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post #1141 of 2399 Old 05-19-2019, 08:17 AM
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Your points are certainly valid. And there’s no doubt the improvements found in the 5050 are desirable. I think most of us would elect to upgrade from the 5040 to the 5050 given a favorable financial scenario. And I’m in agreement...each of us must make the decision based on our own first hand viewing experience and set of circumstances.
I couldn't agree more most of these so call upgrades to projectors no matter which brand seem to be more marginal upgrade at best these days and more of financial choice first.
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Possibly the 5050 for $2799...other than that, it appears to be a marketing effort to drum up new business for their consulting and HT bundles/packages.
Looks like they've removed the 5040 from their website which was on sale a few weeks ago. Still, the $200 off the 5050 is a great deal.
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At a fork in the road.

Have decided to move on from my 5040, but can't decide between the 5050 and the JVC RS540/X790R.

There are pros and cons to both.

My theater is in the basement and is essentially dark all the time, so for that reason I am leaning towards the RS540.

However, the HDR tone mapping on the 5050ub is intriguing. I wonder if I would be losing out on anything if I decide to pair the 540 with the Panasonic UB820 for example.

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I couldn't agree more most of these so call upgrades to projectors no matter which brand seem to be more marginal upgrade at best these days and more of financial choice first.
Thank you and whole of those who shared their view on the 5040 vs 5050.
I must say I was expecting a much clearer preference for the 5050. Just reading the reviews it seems that the 5050 is sharper with the new 4k shift engine (I'm seating about 7ft from a 100' screen). Brighter with both the new 4k shift engine (which some reviewers say makes the picture brighter by being faster?) and the bit of extra lumens. But mostly I was expecting the new tone mapping feature to make a substantial difference viewing HDR material. I read many 5040 owners got the external Panasonic player just for the tone mapping so I was expecting this to be significant.
But it seems the consensus is that all of these just have a marginal effect.
I have to say that as watching mostly streaming content the lack of 18Gbs on the 5040 was a real pain and a bit of a let down. Netflix for example only plays 4k/HDR with 60fps. I now got the Apple TV 4k which kind of mitigates most of the pain though I'm not sure I get the highest quality with all the streaming services. To be honest I was looking for an excuse to upgrade but I'm now thinking on waiting for another year or two for a reasonable true 4K version.

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Looks like they've removed the 5040 from their website which was on sale a few weeks ago. Still, the $200 off the 5050 is a great deal.
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I couldn't agree more most of these so call upgrades to projectors no matter which brand seem to be more marginal upgrade at best these days and more of financial choice first.
Thank you and whole of those who shared their view on the 5040 vs 5050.
I must say I was expecting a much clearer preference for the 5050. Just reading the reviews it seems that the 5050 is sharper with the new 4k shift engine (I'm seating about 7ft from a 100' screen). Brighter with both the new 4k shift engine (which some reviewers say makes the picture brighter by being faster?) and the bit of extra lumens. But mostly I was expecting the new tone mapping feature to make a substantial difference viewing HDR material. I read many 5040 owners got the external Panasonic player just for the tone mapping so I was expecting this to be significant.
But it seems the consensus is that all of these just have a marginal effect.
I have to say that as watching mostly streaming content the lack of 18Gbs on the 5040 was a real pain and a bit of a let down. Netflix for example only plays 4k/HDR with 60fps. I now got the Apple TV 4k which kind of mitigates most of the pain though I'm not sure I get the highest quality with all the streaming services. To be honest I was looking for an excuse to upgrade but I'm now thinking on waiting for another year or two for a reasonable true 4K version.

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Keep in mind that many of the people who say they don't think the 5050 is worth the upgrade are people who haven't even seen the 5050 in person and are only basing their opinion on reading the specs and comparing to the 5040. I could give the same ingredients to two different people to bake a cake and one would rise and taste great and the other one wouldn't even rise. Same ingredients. All about how you put the parts together. Then you have the room you are watching in as a huge variable. Try the 5050 for yourself. Just watch out for any restocking fees. I don't think you will return it.
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I do believe the 5050/6050 offers a superior viewing experience to the 5040 in HDR/SDR IMHO.
There may be a difference when watching with the default settings, but when calibrated there is no difference between the 5040 and 5050 in SDR. They measure exactly the same. The HDR slider makes a difference when watching HDR in Digital Cinema mode. If you are using any other mode then you are not using the filter and have no light loss. HDR without the filter is plenty bright on both models.

