience with Epson is that they don't make whisper silent projectors. My experience with medium on the 3700 is that unless it's a perfectly silent part of a movie, I don't hear it. It's ceiling mounted right above where I sit.
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Hey guys. My 5050 is showing up in the next hour or so and I was wondering if there’s a firmware update already available for this model. If so, I would like to knock it out first before going through the setup process and adjusting pictures. I believe I read somewhere that it allows FI with a 1080p 4K enhanced picture? A link to the upgrade would be perfect if someone has it. Thanks!


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Hey guys. My 5050 is showing up in the next hour or so and I was wondering if there’s a firmware update already available for this model. If so, I would like to knock it out first before going through the setup process and adjusting pictures. I believe I read somewhere that it allows FI with a 1080p 4K enhanced picture? A link to the upgrade would be perfect if someone has it. Thanks!


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Yours will probably already have it. I think the latest is 1.01 and mine that showed up Saturday already had it
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My experience with medium on the 3700 is that unless it's a perfectly silent part of a movie, I don't hear it. It's ceiling mounted right above where I sit.
hmm, dunno. for us medium level of 3700 is very noticeable, pretty much always, maybe due to the way it is mounted now or how room is set. i may wait a bit longer then with this purchase, really want to know for sure from others on this topic first before i commit to it.
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hmm, dunno. for us medium level of 3700 is very noticeable, pretty much always, maybe due to the way it is mounted now or how room is set. i may wait a bit longer then with this purchase, really want to know for sure from others on this topic first before i commit to it.

I just don't think you're going to get anything quieter than what the 3700 does on medium with the 5050 on full blast. The other thing I'd be interested in is with the 5030 the projector fan is quite a bit louder inverted. Did they fix this with the 5040 or perhaps subsequently with the 5050? Something about turning it upside down made the fan louder on the 5030 and not by a small amount.
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For noise compared to our 5020 the 5050 is much quieter so far. We used to run the 5020 in 'normal' and thx preset, so high power lamp but not full brightness mode. On that you could hear the fan in the background slightly, we got used to it so it wasnt a big deal but it was there, plus if it was completely quiet you could hear the iris doing its thing. On the 5050 Ive been using medium power/natural and I cant hear it at all, also no iris noise either (we also have to run in high altitude mode which at least on the 5020 would kick up the fan more often) but much brighter output than the 5020
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I just don't think you're going to get anything quieter than what the 3700 does on medium with the 5050 on full blast. The other thing I'd be interested in is with the 5030 the projector fan is quite a bit louder inverted. Did they fix this with the 5040 or perhaps subsequently with the 5050? Something about turning it upside down made the fan louder on the 5030 and not by a small amount.
it makes sense. well... hmm. will 5050 do HDR acceptably ok in the medium lamp mode? i think from 5040 discussions it was stated that HDR really needs all the light this PJ can produce and even that was not, well, quite enough. i just do not know how would it work in medium lamp setting then and if that is even possible.
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Screen to match 5050

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I'll be getting a 5050 shortly. Going to have a 120 inch screen in a multipurpose room. Decent light control, but some light likely. Wondering about the screen. I can't afford 800 or more for a screen. Wondering if I should get a white or gray screen.
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it makes sense. well... hmm. will 5050 do HDR acceptably ok in the medium lamp mode? i think from 5040 discussions it was stated that HDR really needs all the light this PJ can produce and even that was not, well, quite enough. i just do not know how would it work in medium lamp setting then and if that is even possible.

To be honest, I don't know how you're going to be able to read enough answers to fully know. If you can buy the projector from somewhere with a generous return policy that's really the only way you'll know if this thing will work for you or not. Unless you have a small screen 100" ish or less I'd be surprised if the feedback from here is that the implementation of HDR is appropriate on medium. However, you may find the expanded color space, e-shift capabilities and better blacks more than satisfying. I think you just need to hook one up and play around a bit. Ask enough questions the right way you'll probably find enough consensus to validate the purchase but your eyes and ears in this case are the best judge.
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To be honest, I don't know how you're going to be able to read enough answers to fully know. If you can buy the projector from somewhere with a generous return policy that's really the only way you'll know if this thing will work for you or not. Unless you have a small screen 100" ish or less I'd be surprised if the feedback from here is that the implementation of HDR is appropriate on medium. However, you may find the expanded color space, e-shift capabilities and better blacks more than satisfying. I think you just need to hook one up and play around a bit. Ask enough questions the right way you'll probably find enough consensus to validate the purchase but your eyes and ears in this case are the best judge.


HDR is excellent on ECO on a small screen 100’ as long as you have a proper room. Light controlled and blacked out walls. This is like watching a much bigger version of my Vizio P Series which puts out an excellent picture.


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it makes sense. well... hmm. will 5050 do HDR acceptably ok in the medium lamp mode? i think from 5040 discussions it was stated that HDR really needs all the light this PJ can produce and even that was not, well, quite enough. i just do not know how would it work in medium lamp setting then and if that is even possible.
Depends on quite what you want.
I've an accurate setting which uses the filter mode and on a 120" screen I'm very low on the HDR slider using High power. Great picture and I'm happy with the extra noise as once a movie is playing my Atmos rig makes it irrelevant.

I've also created a HDR bright mode, using Natural, which doesn't have the filter engaged, the colours are a little less accurate bit exceedingly watchable and on most films I've found myself at 6 on the slider using Medium power.

It depends a bit on your setup, screen size and how bright you like it and how the film was mastered.

However i don't know of any current projector that will do better or have the flexibility to give you the choice arround what you are willing to compromise on.

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Thats how I ended up running this past weekend. HDR viewing at medium on a 100in screen with a natural setting, ended up with the hdr at 6/7 and it seemed plenty bright to me
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Thats how I ended up running this past weekend. HDR viewing at medium on a 100in screen with a natural setting, ended up with the hdr at 6/7 and it seemed plenty bright to me
that sound promising, i run 110" screen now and have no plans to alter anything. thx so much for the confirmation.
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Hey guys. My 5050 is showing up in the next hour or so and I was wondering if there’s a firmware update already available for this model. If so, I would like to knock it out first before going through the setup process and adjusting pictures. I believe I read somewhere that it allows FI with a 1080p 4K enhanced picture? A link to the upgrade would be perfect if someone has it. Thanks!


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Firmware 1.01 is here: https://epson.com/Support/wa00805


Let us know if you can get it to install. I haven't been successful with it.
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