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I was wondering the same thing and actually have a question related to this.

My HDMI splitter works great in HDR with BenQ projectors I am testing, the HT5550 and TK800M. However when I have the Epson 5050 as one of the receiving displays in the split, the output signal is not HDR... it is 8 bit SDR. Anyone with experience here that can help?
Is the rated bandwidth for the TK800M and HT5550 18Gbps? If so are they both operating at 18Gbps when on the splitter? If the Epson throughput is dropping it seems like it is going somewhere just not to the Epson. Is there a drop when the TK800M and the Epson 5050 are the only two on the splitter?

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Is the rated bandwidth for the TK800M and HT5550 18Gbps? If so are they both operating at 18Gbps when on the splitter? If the Epson throughput is dropping it seems like it is going somewhere just not to the Epson. Is there a drop when the TK800M and the Epson 5050 are the only two on the splitter?


I got it sorted. I am using the AVR’s built in dual output. Working like a champ thanks to robs recommendation.

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I used a Canon 6D in these shots. All were shot with 1/5 shutter speed, 4000 ISO, f5.6.

Benq HT5550 on left. Epson 5050 on right.

Epson has better black floor (see letter boxes in HDR) but hopefully you can pick up in the shots that the BenQ has better shadow detail. That is what I am seeing in person at least.

HDR default. Both are in default Modes out of box settings in this picture. Both P3 filters on. Both irises are on. Epson set to Digital Cinema.



SDR Default. BenQ Cinema (Rec709) Mode and Epson Natural Mode. My 1080p SDR version of the film had the IMAX 16:10 ratios baked in. Filters off. Iris on.



Preferred HDR. BenQ set to HDR Brightness +1. That’s it. Epson is using calibrated settings from @Alaric based on Dogital Cinema. Both filters and irises still on.



Preferred SDR. BenQ Cinema (Rec709) mode. Brilliant Color. @Alaric ‘s calibrated SDR mode based on Natural. Filters off. Irises on.


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Any clue which one you are preferring at the moment? (sort of sounds like the ht5550) Im coming from a 5020ub so had my sights set on the 5050 this week but the only thing that has me leary is the half res in comparison to something like the 5550 offering full res, but then Im assuming at the cost of contrast. Grrr choices
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Any clue which one you are preferring at the moment? (sort of sounds like the ht5550) Im coming from a 5020ub so had my sights set on the 5050 this week but the only thing that has me leary is the half res in comparison to something like the 5550 offering full res, but then Im assuming at the cost of contrast. Grrr choices


I feel your pain brother! I wish these two projectors could just have a baby and take the best of both, mash em up, and call it good. I’m still running them through their paces. I like them both a lot. Gaming and sports I give the nod to the Epson due to brightness and input lag . Movies trade blows but right now I’d give edge to BenQ because just how dead simple it is to get the picture I like with auto HDR.

I just posted this on the HT5550 thread. Since you mentioned the resolution difference I’ll post here.
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Does anyone remember what it was like when you got an iPhone 4 back in 2010? At first the “retina” resolution didn’t blow me away. Frankly I was happy with my resolution on my 3GS. Then I used the iPhone 4 for a month and picked up my wife’s 3GS and realized how much of a difference the increased resolution made. Maybe not to that scale but that’s kind of what I’m experiencing with the HT5550 and Epson 5050. I’ve heard for so long that it 1080x2 is no different from 1080x4 and you can’t tell from normal viewing.

Lots to love about the Epson. But I can definitely tell on my 160” screen.

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Is there really a discernible difference at viewing distance that you would attribute to the resolution? Or do you think its what most have said for a while, that up close sure you can see the structure, but at distance there's no real difference
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Is there really a discernible difference at viewing distance that you would attribute to the resolution? Or do you think its what most have said for a while, that up close sure you can see the structure, but at distance there's no real difference


Here’s my take on it. Most people who moved to 5040 or 4000 were coming from 1080p. Even the reviewers who showcase the e-shift show 1080p content on the 5040/5050 and then show the same screenshot with the e-shift on. Bottom line is that it works as far as 1080x2 goes and people are impressed since they are using 1080p as a baseline. And that’s not a bad thing. Those are mostly the people who say “you can’t notice”.