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At a fork in the road.

Have decided to move on from my 5040, but can't decide between the 5050 and the JVC RS540/X790R.

There are pros and cons to both.

My theater is in the basement and is essentially dark all the time, so for that reason I am leaning towards the RS540.

However, the HDR tone mapping on the 5050ub is intriguing. I wonder if I would be losing out on anything if I decide to pair the 540 with the Panasonic UB820 for example.

My viewing is 60% movies, 25% Sports on Cable, and 15% Video Games (PS4 Pro and Xbox One X)
By all accounts the JVC has superior black levels so if dark SciFi movies and the like are your thing then maybe the JVC is the way to go. Beyond this I think the Epson has it beat.

But by all means try and get a demo of both and make your decision then.

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There may be a difference when watching with the default settings, but when calibrated there is no difference between the 5040 and 5050 in SDR. They measure exactly the same. The HDR slider makes a difference when watching HDR in Digital Cinema mode. If you are using any other mode then you are not using the filter and have no light loss. HDR without the filter is plenty bright on both models.
This is wrong, there are two modes that use the filter (Cinema and Digital Cinema) the guy that calibrated mine used Cinema to set mine up on.

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This is wrong, there are two modes that use the filter (Cinema and Digital Cinema) the guy that calibrated mine used Cinema to set mine up on.
Yes, I should have mentioned Cinema, but Digital Cinema is the recommended mode for HDR.

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I do believe the 5050/6050 offers a superior viewing experience to the 5040 in HDR/SDR IMHO.
There may be a difference when watching with the default settings, but when calibrated there is no difference between the 5040 and 5050 in SDR. They measure exactly the same. The HDR slider makes a difference when watching HDR in Digital Cinema mode. If you are using any other mode then you are not using the filter and have no light loss. HDR without the filter is plenty bright on both models.
Good day to you dimi123. You know we disagree. You are a specs guy. Which I do appreciate. But the 5050 has 2nd generation pixel shifter which many owners of the 5050 and 5040, myself included, perceive a sharper more detailed image in both HDR/SDR content. For HDR the 5050 also has 2nd generation HDR processing. Have you had a chance to view the 5050 yet?
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I had problems getting my Xbox One S to output a 4K signal. I got all the checkboxes that it was recognizing the epson as a 4K display but when I selected 4K as the output, I'd get the black screen and after about 30 secs. it would revert back to 1080p and the picture would return. I messed around with several settings on the projector and the xbox to no avail. I dug into the menu on my AVR and there was a setting to upscale 1080p to 4K...once I enabled that, I was able to go in the xbox settings and select 4K and the projector reported it was displaying a 4K signal. Now that that was established, I disabled the AVR setting again, and the projector is still reporting that it's receiving a 4K signal, whereas before it wasn't...so not sure what happened.

I was getting the black screen also in one of the enhanced modes in the projector settings. I can't remember which one it was that gave me the screen but try changing it from whatever it is now. There's only the 2 options - Normal or Enhanced
Are you getting all checkmarks for 4K HDR on the Xbox One X screen? I would love to hear a confirmation or see a screenshot of the Xbox One X settings screen.
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Yes, I should have mentioned Cinema, but Digital Cinema is the recommended mode for HDR.
I believe out of the box Digital Cinema is closer to BT2020 so is the recommended setting but once calibrated either is as good as each other.
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Good day to you dimi123. You know we disagree. You are a specs guy. Which I do appreciate. But the 5050 has 2nd generation pixel shifter which many owners of the 5050 and 5040, myself included, perceive a sharper more detailed image in both HDR/SDR content. For HDR the 5050 also has 2nd generation HDR processing. Have you had a chance to view the 5050 yet?
Good day to you too, skylarlove.
I'm still waiting on a friend to bring his 9400 over in order to compare it to my 9300. Sharpness and detail may very well be improved, but the consensus on this forum is that you should not let the Epson upscale. You'll get a much sharper picture with much less video noise if you let your blu-ray player or streaming device upscale and feed the Epson a 4K signal. The Epson has more pixels to work with that way for a much cleaner and detailed picture. At least with the 9300/6040.

