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Even the regular 1080p of Lucy is incredible.



I took this image when I was using my Sony HW45es.
Do you have a blu ray source screen shot image when using the Epson 5050?

The detail on your LUCY blu ray image is really quite amazing on Morgan's face....every hair, wrinkle, freckle.....very 4k like, perhaps.

Since I suspect that many of us have accumulated substantial collections of standard blu ray movies, would like to know how the Epson 5050 performs with that material....detail, color, "pop"....etc.

Thanks.
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Do you have a blu ray source screen shot image when using the Epson 5050?



The detail on your LUCY blu ray image is really quite amazing on Morgan's face....every hair, wrinkle, freckle.....very 4k like, perhaps.



Since I suspect that many of us have accumulated substantial collections of standard blu ray movies, would like to know how the Epson 5050 performs with that material....detail, color, "pop"....etc.



Thanks.


The Epson is fantasy on Blu-ray’s. My screen shots can not compare as I did not now how to properly take them but I watched the Dark Knight the other day and was blown away





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Thanks! Nice to know this unit performs exceptionally well in the standard blu ray format. Very helpful information.
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Do you have a blu ray source screen shot image when using the Epson 5050?

The detail on your LUCY blu ray image is really quite amazing on Morgan's face....every hair, wrinkle, freckle.....very 4k like, perhaps.

Since I suspect that many of us have accumulated substantial collections of standard blu ray movies, would like to know how the Epson 5050 performs with that material....detail, color, "pop"....etc.

Thanks.
Lucy is one of those regular Blurays that IMO match the quality of a UHD one. I will try and do one for you but I actually don’t think it will be any better, in my honest opinion the Sony HW45es is right up there with the very best 1080p projectors, also colours on the Sony are spectacular.

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Don't really need a screen shot. Knowing that Blu-rays look exceptional on the 5050 is good enough. Trust the reliable "in person" visual assessments of forum members.
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5050 owners would the image quality be a worthy jump up from my current Epson HC3000 (basically the same as the 3600) ignore 4k content for now (i.e. 4k discs and streaming etc).

FYI I do not game at all other than a little XBOX 360 for the family like rock band, just dance etc.

Movies, Sports (big events - world cup, super bowl etc), regular TV.

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5050 owners would the image quality be a worthy jump up from my current Epson HC3000 (basically the same as the 3600) ignore 4k content for now (i.e. 4k discs and streaming etc).



FYI I do not game at all other than a little XBOX 360 for the family like rock band, just dance etc.



Movies, Sports (big events - world cup, super bowl etc), regular TV.



Room is light controlled but we do leave lights on (about 15 feet away from screen) a lot of the time and we sit about 15 feet back from a 130" screen.



TIA


Yes. Huge difference. Read the whole thread. I came from a 3700. Night and day with blacks P3 color is awesome. Having the motorized lens is nice and the ability to change to different screens. It is large that’s the only issue, I had to buy a more robust mount.


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Don't really need a screen shot. Knowing that Blu-rays look exceptional on the 5050 is good enough. Trust the reliable "in person" visual assessments of forum members.
I’d far rather show you the differences and why I rate the Sony quite special as a 1080P PJ and at the same time why I think so highly of the Epson which in my opinion matches the Sony but then offers so much more with 4K, auto Lens and Lens memories, true HDR capabilities and even better contrast though only slight.

Top image is the Sony HW45es which we both rate exceptional

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9ht7b8ome...%2011.png?dl=0

The second is the Epson

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ito76v6br8...%2002.png?dl=0

The other factor that has changed apart from the projectors is different Bluray players, the Sony image was with the Sony X700 and the Epson with the Panasonic 420. Personally I think the Sony is better with 1080p material where as the Panasonic is better with 4K.

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Thanks so much for the two image comparisons which you provided. Both look exceptional for 1080p material.

My blu ray player is an OPPO 203. Will probably be getting the Epson 5050 in the future. Knowing that the 5050 handles standard blu ray exceptionally well is a big plus as I have a large blu ray collection.

If any forum members have the OPPO 203 / EPSON 5050 combo up and running, would enjoy hearing about the blu ray and, of course, 4k disc images that result.
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picking my 5050 tomorrow... question why is there such a difference in contrast from the 9400 to the 5050 I noticed that this one's a million-to-one but the UK version is 1.2 million... is there a reason why it's been down to 1 million in the u.s.?and why the UK version has the advantage?... Also I'm actually coming from an Epson 5010...if any current owners out there have had a 5010 ..i hope this will be a worthy buy
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picking my 5050 tomorrow... question why is there such a difference in contrast from the 9400 to the 5050 I noticed that this one's a million-to-one but the UK version is 1.2 million... is there a reason why it's been down to 1 million in the u.s.?and why the UK version has the advantage?... Also I'm actually coming from an Epson 5010...if any current owners out there have had a 5010 ..i hope this will be a worthy buy
That's a great question. I will ask Epson product support. I have a contact. I will be attending the Epson projector event for AVS Forum in NYC on Tuesday. Epson is flying in one of their leading projector engineers from Japan. I hope to be able to ask that question as well. My guess is that in real world contrast measurements bother the 5050 and the 9400 measure the same but in the US where there is a little more litigious nature they went with the more conservative contrast number. IMHO.
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does it bother anyone else how the entire word "the" is capitalized for no reason in the title of this thread? seems very ostentatious.