So having had a 1080x4 shifter the last year on my 160” screen I went into the 5050 thinking I wouldn’t notice. YMMV depending on screen size and seating distance but with 160” screen and 16’ seating distance I can notice. It feels like one my 1080x4 unit’s just slightly out of focus. So from my baseline of 1080x4 the last year, yes I can notice.

But you are coming from a 5020 so you will appreciate the 1080x2 regardless. Lol I’ve just gotten used to 8.3M sharp pixels on a big A** screen the last couple years.

That’s not to say the 5050 doesn’t have a lot of other things going for it. But the 1080x2 is probably one of the top things I would want upgraded in the next iteration.
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Here’s my take on it. Most people who moved to 5040 or 4000 were coming from 1080p. Even the reviewers who showcase the e-shift show 1080p content on the 5040/5050 and then show the same screenshot with the e-shift on. Bottom line is that it works as far as 1080x2 goes and people are impressed since they are using 1080p as a baseline. And that’s not a bad thing. Those are mostly the people who say “you can’t notice”.

So having had a 1080x4 shifter the last year on my 160” screen I went into the 5050 thinking I wouldn’t notice. YMMV depending on screen size and seating distance but with 160” screen and 16’ seating distance I can notice. It feels like one my 1080x4 unit’s just slightly out of focus. So from my baseline of 1080x4 the last year, yes I can notice.

But you are coming from a 5020 so you will appreciate the 1080x2 regardless. Lol I’ve just gotten used to 8.3M sharp pixels on a big A** screen the last couple years.

That’s not to say the 5050 doesn’t have a lot of other things going for it. But the 1080x2 is probably one of the top things I would want upgraded in the next iteration.
That's good information. I sit around 10 feet from a 138" scope screen. I'd definitely notice the difference, and a razor sharp image is more important to me than slightly better blacks.
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It is not a mode on the projector. I found that the projector EDID did not properly broadcast that it can do 1080p at 120hz. I think the max the projector broadcasts is 768p at 120hz. HOWEVER if you go into your PC’s gpu control panel you should be able to create a custom 1920x1080 resolution with 120hz refresh rate. Select that resolution after you create it and the projector will kick in. It worked perfectly with my GTX 1070
Can you do the same for these two as well?
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I wish the BenQ had powered zoom, focus and lens shift with memory. In my price range with my CIH setup it makes it difficult to pick anything but the 5050 but would love to try DLP when/if they add this capability.
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I wish the BenQ had powered zoom, focus and lens shift with memory. In my price range with my CIH setup it makes it difficult to pick anything but the 5050 but would love to try DLP when/if they add this capability.
You'll be happier with the 5050UB, it blows away DLP contrast ratio, and has much better brightness uniformity.

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Here’s my take on it. Most people who moved to 5040 or 4000 were coming from 1080p. Even the reviewers who showcase the e-shift show 1080p content on the 5040/5050 and then show the same screenshot with the e-shift on. Bottom line is that it works as far as 1080x2 goes and people are impressed since they are using 1080p as a baseline. And that’s not a bad thing. Those are mostly the people who say “you can’t notice”.

So having had a 1080x4 shifter the last year on my 160” screen I went into the 5050 thinking I wouldn’t notice. YMMV depending on screen size and seating distance but with 160” screen and 16’ seating distance I can notice. It feels like one my 1080x4 unit’s just slightly out of focus. So from my baseline of 1080x4 the last year, yes I can notice.

But you are coming from a 5020 so you will appreciate the 1080x2 regardless. Lol I’ve just gotten used to 8.3M sharp pixels on a big A** screen the last couple years.