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Good day to you too, skylarlove.
I'm still waiting on a friend to bring his 9400 over in order to compare it to my 9300. Sharpness and detail may very well be improved, but the consensus on this forum is that you should not let the Epson upscale. You'll get a much sharper picture with much less video noise if you let your blu-ray player or streaming device upscale and feed the Epson a 4K signal. The Epson has more pixels to work with that way for a much cleaner and detailed picture. At least with the 9300/6040.
I completely disagree that letting the BR player or AVR do the upscaling is better than letting the Epson do it.
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I completely disagree that letting the BR player or AVR do the upscaling is better than letting the Epson do it.
I'm still trying to figure this out myself on my 5050.. Have my OPPO 203 to do the upscaling or not as OPPO itself is highly regarded.
Is the rationale here is to leave all processing into Epson so that it can do a better overall job for the best end results?

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By the way it appears Epson 5050ub priced dropped $200 everywhere today! This is now a steal of a projector imho.

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Has anyone else run into an issue where the 5050ub randomly shuts off with blinking status and lamp lights ("internal projector error" according to the manual)? I had it happen once when watching a movie. The lamp turned off and after pressing Menu on the remote, the fans ramped up to full speed and the LEDs began blinking. Unplugging the projector and plugging it back in seems to have resolved the issue.

I'm still within Best Buy's return period, so I feel like I should, at the very least, get a replacement.
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Has anyone else run into an issue where the 5050ub randomly shuts off with blinking status and lamp lights ("internal projector error" according to the manual)? I had it happen once when watching a movie. The lamp turned off and after pressing Menu on the remote, the fans ramped up to full speed and the LEDs began blinking. Unplugging the projector and plugging it back in seems to have resolved the issue.



I'm still within Best Buy's return period, so I feel like I should, at the very least, get a replacement.


Did you buy an extended warranty through them ? If not I think you would be going through Epson directly if I’m not mistaken


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Has anyone else run into an issue where the 5050ub randomly shuts off with blinking status and lamp lights ("internal projector error" according to the manual)? I had it happen once when watching a movie. The lamp turned off and after pressing Menu on the remote, the fans ramped up to full speed and the LEDs began blinking. Unplugging the projector and plugging it back in seems to have resolved the issue.



I'm still within Best Buy's return period, so I feel like I should, at the very least, get a replacement.


Did you buy an extended warranty through them ? If not I think you would be going through Epson directly if I’m not mistaken


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Then the first 30 days you can definitely return it directly to Best Buy and I would definitely do that great projector but I would not want to deal with that issue on the ongoing basis. I unfortunately had to 5040 s with power supply issues. Epson was great about taking care of me which is the reason why I now have a Epson 6050 that I didn't pay a dime for but I got as a replacement for my 5040.
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Has anyone else run into an issue where the 5050ub randomly shuts off with blinking status and lamp lights ("internal projector error" according to the manual)? I had it happen once when watching a movie. The lamp turned off and after pressing Menu on the remote, the fans ramped up to full speed and the LEDs began blinking. Unplugging the projector and plugging it back in seems to have resolved the issue.

I'm still within Best Buy's return period, so I feel like I should, at the very least, get a replacement.
Get on the ball ASAP, a few have done this including mine. What ever the issue was it appeared to be very minor as it was collected and returned within 3 days in total.

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At a fork in the road.

Have decided to move on from my 5040, but can't decide between the 5050 and the JVC RS540/X790R.

There are pros and cons to both.

My theater is in the basement and is essentially dark all the time, so for that reason I am leaning towards the RS540.

However, the HDR tone mapping on the 5050ub is intriguing. I wonder if I would be losing out on anything if I decide to pair the 540 with the Panasonic UB820 for example.

My viewing is 60% movies, 25% Sports on Cable, and 15% Video Games (PS4 Pro and Xbox One X)

Pairing the RS540 with UB820 is a combo that's no contest & keeping it in completely dark room you getting the all the contrast. Based on your environment which is bat cave picking the RS540 is no brainier.