edit - i believe it can only be changed by either the thread creator @scottyroo , or a moderator.
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That's a great question. I will ask Epson product support. I have a contact. I will be attending the Epson projector event for AVS Forum in NYC on Tuesday. Epson is flying in one of their leading projector engineers from Japan. I hope to be able to ask that question as well. My guess is that in real world contrast measurements bother the 5050 and the 9400 measure the same but in the US where there is a little more litigious nature they went with the more conservative contrast number. IMHO.
According to Projector Central editor Rob Sabin, Epson took some extra time to tweak the 5050UB for the North American release. It was still a work in progress when he saw it under NDA at CES in January and Sabin was told at the time that the 5050UB would also have a 1,200,000:1 dynamic contrast, but at release all the materials are now saying 1,000,000:1. He surmises that improvements didn't pan out consistently after the final tuning and Epson went with the more conservative spec for the North American model. Whether the dynamic contrast is rated as 1.2 million to 1 or 1 million to one, it's not a significant difference on the screen and may not even be noticeable at all.

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That's a great question. I will ask Epson product support. I have a contact. I will be attending the Epson projector event for AVS Forum in NYC on Tuesday. Epson is flying in one of their leading projector engineers from Japan. I hope to be able to ask that question as well. My guess is that in real world contrast measurements bother the 5050 and the 9400 measure the same but in the US where there is a little more litigious nature they went with the more conservative contrast number. IMHO.
According to Projector Central editor Rob Sabin, Epson took some extra time to tweak the 5050UB for the North American release. It was still a work in progress when he saw it under NDA at CES in January and Sabin was told at the time that the 5050UB would also have a 1,200,000:1 dynamic contrast, but at release all the materials are now saying 1,000,000:1. He surmises that improvements didn't pan out consistently after the final tuning and Epson went with the more conservative spec for the North American model. Whether the dynamic contrast is rated as 1.2 million to 1 or 1 million to one, it's not a significant difference on the screen and may not even be noticeable at all.
Thank you MidnightWatcher. I saw Rob's comments in the comments section on the projector release he put out early April. It is strange the 6050UB still shows the 1,200,000:1 contrast ratio . Will shall see what the release for the 6050 says on Tuesday. Either way the 5050 still gives off a great picture and I look forward to seeing the 6050 in person on Tuesday.
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Thank you MidnightWatcher. I saw Rob's comments in the comments section on the projector release he put out early April. It is strange the 6050UB still shows the 1,200,000:1 contrast ratio . Will shall see what the release for the 6050 says on Tuesday. Either way the 5050 still gives off a great picture and I look forward to seeing the 6050 in person on Tuesday.
Is the TW9400 actually the 6050UB model instead, it is possible. Also could the voltage difference between Europe (240v) and the US (110v) have any affect on the spec difference?

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I have had the 5050ub installed in my home for a week now. My wife and I absolutely love it. However, I do have one question for all the other owners.
Lens memory!

The lens memory is an awesome feature and was one of the main reasons I purchased it. I also bought a 150" 2.35:1 alr custom screen to pair it with, (for its cinescope capabilities).

My question is... this Epson gets very, very close to the saved lens memory presents. However, it will always miss it either side to side, or up and down. I'm talking, maybe by 1" or less.

I know there was a thread on the 5040ub somewhere where it had the same problem, keeping the memory settings from drifting from the original saved position. Has anyone figured out the formula for saving the memory "slightly off position" so when you load that preset, it will load perfectly each time?

In other words, you'd find the perfect position, then purposely go off-position just a hair, save it to memory, then having the project load it perfectly, compensating for its motor's error.
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I have had the 5050ub installed in my home for a week now. My wife and I absolutely love it. However, I do have one question for all the other owners.

Lens memory!



The lens memory is an awesome feature and was one of the main reasons I purchased it. I also bought a 150" 2.35:1 alr custom screen to pair it with, (for its cinescope capabilities).



My question is... this Epson gets very, very close to the saved lens memory presents. However, it will always miss it either side to side, or up and down. I'm talking, maybe by 1" or less.



I know there was a thread on the 5040ub somewhere where it had the same problem, keeping the memory settings from drifting from the original saved position. Has anyone figured out the formula for saving the memory "slightly off position" so when you load that preset, it will load perfectly each time?



In other words, you'd find the perfect position, then purposely go off-position just a hair, save it to memory, then having the project load it perfectly, compensating for its motor's error.
There's a trick for this, and it is in the set up of the memory. Small back adjustments don't work, so gently go forwards to the point you want and then save the position. If you need to go back, do a very large adjustment and then slowly creep forwards.
It a well known Epson thing!