That’s not to say the 5050 doesn’t have a lot of other things going for it. But the 1080x2 is probably one of the top things I would want upgraded in the next iteration.
That's good information. I sit around 10 feet from a 138" scope screen. I'd definitely notice the difference, and a razor sharp image is more important to me than slightly better blacks.
The difference in black levels is definitely not slight, the Epson 5050ub will be significantly better than any DLP. Also, it's quite well proven that better contrast makes a bigger difference in image quality than more pixels.

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The Epson pic above looks like it has fringes from the panel alignment being out. Mine was like that, but it was easy enough to do the alignment and get a much sharper result.


If that's already adjusted then fine, but my impression from the image shown is that shifting green down and left a pixel might help.
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The Epson pic above looks like it has fringes from the panel alignment being out. Mine was like that, but it was easy enough to do the alignment and get a much sharper result.


If that's already adjusted then fine, but my impression from the image shown is that shifting green down and left a pixel might help.


I will try that! I noticed the convergence on the Epson as well but couldn’t get it right. Thanks!

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With a twinge of hesitation over the 1080x2 vs 1080x4 pixel shifting and auto-HDR issues, I ordered the 5050 this weekend. My local shop called his rep and they "had them in stock" and should be arriving later this week.

My plan is to just fire up @Alaric 's settings before playing anything. Figure thats a good starting point.

I'm still not sorted on my 4k sources. Chromecast Ultra won't pass a TrueHD audio signal, and a Roku Ultra won't pass one either. So for the short term, I'll be choosing between HDR and Atmos, which F*^#[email protected] sucks. I don't have any movies with a lossy Atmos or DTS:X track. Next choice will be nVidia Shield vs standalone UHD player. Not ready to build a new HTPC until they sort out their 4k/DRM/HDR issues.

Thats going to slow down my upgrade to a 128" 2.35:1 screen. Was hoping to get away with a $50 4k / hi res audio solution rather than $500.

Anyone else make a decision to pull the trigger yet?

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With a twinge of hesitation over the 1080x2 vs 1080x4 pixel shifting and auto-HDR issues, I ordered the 5050 this weekend. My local shop called his rep and they "had them in stock" and should be arriving later this week.

My plan is to just fire up @Alaric 's settings before playing anything. Figure thats a good starting point.

I'm still not sorted on my 4k sources. Chromecast Ultra won't pass a TrueHD audio signal, and a Roku Ultra won't pass one either. So for the short term, I'll be choosing between HDR and Atmos, which F*^#[email protected] sucks. I don't have any movies with a lossy Atmos or DTS:X track. Next choice will be nVidia Shield vs standalone UHD player. Not ready to build a new HTPC until they sort out their 4k/DRM/HDR issues.

Thats going to slow down my upgrade to a 128" 2.35:1 screen. Was hoping to get away with a $50 4k / hi res audio solution rather than $500.

Anyone else make a decision to pull the trigger yet?
I will make your decision very simple for you. Get a Shield TV. Hands down the best all around streamer out there. Atmos, TrueHD, DTS:X, 4K, 4:4:4:.... it does it all. Just get it for $179. Your 4K source input search is over.
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With a twinge of hesitation over the 1080x2 vs 1080x4 pixel shifting and auto-HDR issues, I ordered the 5050 this weekend. My local shop called his rep and they "had them in stock" and should be arriving later this week.



My plan is to just fire up @Alaric 's settings before playing anything. Figure thats a good starting point.



I'm still not sorted on my 4k sources. Chromecast Ultra won't pass a TrueHD audio signal, and a Roku Ultra won't pass one either. So for the short term, I'll be choosing between HDR and Atmos, which F*^#[email protected] sucks. I don't have any movies with a lossy Atmos or DTS:X track. Next choice will be nVidia Shield vs standalone UHD player. Not ready to build a new HTPC until they sort out their 4k/DRM/HDR issues.



Thats going to slow down my upgrade to a 128" 2.35:1 screen. Was hoping to get away with a $50 4k / hi res audio solution rather than $500.