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I completely disagree that letting the BR player or AVR do the upscaling is better than letting the Epson do it.
Here are two pictures taken with a Samsung Note 9 phone. The source signal is coming from my HTPC. The first one is at 1080p resolution and activated 4K enhancement on the Epson 9300, the second one is at 2160p resolution with greyed out 4K enhancement. The difference is small but obvious. Maybe someone could try it on the 5050/9400.
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Here are two pictures taken with a Samsung Note 9 phone. The source signal is coming from my HTPC. The first one is at 1080p resolution and activated 4K enhancement on the Epson 9300, the second one is at 2160p resolution with greyed out 4K enhancement. The difference is small but obvious. Maybe someone could try it on the 5050/9400.
Interesting, but your original point was that the second generation pixel shifter on the 5050 wouldn't be an advantage because you're doing the scaling on your Blu-ray player. Not sure that's an accurate statement as the projector is still using pixel shifting to reproduce the 4K image from your Blu-ray player on its 1080p panel.
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Here are two pictures taken with a Samsung Note 9 phone. The source signal is coming from my HTPC. The first one is at 1080p resolution and activated 4K enhancement on the Epson 9300, the second one is at 2160p resolution with greyed out 4K enhancement. The difference is small but obvious. Maybe someone could try it on the 5050/9400.
I’ve compared it on my 9400 and in my opinion the opposite is true when I let the BR player do the upscaling. Maybe your PC is better than my Panasonic with regards to upscaling?

Don’t recall if I posted this comparison between BR player doing the upscaling versus Epson doing it but here’s Gandalf from The Hobbit Series. First image is the Panasonic doing the upscaling and the second in my Sony Player sending the signal 1080P.





I’m currently on hols so can’t do you a direct comparison of the same shot but will do when back home again.

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I got my new AT Elite screen 115” 2:35:1 and it’s awesome. No more black bars it’s such a big upgrade. I am blown away. I now must use high lamp mode for HDR when I was able to do ECO prior. I have the projector on it’s box on an end table for the interim I will be moving my mount later this week. I have some Light spillage on the right and left side by two inches or so.

Per projector central I should have the lens 16 2” away from the screen to have the scope screen perfectly filled? If that could be confirmed that would be nice

Otherwise part of me is a little sad that on the few changing aspect ratio films I will be missing out, I guess I should get over that.

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Interesting, but your original point was that the second generation pixel shifter on the 5050 wouldn't be an advantage because you're doing the scaling on your Blu-ray player. Not sure that's an accurate statement as the projector is still using pixel shifting to reproduce the 4K image from your Blu-ray player on its 1080p panel.
Maybe I should have phrased it differently. The Epson does not "upscale". It takes a 1080p signal and pixel shifts it, but when receiving a 2160p signal it down-scales it first to 1080p before pixel shifting. The difference comes from the down-scaling as the Epson /or JVC/ is processing more pixels.

P.S.: The quality of the up-scaling device probably plays a big role too.

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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post50711409

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I’ve compared it on my 9400 and in my opinion the opposite is true when I let the BR player do the upscaling. Maybe your PC is better than my Panasonic with regards to upscaling?

Don’t recall if I posted this comparison between BR player doing the upscaling versus Epson doing it but here’s Gandalf from The Hobbit Series. First image is the Panasonic doing the upscaling and the second in my Sony Player sending the signal 1080P
Yes, but you are comparing two different blu-ray players /with different resolution and shots/ with one another.

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Maybe I should have phrased it differently. The Epson does not "upscale". It takes a 1080p signal and pixel shifts it, but when receiving a 2160p signal it down-scales it first to 1080p before pixel shifting. The difference comes from the down-scaling as the Epson /or JVC/ is processing more pixels.

P.S.: The quality of the up-scaling device probably plays a big role too.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...k-sources.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post50711409

The original argument was about whether or not it would be better for the projector or the blu-ray player to upscale a 1080p image. Per your logic, I would think it would be better for the projector to process the 1080p signal once vs having the blueray player process the 1080p signal to 2160p, and then have the Epson down-scale it to 1080p only to pixel shift it back up to 2160p. Less processing should produces a cleaner image I would think.

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Yes, but you are comparing two different blu-ray players /with different resolution and shots/ with one another.
So are you, though. Your screen shots were of a PC sending a 1080p vs a PC sending a 2160p signal, correct? Those are different resolutions. Of course the 2060p example will look better. There is more info for the projector to use to recreate a 4k image.

For a fair comparison, we need a 1080p source that is scaled via the blu-ray player vs being scaled by the projector. Luminated's example was more accurate than yours in that, although he was using two different players, they were both sending a 1080p image.
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Luminated's example was more accurate than yours in that, although he was using two different players, they were both sending a 1080p image.
Two different 1080p images with different player settings, video processing and output resolution. The video noise is best seen with text. I doubt that you would see it during a movie. My observations are based on the 9300 only.

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