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Is the TW9400 actually the 6050UB model instead, it is possible.
That is correct. There is no equivalent to the 5040/5050 model in Europe, only to the 6040/6050. The 9300/9400 has anamorphic scaling capability, just like the 6040/6050. The 5040/5050 has not.
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edit - i believe it can only be changed by either the thread creator @scottyroo , or a moderator.
I am not bothered by it. I am bothered that the 6050 hasn't been released yet. I find it ironic that the person bothered by capital letters doesn't realize that using ostentatious in this situation is probably being ostentatious. All said in good fun. No offense meant.
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Is the TW9400 actually the 6050UB model instead, it is possible.
That is correct. There is no equivalent to the 5040/5050 model in Europe, only to the 6040/6050. The 9300/9400 has anamorphic scaling capability, just like the 6040/6050. The 5040/5050 has not.
Thank you for the information. I have no reason to doubt its authenticity. It does bring up more questions for me as to if this is actually the 9400 model that will be branded as the 6050 in the United States why did it take so long for it to come to Market.
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Thanks so much for the two image comparisons which you provided. Both look exceptional for 1080p material.

My blu ray player is an OPPO 203. Will probably be getting the Epson 5050 in the future. Knowing that the 5050 handles standard blu ray exceptionally well is a big plus as I have a large blu ray collection.

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are you using the Oppo to upscale the bluray before sending it to the projector?

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There's a trick for this, and it is in the set up of the memory. Small back adjustments don't work, so gently go forwards to the point you want and then save the position. If you need to go back, do a very large adjustment and then slowly creep forwards.
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So do you intentionally leave your memory settings "short" so when you change between 2.35:1 and 16:9 you still need to tap it forward one or two?

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Thanks so much for the two image comparisons which you provided. Both look exceptional for 1080p material.

My blu ray player is an OPPO 203. Will probably be getting the Epson 5050 in the future. Knowing that the 5050 handles standard blu ray exceptionally well is a big plus as I have a large blu ray collection.

If any forum members have the OPPO 203 / EPSON 5050 combo up and running, would enjoy hearing about the blu ray and, of course, 4k disc images that result.
are you using the Oppo to upscale the bluray before sending it to the projector?
I had the Oppo 203 and then tested out the Panansonic ub820 with my 5050. I found the Panasonic ub820 upscaling of blurays to be superior to the Oppo 203. Same with HDR and 4K. Broader more dynamic and more detailed soundstage with the 820. I sold my Oppo 203 on US Audio Mart for $850. And I loved Oppo having owned the 93,103 and then 203. I allow the Panasonic ub820 to do the upscaling. Best buy has 30 day return period. You should at least do your own comparison.
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I am not bothered by it. I am bothered that the 6050 hasn't been released yet. I find it ironic that the person bothered by capital letters doesn't realize that using ostentatious in this situation is probably being ostentatious. All said in good fun. No offense meant.
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The Pro Cinema 6050UB fully supports 4K HDR at 60 Hz with up to 4:4:4 (uncompressed) chroma subsampling at 8 bits, or 4:2:2 with 10- or 12-bit processing.''
That's disappointing, if true.

P.S.: I've just realized that 4K HDR 60Hz at 12-bit 4:4:4 is above 18Gbps. Until now I was under the impression that the JVC's could do it. Turns out that 4K HDR 60Hz at 12-bit 4:2:2 = 17.82Gbps. Guess I'll have to wait till HDMI 2.1 comes along.

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I am not bothered by it. I am bothered that the 6050 hasn't been released yet. I find it ironic that the person bothered by capital letters doesn't realize that using ostentatious in this situation is probably being ostentatious. All said in good fun. No offense meant.
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...ema-6050UB.htm
Thanks so much for sharing. Epson says I should have mine on Wednesday coming directly from them. Can't wait!!!
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are you using the Oppo to upscale the bluray before sending it to the projector?
Yes, will likely be sending the upscaled bluray image from the OPPO direct to the projector.
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I had the Oppo 203 and then tested out the Panansonic ub820 with my 5050. I found the Panasonic ub820 upscaling of blurays to be superior to the Oppo 203. Same with HDR and 4K. Broader more dynamic and more detailed soundstage with the 820. I sold my Oppo 203 on US Audio Mart for $850. And I loved Oppo having owned the 93,103 and then 203. I allow the Panasonic ub820 to do the upscaling. Best buy has 30 day return period. You should at least do your own comparison.
Thanks for your reply and relating your experience.
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Here’s my take on upscaling and Bluray Player vs Projector. I rate the Sony X700 better than Panasonic 420 with both 1080P and upscaling this 1080P, also rate the Epson better at upscaling than the Panasonic but for 4K UHD discs the Panasonic and it’s HDR optimiser is superior to the Sony.

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