Anyone else make a decision to pull the trigger yet?
I've got a Sheild in my living room. Certainly not Atmos on Netflix, may do via Kodi though... I've got a panasonic 420 in my cinema, which is a mini 820 and about the best cheap option if there's a US equivalent. Small format but same chipset apart from Dolby Vision which is redundant for projectors.
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I've got a Sheild in my living room. Certainly not Atmos on Netflix
I believe that is a Netflix issue though. I also rarely watch netflix. Big thing for me is that the Shield TV is the only Plex client that can to full on bitstream Atmos/TrueHD. I am mostly using my Shield TV with Plex and Vudu for my 'Movies Anywhere' library. Sony UBP-X700 for discs and more critical viewing.

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I feel your pain brother! I wish these two projectors could just have a baby and take the best of both, mash em up, and call it good. I’m still running them through their paces. I like them both a lot. Gaming and sports I give the nod to the Epson due to brightness and input lag . Movies trade blows but right now I’d give edge to BenQ because just how dead simple it is to get the picture I like with auto HDR.

I just posted this on the HT5550 thread. Since you mentioned the resolution difference I’ll post here.
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Does anyone remember what it was like when you got an iPhone 4 back in 2010? At first the “retina” resolution didn’t blow me away. Frankly I was happy with my resolution on my 3GS. Then I used the iPhone 4 for a month and picked up my wife’s 3GS and realized how much of a difference the increased resolution made. Maybe not to that scale but that’s kind of what I’m experiencing with the HT5550 and Epson 5050. I’ve heard for so long that it 1080x2 is no different from 1080x4 and you can’t tell from normal viewing.

Lots to love about the Epson. But I can definitely tell on my 160” screen.

Ht5550

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Pro review embargos are lifted. Expect the floodgates to open as more post today. I know Art at projectorreviews.com will be posting soon.

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I used a Canon 6D in these shots. All were shot with 1/5 shutter speed, 4000 ISO, f5.6.

Benq HT5550 on left. Epson 5050 on right.

Epson has better black floor (see letter boxes in HDR) but hopefully you can pick up in the shots that the BenQ has better shadow detail. That is what I am seeing in person at least.

HDR default. Both are in default Modes out of box settings in this picture. Both P3 filters on. Both irises are on. Epson set to Digital Cinema.



SDR Default. BenQ Cinema (Rec709) Mode and Epson Natural Mode. My 1080p SDR version of the film had the IMAX 16:10 ratios baked in. Filters off. Iris on.



Preferred HDR. BenQ set to HDR Brightness +1. That’s it. Epson is using calibrated settings from @Alaric based on Dogital Cinema. Both filters and irises still on.



Preferred SDR. BenQ Cinema (Rec709) mode. Brilliant Color. @Alaric ‘s calibrated SDR mode based on Natural. Filters off. Irises on.

Quite a noticeable difference in both colours and black levels, the BenQ might be sharper but I think I would forgo this for the other elements of the image that are superior on the Epson. One thing you will find on the Epson is adjusting the HDR slider gives the shadow detail you aren't noticing.


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I will make your decision very simple for you. Get a Shield TV. Hands down the best all around streamer out there. Atmos, TrueHD, DTS:X, 4K, 4:4:4:.... it does it all. Just get it for $179. Your 4K source input search is over.
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The difference in black levels is definitely not slight, the Epson 5050ub will be significantly better than any DLP. Also, it's quite well proven that better contrast makes a bigger difference in image quality than more pixels.
Again, that's other people's opinion, and I wonder what size screen they are viewing it on? I'm sitting at the THX recommended distance, which is quite close. There are other factors that are important to me as well. Sure the Epson may have better blacks, but to the detriment of losing shadow detail. Also important to me is smoothness of motion which seems to be better on the BenQ. I'll admit it's a tough decision and I would really like to see them in person to make a final judgement, but these forums are a great resource and are super helpful for those who can't actually get their hands on both.

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Again, that's other people's opinion, and I wonder what size screen they are viewing it on? I'm sitting at the THX recommended distance, which is quite close. There are other factors that are important to me as well. Sure the Epson may have better blacks, but to the detriment of losing shadow detail. Also important to me is smoothness of motion which seems to be better on the BenQ. I'll admit it's a tough decision and I would really like to see them in person to make a final judgement, but these forums are a great resource and are super helpful for those who can't actually get their hands on both.


Yeah I agree with this here. Objective data points like resolution and contrast will have people considering those two projectors I compared for different reasons. What IS SUBJECTIVE is what a person prefers to have in their projector... better resolution, better auto tone mapping, great color, ok contrast? Or better contrast, better brightness, great color, ok resolution?

I know it’s not as simple as that but the point I make is that we live in a great time where the projector market is still competitive when a lot of people thought they were going away. Let the competition thrive!

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I've got a Sheild in my living room. Certainly not Atmos on Netflix, may do via Kodi though... I've got a panasonic 420 in my cinema, which is a mini 820 and about the best cheap option if there's a US equivalent. Small format but same chipset apart from Dolby Vision which is redundant for projectors.
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I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into my own digital therapy session, but thats pretty much what it comes down to. Shield vs Panny player. It would be nice to be able to spin a disc, but I mostly just rip them to my network, so making that work would be ideal.

And there's no Panny 420 in the US. So I was leaning towards the 820. In for a dime, in for a dollar, I guess.

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The difference in black levels is definitely not slight, the Epson 5050ub will be significantly better than any DLP. Also, it's quite well proven that better contrast makes a bigger difference in image quality than more pixels.
Again, that's other people's opinion, and I wonder what size screen they are viewing it on? I'm sitting at the THX recommended distance, which is quite close. There are other factors that are important to me as well. Sure the Epson may have better blacks, but to the detriment of losing shadow detail. Also important to me is smoothness of motion which seems to be better on the BenQ. I'll admit it's a tough decision and I would really like to see them in person to make a final judgement, but these forums are a great resource and are super helpful for those who can't actually get their hands on both.
Better blacks does not mean lower shadow detail, not sure where you're getting that idea. It means BETTER shadow detail. And it's really not opinion, the things I stated are based in fact.

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Better blacks does not mean lower shadow detail, not sure where you're getting that idea. It means BETTER shadow detail. And it's really not opinion, the things I stated are based in fact.
You have made a few broad-stroke comments while speaking in 'absolute' subjective terms...

Shadow detail is not a mutually exclusive benefit of 'better blacks'. I don't mean to be confrontational here but that is just false. That's not to say that a projector with good black levels can't do good shadow detail. However, shadow detail is achieved by proper grayscale, gradation, and tone mapping relative to the rest of the image that is being displayed. In fact, it is well documented that some projectors that have proven "good blacks" crush shadow detail with the tradeoff of those impressive blacks.

Not trying to debate here so I won't.

The good news is that the Epson 5050UB does a good job in both blacks and shadow detail; something I'm sure you'll be be happy to agree with without having seen the projector yet.
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I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into my own digital therapy session, but thats pretty much what it comes down to. Shield vs Panny player. It would be nice to be able to spin a disc, but I mostly just rip them to my network, so making that work would be ideal.

And there's no Panny 420 in the US. So I was leaning towards the 820. In for a dime, in for a dollar, I guess.
You'll find the Shield TV supports more A/V file formats than any dedicated UHD disc player's streaming features. However, the Panny 820 does have the highly desirable tone mapping which benefits projectors trying to play HDR content.
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Long before pixel shifters, DLP was always considered to be sharper than 3LCD due to the single DLP chip vs. 3 separate LCD panels that can never be in perfect alignment. Those who prioritize sharpness over other factors have always favored DLP. So that would be a factor in considering the difference in sharpness between 4x DLP and 2x 3LCD pixels shifters.
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Does the BenQ have noticeable rainbow effect? Do you have to take extraordinary measures to see it, if at all?
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